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    Texas Jeff

    By Texas Jeff

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    I thought it might be helpful to have a separate topic related to the vaccine.  If this is too much duplication, mods please delete this thread.  I thought it would be good to talk about who can get the vaccine, where they can get it, what side effects people are seeing, and in general what is going on with distribution.

    The CDC has published vaccine distribution guidelines, and if you care, they are worth reading.  They are dividing the timeline into:

    • Phase 1 - Potentially limited supply of COVID-19 vaccine doses available
    • Phase 2 - Large number of vaccine doses available
    • Phase 3 - Sufficient supply of vaccine doses for entire population

    Who you are will determine if you are eligible for a vaccine in the various phases.

    Phase 1 is divided into a Phase 1a and a Phase 1b:

    • Phase 1a - Mostly healthcare workers
    • Phase 1b - Other essential workers, people with higher risks, people over 65

    If you are eligible to get the vaccine and they have in in stock and you want to get it, it is important to go get it.  Both of the first two vaccines can spoil, so if a dose is sitting there and you aren't there to get it, they might have to throw it away.

    Both vaccines require two shots.  It is important to go get that second shot.

    Who fits in phase 1b and who has to wait until phase 2 might be a sticking point.  The "people in higher risks" category includes a lot of folks, maybe more than you would think might be in that category.  Hopefully we can quickly get to phase 2 so that we don't spend too long arguing about who is or is not in Phase 1b.

    Anyway, I'm interested in everyone's experience with the vaccine and especially getting the word out for those that can go get it, so that every dose ends up in an arm rather than in the trash.

     

     

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    Pods
    On 8/1/2021 at 6:28 PM, Anastasis said:

    This isn't fair, and actually reflects texags thinking by projection. The data are not definitive on many of the specific topics being debated (natural immunity vs. vax immunity, necessity of vax in post convalescent cases, pediatric cases <12, etc.). It does a disservice to the discussion to bring this kind of rhetoric into it, both from GR and you.   

     

    Bullshit. I'm a known poster with an honestly disclosed background who does not claim to be a doctor. I also posted citations to most of what I was claiming and made clear that these were my opinions and that they disagreed with consensus in areas. I do think they will be correct, but people can make their own opinions. I'd love to be wrong. 

    GRHorn is a known liar who claimed to be a medical doctor under his previous account and has been intentionally spreading dissension and lies the entire time he has posted on this board. He's also banned for lying and using several sock accounts to continue to do so.

    I only responded to him at all so other posters could recognize him as a banned liar. 

    If you can't see the difference there, it's because his is one of your biggest allies on topics we can't discuss on this board and you are letting that creep in.  

     

     

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    Anastasis

    There are not definitive conclusions or data on the issues I highlighted in that post, and I think that all the ad hominem name calling does a disservice to what is an interesting discussion especially for people reading along that are not as versed in the data and its context.  So I'll go with "no bullshit". I don't think that I am the one letting my political inclinations influence my take on this. But carry on pods. 

     

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    Pods
    5 hours ago, Neonmoon said:

    In Austin, from 7/19 to 8/1, fully vaccinated in hospital is 16.55%

    Doesn’t break it down further into ICU

    This isn't surprising. It's the same signal we've seen everywhere else. I posted last week about similar numbers in Houston, LA and Chicago. Places with higher vaccination rates will have higher percentages of breakthrough hospitalizations. That's the people available to infect. It's going to go up, but as long as it stays below the percent vaccinated in the overall population, it shows the vaccines are still working, just not as well as we'd hoped. 

    3 hours ago, UT_OB1 said:

    There are detailed numbers in the link posted by Anastasia. 70+ year old group makes up 46% of the vaccinated hospitalized. 50-70 year olds make up 37%

     

    edit - not detailed to age and date of Vax. However, being that we’re only talking about n=54 to start with, I think we’d be flogging the crap out of the data to reach much more detailed conclusions. It probably just boils down to what it has since the beginning - the older you are the more at risk you are. 

    Israeli data was strongly stratified. Most the breakthrough hospitalizations were over 60. May be age, may be that they were vaccinated first. 

     

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    Muy Frio
    25 minutes ago, Pods said:

    Bullshit. I'm a known poster with an honestly disclosed background who does not claim to be a doctor. I also posted citations to most of what I was claiming and made clear that these were my opinions and that they disagreed with consensus in areas. I do think they will be correct, but people can make their own opinions. I'd love to be wrong. 

    GRHorn is a known liar who claimed to be a medical doctor under his previous account and has been intentionally spreading dissension and lies the entire time he has posted on this board. He's also banned for lying and using several sock accounts to continue to do so.

    I only responded to him at all so other posters could recognize him as a banned liar. 

    If you can't see the difference there, it's because his is one of your biggest allies on topics we can't discuss on this board and you are letting that creep in.  

     

     

    I have no sock accounts.

     

    I am a doctor.
     

    You keep calling me a liar without basis. 

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    Pods
    2 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

    There are not definitive conclusions or data on the issues I highlighted in that post, and I think that all the ad hominem name calling does a disservice to what is an interesting discussion especially for people reading along that are not as versed in the data and its context.  So I'll go with "no bullshit". But carry on pods. 

     

    Ad hominem against a poster banned for lying that is now using a sock account to be a new poster?

    It's not me calling him a liar. It was the entire site that voted him out. 

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    Pods
    1 minute ago, Lobo said:

    Doctor of what?  

    Don't bother. He's admitted he's GRHorn, who was banned by everyone. That's all I cared about, that people know the poster they are talking to and are able to judge their relative credibility. 

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    Muy Frio
    2 minutes ago, Lobo said:

    Doctor of what?  

    Medicine

    2 minutes ago, Pods said:

    Ad hominem against a poster banned for lying that is now using a sock account to be a new poster?

    It's not me calling him a liar. It was the entire site that voted him out. 

    I wasn’t banned for lying. I was banned for trolling CR. I’ve kept it decidedly non CR here. 

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    Chewbacca
    1 minute ago, Muy Frio said:

    No this one was only started after the sourcing. Check the dates. 

    You should be a lawyer the way you parse words.  Weren't you the one of accusing me of having socks a week or two ago?  It's all projection with you motherfuckers.  You figure you're doing something, that means everyone is doing it.

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    Captainant
    Just now, Muy Frio said:

    No this one was only started after the sourcing. Check the dates. 

    dawww cmon now, don't act like @William Wallace wasn't you! That one started literally an hour after you got crowdsourced and had the same pattern as this account before getting crowdsourced

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    Anastasis
    6 hours ago, Muy Frio said:

    Here’s some potentially reassuring data for those that are worried about their unvaccinated kids and school. 

    Symptoms reported by parents. Only 4% of kids still experiencing symptoms at 4 weeks. 2% at 8 weeks. Most common symptoms fatigue, headache, loss of smell. 
     

    This is a marked improvement over the 10-30% long covid numbers I’ve seen thrown around here. 

     

    Self-report by parental proxy with substantial attrition before they could meet the case definition due to loss of follow-up.  They also omit some important long covid symptom domains. Likely substantially underestimates incidence of long covid. Relatively limited and weak data point imo.   

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    Muy Frio
    4 minutes ago, Captainant said:

    dawww cmon now, don't act like @William Wallace wasn't you! That one started literally an hour after you got crowdsourced and had the same pattern as this account before getting crowdsourced

    I would’ve never done the cringe posts that guy did on the crypto thread. 
     

    7 minutes ago, Chewbacca said:

    You should be a lawyer the way you parse words.  Weren't you the one of accusing me of having socks a week or two ago?  It's all projection with you motherfuckers.  You figure you're doing something, that means everyone is doing it.

    You’re getting posters confused. Wasn’t me. 

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    37 minutes ago, Pods said:

    This isn't surprising. It's the same signal we've seen everywhere else. I posted last week about similar numbers in Houston, LA and Chicago. Places with higher vaccination rates will have higher percentages of breakthrough hospitalizations. That's the people available to infect. It's going to go up, but as long as it stays below the percent vaccinated in the overall population, it shows the vaccines are still working, just not as well as we'd hoped. 

    Israeli data was strongly stratified. Most the breakthrough hospitalizations were over 60. May be age, may be that they were vaccinated first. 

     

    Vaccines work, exhibit number 1,333,098

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    Enchubben
    3 hours ago, midtown said:

    A friend in Florida is in the hospital going on 4 days now.   Late 40's maybe early 50's/   He admitted in a group chat that he was unvaxed.  He's used to live in Texas and is a complete homo-phobe and racist.   Not surprised he's unvaxed.  He tried to play it off by claiming that the nurses told him 75% of hospitalizations are vaccinated.   BULLL SHIIIIITTTT

    I don’t mean this in an accusatory way, but why are you friends with a homophobic racist antivaxxer?

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    JimmyJames
    4 minutes ago, drt said:

    I thought he admitted he was a chiropractor early on in the pandemic 

    It doesn’t matter what he admitted he is full of shit and always has been. He’s paid to spread misinformation. I’m sure he does a much better and more effective job on Facebook than he does here. I’m not sure why he bothers here but whatever. 

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    JimmyJames
    3 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

     

     

    Delta wave getting everybody in a pissy mood. 

    It probably should. I’m waiting for the decrease in numbers before the fall that some dude predicted because delta burns fast. Hope he is right and that happens because the alternative is...not good.

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    midtown
    I don’t mean this in an accusatory way, but why are you friends with a homophobic racist antivaxxer?
    Not friends. He's in our fantasy football league. I don't really associate with him. But I did think the same thing when I was typing that out
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    10 minutes ago, drt said:

    I thought he admitted he was a chiropractor early on in the pandemic 

    So what?  Who do you go visit when you have covid-19 symptoms, a physician?  Pussy.  

    Actually, I have nothing against chiropractic---used it a few times.  But I would real fucking skeptical of a medical practice, during Covid-19, that involves somebody breathing  over you for 30 minutes...followed by an intense rearrangement of the bones in/near my respiratory system.  

    Somebody on here awhile back on the NSFW forum posted some videos of "chiropractic porn" with smoking hot women in yoga pants getting adjusted.  I watched it again recently and realized no matter how attractive the patient, no matter what ails them, no matter their age or whatever...the chiropractor---if you can look past the soft core smut and the ladies moaning---does the exact fucking treatment to everybody.  Why even bother with the whole patient history/consultation phase and just get to the 8-point plan.  GRhorn's patient information paper is worth about as much as the paper his diploma is printed on.  

     

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    1 hour ago, Muy Frio said:

    I have no sock accounts.

     

    I am a doctor.
     

    You keep calling me a liar without basis. 

    I quit college to join the family business.  My dad is a doctor.  It's all about who you know.

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    Muy Frio
    4 minutes ago, JimmyJames said:

    It probably should. I’m waiting for the decrease in numbers before the fall that some dude predicted because delta burns fast. Hope he is right and that happens because the alternative is...not good.

    You mean Scott Gottlieb? He’s calling a decline by Mid August. 

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    Anastasis
    9 minutes ago, Muy Frio said:

    You mean Scott Gottlieb? He’s calling a decline by Mid August. 

    I think that we are stretching into at least Sept in certain regions, but yeah, hoping that the UK trend replicates. 

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    Gil Bang
      On 7/21/2021 at 3:25 PM, Nice Guy Eddie said:

    There isn't any system that validates whether you've already had a shot or not. The place where you received the original shot(s) are maintaining those records just in case you need to prove you're vaccinated. The state or the feds don't have that record by name.

     

    CA has a system.  You go to https://myvaccinerecord.cdph.ca.gov/

    You put in your info.  Name, DOB, etc.  It sends you back a validation of your vaccination, including a barcode dealie.  I screenshot mine, so I've got it should I ever need it. 

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    13 minutes ago, Muy Frio said:

    You mean Scott Gottlieb? He’s calling a decline by Mid August. 

    Don’t recall the name but that could have been him. Frankly I don’t care who predicted it I just want them to be right. I want to go to the cotton bowl in the second weekend of October during the state fair and all the anti vaxxer idiots are putting a big question mark next to that.

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    4 minutes ago, Gil Bang said:
      On 7/21/2021 at 3:25 PM, Nice Guy Eddie said:

    There isn't any system that validates whether you've already had a shot or not. The place where you received the original shot(s) are maintaining those records just in case you need to prove you're vaccinated. The state or the feds don't have that record by name.

     

    CA has a system.  You go to https://myvaccinerecord.cdph.ca.gov/

    You put in your info.  Name, DOB, etc.  It sends you back a validation of your vaccination, including a barcode dealie.  I screenshot mine, so I've got it should I ever need it. 

    Thanks man. I honestly had no idea this existed. I was all prepared to find a laminating machine.

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    Gil Bang
    2 minutes ago, Foosters said:

    Thanks man. I honestly had no idea this existed. I was all prepared to find a laminating machine.

    Yeah, CA's system seems to be pretty good.  For example, I got my Pfizer (COVID, not Viagra) at one of the public supervax sites, in my case at a Cal State Campus.  I get my health insurance through Kaiser.  I was surprised to see that the vax is on my medical record on the Kaiser app, and I didn't tell anybody at Kaiser. 

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    Muy Frio
    8 minutes ago, JimmyJames said:

    Don’t recall the name but that could have been him. Frankly I don’t care who predicted it I just want them to be right. I want to go to the cotton bowl in the second weekend of October during the state fair and all the anti vaxxer idiots are putting a big question mark next to that.

    Oh I go every year. We should hang out. 

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    Don’t recall the name but that could have been him. Frankly I don’t care who predicted it I just want them to be right. I want to go to the cotton bowl in the second weekend of October during the state fair and all the anti vaxxer idiots are putting a big question mark next to that.


    Are they?

    I really haven't seen much change around Austin even with the "Aggy rollercoaster in September" looking incline in cases.


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    JesusSweatDuck
    15 minutes ago, Foosters said:

    Thanks man. I honestly had no idea this existed. I was all prepared to find a laminating machine.

    I laminated a copy just in case we need boosters and they need to update the original

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    1 minute ago, JesusSweatDuck said:

    I laminated a copy just in case we need boosters and they need to update the original

    To clarify...you made a photocopy of your original vaccine record, laminated that copy, and left the original intact so any booster can be noted on the original card. 

    You did it correctly.  

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    RDCanecutter
    44 minutes ago, Sbbruin said:

    I quit college to join the family business.  My dad is a doctor.  It's all about who you know.

    My dad was a Harley guy. I bought a moped and rode it to Mexico. He seemed to have complex feelings about that.

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    JesusSweatDuck
    6 minutes ago, Gil Bang said:

    To clarify...you made a photocopy of your original vaccine record, laminated that copy, and left the original intact so any booster can be noted on the original card. 

    You did it correctly.  

    Correct

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    JimmyJames
    28 minutes ago, smoky said:



     

     


    Are they?

    I really haven't seen much change around Austin even with the "Aggy rollercoaster in September" looking incline in cases.

     

     

    Not yet. Hope it stays that way.

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    smoky

    The US should give out a 2fer1 Pfizer covid vax/ Viagra coupon with every shot.

    Boom, problem solved... unless you're Moderna or J&J.

    @walensky, are you listening?

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