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Look... First off, the Eyes isn't going to go away or change. Let's start with that. Second, the rest of the shit on that list is justifiable and the University should deal with it. Those are very valid concerns that can create meaningful change. Third, it's 1:17pm. Is it too early to drink? But Fourth--I've been singing The Eyes since 2003 when I transferred in to UT, and it gave me chills then and it gives me chills now. I didn't know about its racist history until recently, and my only reaction was "wow." If we get rid of it, I won't care. If we keep it, I won't care. I care about The University of Texas, and a song isn't going to change that. We could have the fucking theme to Blue's Clues as our alma mater and I wouldn't give a shit if that meant a roll of National Championships and Big 12 titles in football and basketball. Did I have some "racial incidents" at UT? Ehh, not really. The only thing I got was white people asking me which sport I played, but I would bet nearly every Black person on campus got that. FWIW, I always gave different sports as my answers each time. The responses were hilarious. With that said, our players are Black men first. They will play for UT for at most 4 years, but they'll be Black their entire lives. Their life experiences should not be discounted just because they are players. And if you don't think Herman approved this, then you're a fucking idiot.

I’ll alert school officials....

New poster with a politically-oriented username descends on the Recruiting thread to predict doom and gloom if we "cave" to the athletes? It's a unique spin on the usual football board overflow.

There are times where your posts are so myopically stupid that i say to myself “we’ve reached peak Htown dipshittery” but then here you go again raising the bar. Truly impressive.

Can't cave to those minority athletes! That'll make the University look WEAK! It will be divisive in the sense that I will be divided from my position of privilege to decide what's best for these students. No sir. Too much controversy. Not good for recruiting the 70% minority athletes we use to make hundreds of millions of dollars. No sirree bob! Can't have that. Can't look weak. Won't do it. Someone go get the national guard to tear gas these ungrateful submitches and teach them a lesson. Where is my manservent with my sweet tea?

When the basis of the offensiveness is as contrived as it is here, it's a little troubling. I totally get that the "white majority" doesn't get to decide what's racist or not or impose its will on an oppressed minority. But when the majority of people (white or otherwise) have employed a tradition without racial animus for more than a century, and there is no "obvious" racial animus inherent to the tradition, it presents a bit of a quandary. It shouldn't be mandatory for anyone, nor should it be banned is where I end up, I guess.

As a POC, i think this is the stupidest fuckin thing Ive heard in about the last 12.5 hours... this generation of serial victims is going fucking crazy. Victims looking for an aggresor. And all these white folks just going along cause they think its what theyre supposed to do. Speak out and your labeled a racist. Everyone is losing theyre mind. They have some valid points about building names at least. But the song? I mean come the fuck on... The complaining will never stop. Watch and see

This is the biggest load of stupid, fucking horseshit. If we hadn't needed to devote so much time, effort, money and worry into dealing with bigotry and its deleterious effects on , oh... pretty much every fucking facet of our culture, we just might have devoted those emotional, financial and political resources toward maintaining infrastructure, diseases and creating a healthy and vibrant economy for our country. You are positively myopic, at best.

I was talking with a friend I have known for 20+ years who works in law down in New Orleans. She was sharing a story with me yesterday about someone she defended that was accused of theft. He saw police officers running towards him so he ran from them. When they caught up to him and arrested him it was on the grounds of a school so he was charged not only with theft, but with trespassing on school property. The arresting officer asked him why he ran and he said "because you started running towards me". He had nothing on him and the kicker is the 911 call said there were TWO young black men who committed the theft. When she presented the 911 call to the DA they would not drop the charges even in the face of this not being the two people they were looking for. This young man, in his early 20's, had to sit in jail for two months awaiting his day in court because he could not afford bail either. All charges were dropped once evidence was presented in court from the 911 call. She talked about something else that I thought was important. Imagine if that young man had kids and he is away for two months and isn't able to take care of them. The state could've taken them and then he winds up in the court system trying to get them back and all because of a DA that wouldn't drop the charges even when shown the evidence that says they should be. This is the experience that black men in this country have when it comes to the law. They are not treated equally and continuing to pretend there is not a problem is not a viable excuse anymore. I am so glad my friend fights the good fight along with her husband down there. She said it does sadden her still that she will have to sit down with her two young sons at some point and explain to them what they should do when confronted by a police officer.

Considering it is sung to the tune of "I've Been Working on the Railroad", shouldn't the Chinese students be the ones with the problem?

This was today in DC. We started the protest at the White House and after an hour or so left for Dotard’s hotel where we sat in the street in front of it. After that we marched up to Meridian Hill Park and we had bicyclists block streets off along the way. We had to go around some military personnel and the young black soldiers on duty were giving everyone walking by their Humvee fist bumps of support. Cars honked in support while they waited. It was peaceful, but powerful today and the young black men and women who spoke were so passionate and informed about the issues here in DC and nationwide.

Ummm....yep. Maybe you chose not to listen, but when I was at Texas 30+ years ago, there WERE people raising many of these issues (racist memorials etc). Not enough people listened to them, because listening to minority voices isn’t something we’ve ever been very good at. Understand that all over this country, we put up confederate memorials and added the confederate flag to state flags and such....in the 50s and 60s....in response to those uppity black folks having the nerve to demand [checks notes] the right to vote and shit like that. All of those “fuck yous” weren’t enough to stop the passage of the Voting Rights Act....but most of them are still there, still saying “fuck you.” The great, open, and obvious sins of our country against black people didn’t end with emancipation. Jim Crow, in ways both big and small, continued well into my lifetime. And, shameful secret here...old Jim still hasn’t completely gone away. He’s more subtle, and less direct. But he hasn’t given up the ghost. My fellow Americans who are black now have the great courage to say its time to kick Jim all the way fucking out. They have a really good fucking point. I think I’d like to be a good American and stand with them. Fuck a treasonous rebellion that fought for the sacred right to enslave black people. Fuck venerating a person for his efforts in that regard. Fuck the damage we did to generations by denying them access to the flagship university of the state for decades. And fuck the racist bullshit we subjected them to when we finally let them in here. Black athletes aren’t trained animals for your entertainment. They are students at a university that is supposed to be developing the future leaders of this state. So they’re trying to lead. What starts here changes the world. You either believe that at or you don’t. They do. So do I.

Please excuse this off-topic post.

Did you even read the articles? Original lyrics were written tuneless and then Sinclair who penned the second version, today's version, purposely and with intent wrote it to be presented to the president who infamously used "The Eyes of Texas are upon you" as his personal motto after and wherever he spoke. Neither version contained any racist lyrics and it was not written as a joke or for the show, per Sinclair P14. He specifically refutes that. Again, it was written for use by the president to reinforce his message. He was presented that song at that ONE minstrel show. How this can be in black and white and then be understood by some that the origins are racist either didn't read this, have an agenda, are being obtuse or have low reading comprehension.

We may not agree on everything, but we certainly agree that Chip Brown can go fuck himself.

I don't like some if the demands but I'm not a black athlete representing the University of Texas. I don't know what it's like to deal with the fucked up system that they've grown up under. Fuck it, it's another opportunity to live up to the motto and change the fucking world. Either UTexas is part of the solution or it's part of the problem. We're asking cops to hold each other accountable. Time for institutions of higher learning to do the same.

Your example proves the point. Jewish people don't want to forget AND don't want statues erected of Nazi's. In fact, Germany has none of these (link below). Taking the statues down doesn't mean forget about the traitors. It means stop celebrating them. No memorials to evil

You're right, BLM is intent on dividing Americans into two groups. The first, the one who think police misconduct against minority communities is OK,. The second believes police misconduct against minorities is wrong. Because BLM focuses on one topic doesn't mean they don't care about others. Just because you don't know about the other work they do doesn't mean it doesn't happened. Your claim that it there are 8 - 10 black people who have been wrongly killed by police is factually incorrect. That is the number of black people who've been murdered by police on camera, irrefutably. Just because it isn't documented on camera for you to see doesn't mean it didn't happened and doesn't mean it was legitimate. America's police long ago lost legitimacy in minority communities because of these extrajudicial murders, rogue detention practices, and general harassment. Again, because you didn't experience it, doesn't mean it didn't happened. Your post shows obvious ignorance. Ignorance can be combated with knowledge, if you're willing to learn. Listen to the 18 year olds on the UT football team. They'll explain to you an American experience different from your own. You and they will benefit.

There's already been one ban. If anyone decides this is the thread to start spouting racist shit in you will follow suit.

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College football as we know it is pretty much finished. It’s already become a pretty boring product anyway honestly... Texas hasn’t won anything in 11 years and its highly doubtful that’s changing anytime soon, so there’s not a true reason to care anymore. Just shut it down, CTE was going to phase it all out anyway. Also, I’m tired of these coaches obviously faking this bullshit while they exploit these kids for hundreds of millions.

Not gonna get too far into this since this thread really isn't the place for it, but I will say that defending monuments to racists under the guise of "preserving history" is just about the most bullshit argument you can make. If you're so worried about history being lost, maybe we should increase education funding instead of honoring people who dedicated their lives to preserving one of the worst practices the human race has ever engaged in.

The equal opportunity of Texas is upon you. Only during pre-approved working hours The equal opportunity of Texas is upon you, You can opt in or opt out. You do not have any obligation, at any hour of the day. The equal opportunity of Texas is upon you, till you choose what works best for you.

No please dont go

If a Democratic Congress and Senate pass some version of MFA, there is no chance in hell that Biden wouldn't sign it. BT believes Biden has an ideological problem with MFA. He doesn't, he has a pragmatic issue with it. He doesn't think it has the votes to pass and that it would harm Democratic candidates in the election. If the electorate shows greater support for MFA, Biden will evolve on the issue.

Fucking idiot. That helmet gives a -4 penalty to perception. His chestplate has more than enough pierce armor - he should be wearing a Cowl of Afaris or something else that boosts willpower.

No. The economic stability of HBCUs will not be materially affected by half-measures or by monetary transfers related to intercollegiate athletics. If you want to help put HBCUs on a firm financial footing, great. But don’t burden collegiate athletics departments with social engineering obligations. Feel free to donate any sum of money you choose to the worthy cause you set forth. Volunteer your time. Help involve others. But the designed mission of UT athletics is not to somehow insert themselves into the management or administration of state HBCUs. Design the right solution to solve the problem. Either you care enough to do it right, or you don’t.

All of this is just a bunch of pussies that want to be heard. And when they get this accomplished they are going to go home thinking they've done a good job. And the same problems are going to exist in the black community that did before and the narrative will continue that America is racist and evil.

This is all bullshit and just mob justice. Don't care what anyone says.

History was changed when statues that lauded confederate generals for fighting for "states' rights" were originally erected.

Every time black people ask for something simple... to be treated fairly by police, some idiot declares that black people kill a lot of black people. And a lot of black kids grow up in broken homes. Putting aside for a moment that the argument is completely disingenuous, when did we decide that only those who live a virtuous life are worthy of fair treatment?

Note to self, "set system preferences to Recruiting, Other Sports and Hobbies board only".

No, I say leave it open. It's not all bad. These conversations need to happen, even if they unveil things we didn't want to face.

I think it is up to everyone to hear them out, and think about their requests and the reasonings for it. But it is not incumbent that we make every change they demand, that is lunacy.

This thread has gone from discussing this issue to conservative white bro’s giving their hot fox news takes on what’s “wrong” with the entire Black community....every single one of us. This thread should probably be locked now.

Sir, this is an Arby’s

Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony

I just want to point something out that was triggered by the post about the worst police brutality occurring in D-mayor cities. The root problem underlying our defective police culture and many other aspects of the criminal justice system is the fear of the citizenry. A fear that has been stoked or at least politically preyed upon by politicians of #bothsides for several decades. Doing something to "strengthen" police, or increase sentences, or create new crimes has been a very reliable way to pander to the citizenry for a long time. By the same token, doing anything to weaken police, reduce sentences, or reduce the reach and punitiveness of the criminal justice system has been mostly an untouchable third rail politically, until pretty recently, and even then that is on thin ice. Neither party has the political or philosophical high ground on these issues, from an historical standpoint. Obviously, the right-wing R-types currently supporting the status quo are on the wrong side of this issue, but we got here through the derelictions of both parties. The only reason I bring this up is that I frequently see "fear-based" reactions on this site to crime stories. When I say "fear-based," I don't mean you're quaking in your shoes with pee running down your leg. When you talk about vengeance, punishment, and especially deterrence, those are fear-based rationales, and not often the product of having thought through an issue. So, check yourself before you wreck yourself. Be on guard when any politician uses your fear-based responses. This has implications outside of police and criminal justice reform, too.

I met that doctor one time...Describing how would blow my cover even more than it already is, so I won't, but it was very cool, and an honor to meet him. Okay, long story here, but I promise the payoff is worth it... My mom was a wild child who got kicked out of Incarnate Word and St. Agnes and so attended San Jacinto HS and then finally Lamar, where she ran with a crew of little flower power hippies and beatniks. This was pre-Manson, and they called themselves "the Family." One member of the family was a handsome, brooding guitar-playing Jewish kid named Larry. Larry's parents were card-carrying Communists when he was growing up and so he was pretty much raised under FBI surveillance. He also was in fourth grade at Poe Elementary when that bomb went off and that fucked with his head pretty badly too. I've met about a half-dozen people who survived that horror and they are all deeply twisted each in their own ways. Larry was kind of like this James Dean Bob Dylan combo who had his pick of all the girls who would have gone to PVA had it existed at the time...And he was way into acid first and then he got into speed and got really really strung out. Dropped out of college and disappeared and was pretty much written off for dead. Both my parents were friends with Larry's brother, a student radical at UH whose name escapes me now. When our family moved to NYC for a short spell circa 1971, my parents drove a van there and Larry's brother and girlfriend accompanied me, an infant at the time, on the plane up there. So anyway, after a few years in the wind, Larry popped up in California and to everyone's surprise, was actually thriving. He'd blazed through undergrad and was charging through medical school. After LSD and speed, he'd found Jesus. Jesus and a benefactor, who saw promise in the young man and helped pay his way through med school. And then when Larry completed med school that benefactor hired Larry as his organization's staff physician and he remained in that duty when the organization moved oversears. To Guyana. The Benefactor was the Rev Jim Jones, and Dr. Larry Schacht was the camp physician at Jonestown. Dr. Larry devised the Guyana punch on Jones's orders and drank it down with the rest of them. The day after it happened the phone was ringing off the hook at my mom's house in Nashville. The media had tracked her down somehow. She was no commenting for awhile and then stopped answering the phone at all and I couldn't understand why. I thought she was missing out on a shot at fame.

Glad to come back to this thread and see the stupid is strong, but it’s not anyone from UT.

Any way we can move the football board back to the football board? If you want to talk about this in the context of recruiting or away from the regards, I get it. Let's at least move this to a new thread about how this impacts recruiting.

Incredible. Just incredible. He admits to having no clue where these statues are and states they have no meaning to him at all, yet he’s adamantly against them being removed, acts personally insulted, and said in an earlier post the idea is “fucking retarded.” HtownHorn isn’t just playing without a full deck, he can’t even find the table.

I’ve fixed the song. You’re welcome. The Eyes of Texas are upon us,All the livelong day.The Eyes of Texas are upon us,We cannot get away.Do not think we can escape themAt night or early in the morn --The Eyes of Texas are upon usTil Gabriel blows his horn.

My initial reaction to the song being on the list of proposed changes was that of shock and confusion. The other changes on the list made sense and were very appropriate. I recited the lyrics, trying to look for any connotations and racist undertones. Then I learned about it's origin and the environment it was originally brought up in. As much as it is a hard pill to swallow, it's a good feeling to be enlightened and learn something new. It's good to be presented a perspective I never realized even existed (about the song). When these protests and riots broke out, many including myself swore to at least listen to the black community's perspective on systemic racism in our country. Despite having much emotional attachment to The Eyes of Texas, I'm listening to the message with an open mind. The hardest part about letting the song go is all the great memories associated with it. Witnessing it played in the Rose Bowl when we beat Michigan and USC, RRS victories, thumping Georgia and many other times where our players demonstrated the true meaning of Texas Football to the tune of that song are very special memories to all of us. However, if all the the other changes on that list are made and the black Longhorn community still has the same feeling about the song, then there's nothing a reasonable person can say against it. At the end of the day, all of my great memories that are associated with the song exist because of THE PLAYERS. They made it happen, the song did not. I'm not going to tell them what they should or shouldn't tolerate hearing because they're the ones in the field, making things happen. We owe them at that much. So if it comes down to it, I guess I'll just have to create new memory associations with the new song.

I was always under the impression that the song was mocking the school president at the time. It was satire. The fact that the guys singing it were in blackface to me seems besides the point. It's like throwing out the declaration of independence because Jefferson owned slaves. All men being created equal of course. We are confusing the messenger with the message. And if our black student athletes are offended by that, then I can still respect that opinion. I'm not black. I'm not qualified to say what they should be offended by. I do know however, that I'm 50 years old and still get chills singing the eyes in the cotton bowl after beating Oklahoma's ass. I sang it at my commencement. That song has great meaning for me. I never once knew about any sort of racist history or association with it. I'd be disappointed if it went away but I get it.

For folks seemingly concerned with preservation of history, I’m very glad to let you know about the invention called a book.

Okay. Here's the link to the actual local news story Mr. Ngo took clips from to misconstrue the situation. That quote from the police chief is referring to response times to that general part of the city because the precinct is closed, and, undoubtedly, they have slowed. But she was not referring to the CHAZ as a place where rapes and murders are happening. Also, unmentioned by Ngo, is that the reporter in that story also is showing video of the cops reoccupying the precinct station and mentions that the protesters are allowing them in there. So, yeah, the YouTube clip is total bullshit. Just watch the unedited, original story and it's not nearly the sinister chaotic scene shown above. And, as a matter of fact, the video does make the zone look #insanelychill. It's a short newsclip, and the contrast between the portrayal of the situation is stark. https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/chief-best-says-response-times-now-three-times-longer-east-precinct/DTHBLRXE6ZG2NBCSK7HJP6OSHA/ @GRHornDo your fucking work to verify the shit you post. Edit: By posting this, you have revoked your right to ever complain about "media bias" ever again. Because that was flat out disinformation and propaganda.