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  • Enough bitching, enough sitting on the sidelines, CDC isn't doing fucking dick but we can! Introducing Surly Horns Burnt Ends NIL Program. This is how we make a difference, if we can get enough interest and hit the numbers that we forecasted, that is a huge step towards getting at least one position group taken care of (possibly two pending interest and people actually putting their money where their mouths are) with the hopes that others will follow with other less appreciated position groups. Bijan, Card, even guys like Jamison and Overshown won't have issues getting paid when the NIL is fully rolled out (hopefully fucking soon, looking at you @closetojumping)or when CDC gets his head pulled out of his ass (Doubtful, fucking moron).

    Next Steps, I gauge interest through this article and see what the financials actually look like (You won't be charged dick till this shit actually gets rolled out), we get a liaison in the TE room to help facilitate scheduling, we get this bitch through compliance (Don't think this should be an issue but....), then we start to roll it out to the TEs! All the profit is going directly to the TEs, and the website will be handling the money (No Ketch bullshit). We will mail everyone's Cups and stickers and shit once things have been rolling. We will need some help designing a logo (paging @TreatyOak). This is a great opportunity for us to have some fun with the NIL, get some kids some cash legally and above board, help improve TE recruiting and keep talented TEs on the team and out of the portal. If you have any suggestions, questions or grievances shoot me and @immamac a DM. This is how we help!

     

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    NoName

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      On 9/1/2021 at 12:31 AM, Redmen62 said:

    Signed up. I’m from Canada, so this is now an international coalition of the willing. 

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    when is Japan sending the playstations?

    NoName

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      On 9/1/2021 at 3:16 AM, immamac said:

    You guys know jack shit about how these contracts work so it's funny when you try and tell me, the guy who actually has an active one, how they do.

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    NIL contract question.

    let's say Liebrock gets hurt and medically retires in October - his contract is through the end of the year so he gets paid

    if Helm gets sick and portals back to Colorado is he still paid through the end of the year or is it contingent on him being an enrolled at Texas?

    if Wiley does amazing and is a guaranteed first rounder next year and goes pro + withdraws from school in January to work on his NFL draft stock is he still paid through graduation basically?

    just trying to understand the contracts a little better?

    immamac

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      On 9/1/2021 at 3:55 PM, NoName said:

    NIL contract question.

    let's say Liebrock gets hurt and medically retires in October - his contract is through the end of the year so he gets paid

    if Helm gets sick and portals back to Colorado is he still paid through the end of the year or is it contingent on him being an enrolled at Texas?

    if Wiley does amazing and is a guaranteed first rounder next year and goes pro + withdraws from school in January to work on his NFL draft stock is he still paid through graduation basically?

    just trying to understand the contracts a little better?

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    without giving people a public roadmap of solving these issues, these are all questions that compliance asked us and are answered and accounted for in the contract. 

    To be clear, the only way you can do an NIL deal with a player is not tying that player to the university, that implies that you aren't paying the player for their NIL, but you are paying for their association with the university.

    The Texas law is pretty explicit about pay for performance, but the Ohio, Louisiana and some others aren't really clear on that. I'm not sure that any school's compliance would approve these contracts, every state law I have read, outside of autographs which require no contract, need to be approved by the University. I'm pretty sure a University wouldn't let a contract through that was explicitly performance based, and the Ohio law talks about things in uniform or official duties not being able to be part of the NIL thing. 

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    NoName

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      On 9/1/2021 at 4:41 PM, immamac said:

    without giving people a public roadmap of solving these issues, these are all questions that compliance asked us and are answered and accounted for in the contract. 

    To be clear, the only way you can do an NIL deal with a player is not tying that player to the university, that implies that you aren't paying the player for their NIL, but you are paying for their association with the university.

    The Texas law is pretty explicit about pay for performance, but the Ohio, Louisiana and some others aren't really clear on that. I'm not sure that any school's compliance would approve these contracts, every state law I have read, outside of autographs which require no contract, need to be approved by the University. I'm pretty sure a University wouldn't let a contract through that was explicitly performance based, and the Ohio law talks about things in uniform or official duties not being able to be part of the NIL thing. 

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    thank you!

    SuperSport

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      On 9/1/2021 at 4:41 PM, immamac said:

    To be clear, the only way you can do an NIL deal with a player is not tying that player to the university, that implies that you aren't paying the player for their NIL, but you are paying for their association with the university.

    The Texas law is pretty explicit about pay for performance,...I'm pretty sure a University wouldn't let a contract through that was explicitly performance based. 

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    I feel like lawyers could have a field day with the "Image" portion as it pertains to these two stipulations. Pretending for a moment that there is an actual valuation or ROI to the business, especially for a local business, that valuation/ROI is 100% tied to the athlete's association to a university and their performance on the field. A player with all the looks, charisma, and Twitter followers in the world does fuckall for Amy's Ice Cream if that player is a scrub at [insert other school] (hell, might even hit sales negatively if they're at OU, tOSU, etc.)...however, they could market the fuck out of an endorsement by some butt-ugly dude with no social media and the personality of a ham sandwich if that dude just so happened to be a Heisman contender at UT (thankfully we have Bijan /nohomo). NCAA and state politicians really couldn't have handled this any worse.

     

    BurntOrange&White

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    We’re up to $700 to ban whattebuck?

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    Wulaw Horn

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      On 9/1/2021 at 6:56 PM, Hornlover said:

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    I might be the only person in America who doesn't get this joke as I never watched Tiger King (I'm guessing this is from TIger king?)


    I fucking love the captioning though, I cracked up at that shit. 

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    Willfully Horn

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    Interesting that bannation is in the discussion to add to BE’s pot. I’m under the impression that buying in to BE also helps avoid the ramifications of crowd sourcing.

    Wulaw Horn

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      On 9/1/2021 at 8:43 PM, Willfully Horn said:

    Interesting that bannation is in the discussion to add to BE’s pot. I’m under the impression that buying in to BE also helps avoid the ramifications of crowd sourcing.

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    I don’t know that it’s actually in the table. Just saying if it was in limited sense and everyone is throwing in I would too. 

    Barbacoa

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    Straight from the horse’s mouth at the university, the state NIL laws prohibiting players from associating their NIL stuff to the school are fucking us. Hopefully this gets resolved soon.

    SydneyCarton

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    Goddamnit. 
     

    Id like to point out that no one likes Buck in the CR either. He’s a stupid idiot there too. His REP is a mystery. 

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    Wulaw Horn

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      On 9/1/2021 at 10:00 PM, SydneyCarton said:

    Goddamnit. 
     

    Id like to point out that no one likes Buck in the CR either. He’s a stupid idiot there too. His REP is a mystery. 

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    He got the rep from somewhere. It had to be CR. That and going on God doesn’t exist rants on the daily Texan. 

    SydneyCarton

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      On 9/1/2021 at 10:47 PM, Wulaw Horn said:

    He got the rep from somewhere. It had to be CR. That and going on God doesn’t exist rants on the daily Texan. 

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    Who knows. Futureman’s rep comes from the food board and the 5 idiots who like his posts. 

    JesusSweatDuck

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      On 9/1/2021 at 10:58 PM, SydneyCarton said:

    Who knows. Futureman’s rep comes from the food board and the 5 idiots who like his posts. 

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    All the 'I'd pee in her butt' threads

    BurntOrange&White

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    Mine comes from the football and recruiting board and for dog piling in posters getting picked on such as futureman. 

    RGBIII

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    Sneak peek


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    BurdineBandit

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    Alright, I'm in mferrrrssss. This first $10 is for Blaine Irby.

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    longhorn_mig

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    According to Wiltfong, Texas is trending for TE Jaleel Skinner. The Burnt Ends bump is already in play.

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    Viper

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      On 9/2/2021 at 7:32 PM, longhorn_mig said:

    According to Wiltfong, Texas is trending for TE Jaleel Skinner. The Burnt Ends bump is already in play.

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    Ben Ficus

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      On 9/2/2021 at 6:52 PM, BurdineBandit said:

    Alright, I'm in mferrrrssss. This first $10 is for Blaine Irby.

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    This hits close to home because I dedicated my first $10 to the hand job couple at the UTEP game.

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    LarryMoeSurly

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    @immamac & @RGBIII are fucking awesome for putting this together. The only potential hiccup I see is if for some reason the Horns carry 9 or 10 TEs on the roster. But I guess it’s just as likely the could carry 6 or 7.  Perhaps it would just average out over the 3-5 years a TE would be with the team. And perhaps the more established this thing gets there could be additional supporters other than the current projection. 

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    IDIOTsavant

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      On 9/3/2021 at 12:36 AM, Ben Ficus said:

    This hits close to home because I dedicated my first $10 to the hand job couple at the UTEP game.

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    Based on the act I can see how you thought that was a TE, but given the setting I’m fairly certain that wasn’t the case.

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    immamac

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      On 9/3/2021 at 12:41 AM, LarryMoeSurly said:

    @immamac & @RGBIII are fucking awesome for putting this together. The only potential hiccup I see is if for some reason the Horns carry 9 or 10 TEs on the roster. But I guess it’s just as likely the could carry 6 or 7.  Perhaps it would just average out over the 3-5 years a TE would be with the team. And perhaps the more established this thing gets there could be additional supporters other than the current projection. 

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    wait till you see signing day media...

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    RGBIII

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      On 9/3/2021 at 12:41 AM, LarryMoeSurly said:

    @immamac & @RGBIII are fucking awesome for putting this together. The only potential hiccup I see is if for some reason the Horns carry 9 or 10 TEs on the roster. But I guess it’s just as likely the could carry 6 or 7.  Perhaps it would just average out over the 3-5 years a TE would be with the team. And perhaps the more established this thing gets there could be additional supporters other than the current projection. 

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    Unconcerned lol

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    Wulaw Horn

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    Where are we at?  Was hoping for fully funded by kickoff. How close are we?  

    4UT

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    In for $25

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    RGBIII

    Posted

      On 9/3/2021 at 2:19 AM, Wulaw Horn said:

    Where are we at?  Was hoping for fully funded by kickoff. How close are we?  

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    Close. Just wait for Saturday

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    pacman

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    Signed up. Paid the bill. Gods speed to the surly TEs.

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    Dbeasy

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    FYI, for those excited about the Burnt Ends program and concerned that Texas needs to be doing more around NIL, there is an effort by several folks from Surly and elsewhere, (including Immamac, CTJ, myself, SydneyCarton, TreatyOak, Squishmitten, and RGBIII), to create a new company that fills the current holes in the Texas NIL plans. I post this here in addition to the NIL thread, which is members only.

    To move this forward, we need some crucial volunteer work for the next several months until a permanent funding plan for this company is put in place. Specific help we need is the following:

    IT/software development - a person or two who can help assemble a web site (using whatever third party products are required) that will enable a company resource to post content about Texas NIL projects the company is addressing and take payments for membership and NIL deals from Texas fans and community. OVer time we would continue to enhance this online presence into a full-blown online presence.  The newco would eventually hire 1-3 people to work on new things all the time.  We can't move the business forward without these resources so if you know someone who cares about Texas NIL and wants to be involved with something really cool, please DM me.

    Graphics and Marketing - a person or two that can create graphics and help with the NIL marketing programs we put in place. Again, there would eventually be a full-time position for this.

    Player Engagement - a person that knows players in various UT sports and can handle outreach and interfaction with them.  Again, this would eventually be a full-time position.

     

    DM me if you know anyone interested. the IT/SW are crucial steps for now.

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    JRLonghorn

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    I thought I saw something a few weeks ago about a surly tailgate to recruit for burnt ends. Any update?


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    immamac

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    We couldn't get the merch, flags and everything ready in time. We will have it set up for Arkansas and Rice games.

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    RGBIII

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      On 9/3/2021 at 12:50 PM, Dbeasy said:

    FYI, for those excited about the Burnt Ends program and concerned that Texas needs to be doing more around NIL, there is an effort by several folks from Surly and elsewhere, (including Immamac, CTJ, myself, SydneyCarton, TreatyOak, Squishmitten, and RGBIII), to create a new company that fills the current holes in the Texas NIL plans. I post this here in addition to the NIL thread, which is members only.

    To move this forward, we need some crucial volunteer work for the next several months until a permanent funding plan for this company is put in place. Specific help we need is the following:

    IT/software development - a person or two who can help assemble a web site (using whatever third party products are required) that will enable a company resource to post content about Texas NIL projects the company is addressing and take payments for membership and NIL deals from Texas fans and community. OVer time we would continue to enhance this online presence into a full-blown online presence.  The newco would eventually hire 1-3 people to work on new things all the time.  We can't move the business forward without these resources so if you know someone who cares about Texas NIL and wants to be involved with something really cool, please DM me.

    Graphics and Marketing - a person or two that can create graphics and help with the NIL marketing programs we put in place. Again, there would eventually be a full-time position for this.

    Player Engagement - a person that knows players in various UT sports and can handle outreach and interfaction with them.  Again, this would eventually be a full-time position.

     

    DM me if you know anyone interested. the IT/SW are crucial steps for now.

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    This is the most important thing at this point. When we sign 25 5*s in 2023 it will be because of this. Surly is changing the 40

    mvlonghorns

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      On 9/3/2021 at 12:50 PM, Dbeasy said:

    IT/software development - a person or two who can help assemble a web site (using whatever third party products are required) that will enable a company resource to post content about Texas NIL projects the company is addressing and take payments for membership and NIL deals from Texas fans and community. OVer time we would continue to enhance this online presence into a full-blown online presence.  The newco would eventually hire 1-3 people to work on new things all the time.  We can't move the business forward without these resources so if you know someone who cares about Texas NIL and wants to be involved with something really cool, please DM me.

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    So basically all you need is a blog + online store for now? You can probably get away with something like Squarespace or it's ilk for now, which one of y'all who isn't a IT person could probably create. Long term you will probably want to find a way to accept ACH debits to avoid all these credit card fees. It looks like Stripe let's you accept debits for subscriptions only right now which is something at least.

    LarryMoeSurly

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      On 9/3/2021 at 4:13 PM, Nifty Horns said:

    Hey y'all, hope that it's ok to post this here 

    My main account is a surly 10% member (with no CR rep inflation!) and burnt ends member but I wanted to have a level of separation for this

    I've been working on an NIL project of my own and we just launched this morning: niftyhorns.com

    I've spoilered a longer explanation but the tl;dr is that we're creating digital trading cards for Texas athletes. We'll be starting small but eventually it'd be great to include as many student athletes as possible. And our pack structure is going to allow for everyone to make money, from the stars to the walk-ons to non-revenue athletes

    Appreciate y'all checking it out 

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    This sounds awesome!  I’m mainly infatuated with two things in my spare time: football and crypto.  I’ll be buying these packs when they come out!

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    Dbeasy

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      On 9/3/2021 at 4:30 PM, mvlonghorns said:

    So basically all you need is a blog + online store for now? You can probably get away with something like Squarespace or it's ilk for now, which one of y'all who isn't a IT person could probably create. Long term you will probably want to find a way to accept ACH debits to avoid all these credit card fees. It looks like Stripe let's you accept debits for subscriptions only right now which is something at least.

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    That's part of what I've been trying to work out, what to use and the timing of rolling out stuff.  I've thought of everything from Shopify or Squarespace, to community software to just putting together some sort of wordpress site.  I think what will be key is to talk through options with knowledgeable folks and pick a path to start.

    jwtexan

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      On 9/3/2021 at 4:00 PM, immamac said:

    We couldn't get the merch, flags and everything ready in time. We will have it set up for Arkansas and Rice games.

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    See you in Fayetteville then damn it

    Mikey4

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    @immamac, can we get an update on #s after today's media blitz?




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