Tom Herman Fired as UT Football Coach

The optimistic take:  Sark has been an offensive mind at the controls of two of the great offenses in the last 20 years (USC under Carroll and Bama last couple years).  He has learned to adapt to the evolution of the game, which means he isn't locked in on one "infallible" system that he will keep running into a brick wall.  This is an offensive game now, and in Texas he can get 5 star skill position players to run it, we can outscore most teams we play with superior athletes and a scheme that maximizes their talents.  It may look a lot like OU under Riley, and we should win our share of RRS's and Big 12 titles, maybe get in the CFP once every few years.  It's not Urban, but it can be a definite improvement over what we've had, which will put us back to being a perennial top-10 team.

The pessimistic take:  Pretty obvious, keep him off 6th Street.  

This is where I am. And optimism is more fun personally. 

Hey! I see me in this picture! Still wish I never saw this fucking thread.

57 minutes ago, satyanash said:

oh my fucking God

what a surprising yet utterly predictable disaster.

Perfectly onbrand

Donors are not shelling out 25 million to replace Tom with a failed alcoholic head coach. And if they did, they would not be announcing it right before the new head coach has to coach in the NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP. 

just FYI.  our 8th ranked men's BB team is up by 6 at 3rd ranked Kansas.

Give me willie fritz over sark

Where is all this Sarkisian was being groomed as Saban’s replacement talk coming from?  

Sark? So we know know Spec's has the most influence over our program. 

Lol at all the people talking about Sark and alcohol while also consuming 2 handles watching the Texas Kansas game. 

1 minute ago, troph said:

and moreso than Sark. you're proving my point. Herman was successful by any metric you want to use (your words not mine) and he failed. Sark is questionable at best.  near 500 record.  odds are unless something miraculous happened under Saban he's not the guy we need.  I've already stated I'll be cautiously optimistic and hope he works out.  no doubt he was not our first choice and once again, Texas has to settle for a hire after the guy we wanted (and maybe the second and third guy we wanted) said no.  pathetic.

This is not correct. Taking a P5 program that was 0-12 and in absolute disarray and taking them to 9-4 is better than Herman did at Houston. I'm not happy about a Sarkisian hire but there is a lot of (predictable) overreaction on the board right now.

6 minutes ago, Hiphopopotamos said:

He didn't 'fail' in ATL - he just wasn't as good as his predecessor K. Shanahan.

I'd say, considering where UW was when he was hired, he was successful there.

Definitely flamed out at USC - though going 9-4 when you were completely blitzed most of the time is impressive in its own sort of way.

If you want to play devil’s advocate (and I’m certainly not) you could make the argument that Quinn’s defensive mindset brought down Shanahan’s offensive numbers post Super Bowl year as much as Sark’s hire as OC.  Shanahan’s resurrection of the post-Harbaugh dumpster fire in SF, however, sure shifts the narrative to Atlanta’s explosive Super Bowl year being all about Shanahan though. As for Bama, the factory was already built.  Hard to put a lot of stock in any skins Sark put on the wall there.  Expecting the worst, but hoping for the best here.

2 minutes ago, Js1 said:

48-14 with a conf championship, played for 3 total and 2 CFP trips with likely 4 straight top 10 finishes?

This is why Texas fans have unrealistic expectations of that’s considered “Jack crap”

fair enough.  but he also took over uga in much better shape and a lot closer to the top than Texas is.

51 minutes ago, gmr548 said:

Herman is a better coach than Sark but letting him stay was untenable at this point. Better be 100 percent funded by donor money because otherwise the price tag isn’t worth it.

Well be back here in 3-4 years. Hopefully there’s some better utilization of offensive talent.

I said exactly the same thing when we hired herman.  Prepare to be negged.

 

1 minute ago, TXSG8R said:

Where is all this Sarkisian was being groomed as Saban’s replacement talk coming from?  

Alabama.

I’m coming around on it. It seems like high risk high reward, but if he brings the recruits, it may work. 

8 minutes ago, Vertigo said:

Dont forget sark had a hand in the Texas recruiting invasion this year. Brocks, Milroe, etc etc etc

Herman did more to send those guys to Bama than Sark.  Herman may win the reverse recruiting championship this year. 

8 minutes ago, GreenspointTexas said:

We are no longer a blue blood.

 

And now CDC just shortened his time at Texas by a decade

Ballgame?

Dude must give blow jobs in his interviews or something as he’s done nothing to justify his fall upward. Holy Hell, CDC, I thought we were leaving 2020 behind us? This is at best an even swap, but I think it’ll be harder to get rid of Sark after dark than Herman (who was very disliked). Sark’s actually not a thin-skinned prick. Sets UT back another 8 years.

I am Jack's inability to cope 

4 minutes ago, Vic Mackey said:

Texas is absolutely the Dallas Cowboys of college football right now. They are practically the same team if you watch them back to back days during the season.

Yep. And I call this the portal of hell 

Donors are not shelling out 25 million to replace Tom with a failed alcoholic head coach. And if they did, they would not be announcing it right before the new head coach has to coach in the NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP. 

Large anonymous donation came in very early this morning.

1 minute ago, TXSG8R said:

Where is all this Sarkisian was being groomed as Saban’s replacement talk coming from?  

Because winning with a team full of 5 star athletes is so fucking hard.

There better be a for cause in his contract for showing up to football events drunk or with alcohol on his breath.

 

2 minutes ago, GreenspointTexas said:

Give me willie fritz over sark

I like Willie Fritz a lot, but Sark will be much more entertaining for us non UT fans. The real winner is Surly clicks.

Maybe Thujone and the mods, can make us a status chart for us next season.  I think we're all about to join a 12-step program.

 

2 minutes ago, Duane Moore said:

The optimistic take:  Sark has been an offensive mind at the controls of two of the great offenses in the last 20 years (USC under Carroll and Bama last couple years).  He has learned to adapt to the evolution of the game, which means he isn't locked in on one "infallible" system that he will keep running into a brick wall.  This is an offensive game now, and in Texas he can get 5 star skill position players to run it, we can outscore most teams we play with superior athletes and a scheme that maximizes their talents.  It may look a lot like OU under Riley, and we should win our share of RRS's and Big 12 titles, maybe get in the CFP once every few years.  It's not Urban, but it can be a definite improvement over what we've had, which will put us back to being a perennial top-10 team.

The pessimistic take:  Pretty obvious, keep him off 6th Street.  

So we need to pray for COVID20 and COVID21 and COVID22?

4 minutes ago, Duane Moore said:

This is an offensive game now, and in Texas he can get 5 star skill position players to run it,

he can?

2 minutes ago, chemHORN said:

Lol at all the people talking about Sark and alcohol while also consuming 2 handles watching the Texas Kansas game. 

Doing it while watching as a fan on your couch is not even close to the same as having it get in the way of your career in coaching. 

I'll be honest.  I didn't see this happening.

3 minutes ago, Jive Turkey said:

just FYI.  our 8th ranked men's BB team is up by 6 at 3rd ranked Kansas.

Not now.. we are wallowing. 

Maybe CDC should also fire Shaka and replace him with Larry Eustachy. All part of the master plan so we can be “that school”. We need an identity anyways. 

5 minutes ago, troph said:

and moreso than Sark. you're proving my point. Herman was successful by any metric you want to use (your words not mine) and he failed. Sark is questionable at best.  near 500 record.  odds are unless something miraculous happened under Saban he's not the guy we need.  I've already stated I'll be cautiously optimistic and hope he works out.  no doubt he was not our first choice and once again, Texas has to settle for a hire after the guy we wanted (and maybe the second and third guy we wanted) said no.  pathetic.

I’m not proving your point. You have not made a cogent argument at all other than you are unhappy. In fact, you have invented facts that do not exist out of frustration. 

3 minutes ago, Jive Turkey said:

just FYI.  our 8th ranked men's BB team is up by 6 at 3rd ranked Kansas.

It's Shaka vs. Kansas at the Phog. You and I both know what the outcome of that game will be, lol.

 

this is the feeling when an NFL fan base feels after hiring a special teams coach, or when the Jets hired Adam Gase

4 minutes ago, runthebone said:

If they threw money at Meyer and Kelly and were told no, then I'm OK with Sarkisian.

CDC wasn't hired to throw money at people. He was hired to close on an elite Football Coach like Meyer. 

 

CDC failed, and failed huge. We are a national embarrassment. 

13 minutes ago, bullet said:

Alabama has more talent and more depth than anyone in the country.  Only Clemson, Ohio St. and Georgia are even close.

I don’t disagree with that.  But I think my points are still valid

3 minutes ago, TXSG8R said:

Where is all this Sarkisian was being groomed as Saban’s replacement talk coming from?  

Same dudes that knew Urban was coming to Texas

 

4 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Sark has 6.5 seasons as a HC.  At both UW and SC, the programs were in tatters when he took over.

He's far more experienced, and with better experience, that Tom Herman, both as a head coach and an OC.

Not to mention Tom's only other 'big time' experience was the 3 years he spent as the OC at Ohio St running Urban Meyers offense.

Sark has been an OC at USC, in the NFL as a QB coach with the Raiders and OC at Atlanta, and twice been an OC under Saban at Alabama.

Their resumes are worlds apart.

44 minutes ago, AUS-97HORN said:

I am stunned. I am pissed.  Its fucking Sarkisian....     how soon do we get drunk......

 

fuck me.  I wanted Herman gone as well, but this is NOT a good replacement.    this is a fucking SEC style replacement. Which isnt going to fucking help at all. 

He is good at offense.  Hasn’t been a good HC yet though.

10 minutes ago, HtownHorn said:

He can do it all, Bama runs pro, spread, power, zone. Every time Jones threw a pass it seemed their guys were wide open. For the most part Harris had huge holes to run through.

Landing 10 5-star recruits every year for a decade probably helped 

Washington was a historically solid program that bottomed out after a legendarily bad hire in Tyrone Willingham. Sark ended up rebuilding the program to where they were at least a bowl team. He was also 7-19 vs ranked teams there and lost those games by an average of 23 points per game.

And that's the nicest thing you can say about his head coaching resume.

I wouldn't like a Sarkisian hire but he hasn't fallen upward. He lost his head coaching gig, went back to assisting, and actually turned Alabama into an offensive juggernaut (being the first offensive guy to convince Saban he needed to open it up)*.
He's done very very well as an offensive assistant in his second go at that. Doesn't mean I want him hired as Texas head coach but failing up doesn't apply.
* - not true, had my timeline wrong, but the point stands

Alabama would be an offensive juggernaut even if they didn’t have an OC and just went out and fucked around.

1 minute ago, Huckleberry said:

This is not correct. Taking a P5 program that was 0-12 and in absolute disarray and taking them to 9-4 is better than Herman did at Houston. I'm not happy about a Sarkisian hire but there is a lot of (predictable) overreaction on the board right now.

anytime you have to explain how a coach was successful, you're arguably pointing out that he wasn't.  We've done this a thousand times.  If he can do that at Texas Tech, think what he can do here, and he's a Letterman too that played under DKR, championships here we come.  He has NFL experience and is an offensive mastermind, if he can do that at Illinois, imagine what he can do here.  I'll give Mack a pass.  He coached under Meyer and has a national championship at Florida under his belt, he's coached Teddy Bridgewater at Louisville and with that one stellar season there imagine what he'll do here.  He's a giant beater at UofH, coached under Meyer at tOSU, imagine what he can do at Texas.

I'm just unwilling to engage in this unbridled optimisim Texas anymore.

Sark may be different, I pray to God for all of us he is.

Sarkisian is an offensive genius.  Just look at how much he has accomplished with Alabama's bare-cupboard roster.  Not even three Heisman finalists on that two-deep.  Fewer 5 stars than stars in the sky.

Props to @immamac - IT crashed about 20 minutes ago and hasn't been up since.  Way to keep this place moving.