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  • I thought it might be helpful to have a separate topic related to the vaccine.  If this is too much duplication, mods please delete this thread.  I thought it would be good to talk about who can get the vaccine, where they can get it, what side effects people are seeing, and in general what is going on with distribution.

    The CDC has published vaccine distribution guidelines, and if you care, they are worth reading.  They are dividing the timeline into:

    • Phase 1 - Potentially limited supply of COVID-19 vaccine doses available
    • Phase 2 - Large number of vaccine doses available
    • Phase 3 - Sufficient supply of vaccine doses for entire population

    Who you are will determine if you are eligible for a vaccine in the various phases.

    Phase 1 is divided into a Phase 1a and a Phase 1b:

    • Phase 1a - Mostly healthcare workers
    • Phase 1b - Other essential workers, people with higher risks, people over 65

    If you are eligible to get the vaccine and they have in in stock and you want to get it, it is important to go get it.  Both of the first two vaccines can spoil, so if a dose is sitting there and you aren't there to get it, they might have to throw it away.

    Both vaccines require two shots.  It is important to go get that second shot.

    Who fits in phase 1b and who has to wait until phase 2 might be a sticking point.  The "people in higher risks" category includes a lot of folks, maybe more than you would think might be in that category.  Hopefully we can quickly get to phase 2 so that we don't spend too long arguing about who is or is not in Phase 1b.

    Anyway, I'm interested in everyone's experience with the vaccine and especially getting the word out for those that can go get it, so that every dose ends up in an arm rather than in the trash.

     

     


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    Sbbruin

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    34 minutes ago, kevwun said:

    They all had their antibody levels tested.  The higher the number the better.

    My rheumatologist indicated that the antibody testing was a very inexact science and not a good predictor of efficacy. 

    Liquor and Poker

    Posted

    4 minutes ago, Nonbryan said:

    Are those chart antibody numbers taken right after they received the 2nd shot?  Or are they #s from the recent past?

    Mine from yesterday 

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    Sbbruin

    Posted

    So I've been on Tigerdroppings a bit lately as we play them on 9/4.  They are losing their marbles over LSU's decision to mandate vaccines or negative tests to attend a game at Tiger Stadium.  

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    Liquor and Poker

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    1 minute ago, Sbbruin said:

    My rheumatologist indicated that the antibody testing was a very inexact science and not a good predictor of efficacy. 

    My GP said the same thing. But it is a good indicator the vaccine is still on the job.

    there’s also a theory that the reason for breakthrough infections of Delta is simply due to the enormous viral load overwhelming antibodies, and that the reason most of those breakthroughs are not serious is that T-cells and other components kick in and defeat it after the initial overwhelming. 
     

    A corollary theory to that is that higher total antibodies might mean less chance of breakthrough.  
     

    Just theories though

    Bevo

    Posted

    22 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

    Which re-raises my question.  There is an annual "variant" of the flu every year.  That is, the flu vaccine is different from one year to the next in terms of the exact virus it targets, but there's not a whole FDA approval process for each year's version.  So....how does that work, and could the COVID vaccine follow a similar path -- that is, it can be adjusted for new variants without having to do the whole long-term new approval process?

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4947948/

    Annual update of seasonal influenza vaccines

    To maintain effectiveness, the composition of seasonal influenza vaccines must be reviewed and updated periodically to include the most current HA antigens expressed by circulating influenza wild‐type viruses. This is a complex, lengthy process that requires extensive collaboration among influenza manufacturers, vaccine regulators, and global public health laboratories. The process begins with the recommendations, coordinated globally by the World Health Organization (WHO), for the virus strains to be included in the vaccine.4 The WHO recommendations for the Northern Hemisphere, which are based on recent global surveillance data available each February, provide a guide to national public health authorities and vaccine manufacturers for the development and production of influenza vaccines for the following winter influenza season. However, as noted in the WHO recommendations, it is the responsibility of each national regulatory authority to approve the composition and formulation of the vaccines used in that country. Each year, soon after the WHO Northern Hemisphere vaccine recommendations are finalized, the FDA convenes its Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee (VRBPAC), typically in late February or early March, to recommend the virus strains that should be included in FDA‐licensed influenza vaccines for the next winter influenza season in the United States.

    In the United States, licensed influenza vaccine manufacturers must submit a supplement to their license for review and obtain FDA approval before the updated version of the influenza vaccine containing new virus antigens can be distributed. Such supplements to inactivated and recombinant protein seasonal influenza vaccines do not require additional clinical data specific for the new strain. Supplements to the licensed live influenza virus vaccine require a study in approximately 300 adults prior to approval of the new strain to verify adequate attenuation. Manufacturing of influenza vaccine takes place over an approximately 6‐month time frame beginning prior to the VRBPAC strain selection and lasting until mid‐summer, when the trivalent or quadrivalent vaccine is formulated, filled, and distributed. The manufacturing timelines are tight and the process of producing influenza vaccine involves many sequential steps and overlapping processes. Even with technologic advancements, each of these steps and processes still requires time to complete, and there is limited flexibility in the timelines for manufacturing. A schematic diagram of the process and key steps is shown in Figure Figure11.

     

     

    Personally, I think it is risky with an mRNA vaccine. The new vaccine target could cause unforeseen problems like myocarditis and death. But, I do not like how the FDA handles diseases like COVID. If you wanted to select for better COVID strains, you would target a portion of a single variable gene in COVID. If you want to eradicate the disease, you would target multiple genes so the virus would have to mutate in multiple spots to remain viable. The FDA process makes targeting multiple genes difficult, however.

    Kringelbert Fishtybuns

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    1 hour ago, fluff said:
      Vaccine Last Shot  
    Fluff Moderna March  1154
    TexEx15 Moderna February 994
    KaiserSoze Moderna January 978
    JesusSweatDuck Wife Moderna April 1290
    Babysdaddy Pfizer March 714
    Liquor and Poker Pfizer February 587

     

    Thought I would see if there are any trends here...Let me know if I missed anyone and I will add them.

    Moderna/March/2115

    utee94

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    1 hour ago, fluff said:
      Vaccine Last Shot  
    Fluff Moderna March  1154
    TexEx15 Moderna February 994
    KaiserSoze Moderna January 978
    JesusSweatDuck Wife Moderna April 1290
    Babysdaddy Pfizer March 714
    Liquor and Poker Pfizer February 587

     

    Thought I would see if there are any trends here...Let me know if I missed anyone and I will add them.

    Ha!  I was doing the same thing but plotting it, then got sidetracked. Here's the data that includes conViNCEd and L&P's update on his own numbers (which seriously skews the Pfizer data and makes it impossible to plot a trendline).

     

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    utee94

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    DP

     

     

     

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    KaiserSoze

    Posted

    43 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

    I wonder if a higher than average antibody count would hint at a successfully fought off exposure/infection that triggered the war machine. 

     

    As part of this study they also test you for SARS-CoV-2 antibodies... I had none (which aligns with me not having been sick). 

    utee94

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    DP

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    Liquor and Poker

    Posted

    2 minutes ago, utee94 said:

    Ha!  I was doing the same thing but plotting it, then got sidetracked. Here's the data that includes conViNCEd and L&P's update on his own numbers (which seriously skews the Pfizer data and makes it impossible to plot a trendline).

     

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    Always an outlier

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    fluff

    Posted

    8 minutes ago, utee94 said:

    Ha!  I was doing the same thing but plotting it, then got sidetracked. Here's the data that includes conViNCEd and L&P's update on his own numbers (which seriously skews the Pfizer data and makes it impossible to plot a trendline).

     

    image.png.23e94b83fedcef87221d62d3452cb7a9.png

     

    Awesome, I will let you take it from here!!  Good stuff!

    LurkingHorn

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    1 hour ago, StruggleBus said:

    what the fuck GIF

     

    Most companies can't pay an invoice within thirty days. A 95 day timeline is incredible. 

    I'm just looking at the original timeline the vaccines were developed:

    Jan 11th - Genetic sequence of virus is released publicly

    Feb 24th - Moderna sends vaccine to NIH for testing

    March 16th - First volunteer gets the shot

    That is 65 days. I know there's probably some manufacturing challenges that would need to be addressed, but it also seems like you wouldn't need to have as much time waiting on testing for a fully approved vaccine. 

    babysdaddy

    Posted

    That chart needs to have time relativity.  My levels are 5 months post 2nd shot

    UTHornFan014

    Posted

    Just had blood drawn for the antibody test (4.5 months after 2nd Pfizer shot). Will report back in a few days

    atomheartbevo

    Posted

    1 hour ago, StruggleBus said:

    Most companies can't pay an invoice within thirty days. A 95 day timeline is incredible. 

    It is, but then FDA/CDC/etc. are all prioritizing anything related to that, and throwing money at the pharmas to get it done.

    And covid-19 has been studied extensively at this point.  

     

    atomheartbevo

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    1 hour ago, Sbbruin said:

    So I've been on Tigerdroppings a bit lately as we play them on 9/4.  They are losing their marbles over LSU's decision to mandate vaccines or negative tests to attend a game at Tiger Stadium.  

    Maybe they saw it as the 2021 version of a massive chicken pox party.

    utee94

    Posted

    10 minutes ago, babysdaddy said:

    That chart needs to have time relativity.  My levels are 5 months post 2nd shot

    All levels are "current."  The point is to note that the numbers are likely to be higher, the more recent the second shot.  It should decline, the further away in the past the second shot was.  And the data bears that out, aside from L&P's crazy outlier.

     

     

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    Brisketexan

    Posted

    20 minutes ago, babysdaddy said:

    That chart needs to have time relativity

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    tbone_

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    So I've been on Tigerdroppings a bit lately as we play them on 9/4.  They are losing their marbles over LSU's decision to mandate vaccines or negative tests to attend a game at Tiger Stadium.  

    But how hard is it really to fake a vaccine card?

    And who is really going to check them when being bum rushed by a billion mouth breathers at the gate?
    tbone_

    Posted

    Also, anyone laminating or putting their card in any sort of case? Seems like carrying that thing around and whipping it out on the reg will do it in quickly.

    Radical Larry

    Posted

    I have an electronic vax record from APH I keep on my phone.

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    DDD Dad

    Posted

    12 minutes ago, tbone_ said:

    Also, anyone laminating or putting their card in any sort of case? Seems like carrying that thing around and whipping it out on the reg will do it in quickly.

    I made a two-sided color photocopy of mine, which I laminated and keep in my wallet.  The original stays at home with my (other) passport.

    Foosters

    Posted

    Yeah, sounds like it depends on the jurisdiction, but I have an app on phone that when opened pulls up a QR code which reveals my vaccine dates and locations.

    The Dog

    Posted

    14 minutes ago, tbone_ said:

    Also, anyone laminating or putting their card in any sort of case? Seems like carrying that thing around and whipping it out on the reg will do it in quickly.

    take a picture of it and save on your phone. that's what I was told and have done.

    dcbc

    Posted

    3 hours ago, TexEx15 said:

    Just got mine back.  Second shot (Moderna) was beginning of February.  994.  

    How long did it take from blood draw to your getting the results?

    JesusSweatDuck

    Posted

    9 minutes ago, dcbc said:

    How long did it take from blood draw to your getting the results?

    24 hours or so

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    TexEx15

    Posted

    10 minutes ago, dcbc said:

    How long did it take from blood draw to your getting the results?

    Blood draw yesterday around lunch and results this morning.  If you have not already done so register your account on the CPL website.  Text response is a simple positive or negative.  Details including antibody number are on the web.

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    Cheeseweasel

    Posted

    2 hours ago, conVINCEd said:

    Not part of this study, but I had my 2nd Moderna shot in late April, caught a mild case of COVID in early June and was 1163 3 weeks ago.

    That sounds like a solid strategy...

    StruggleBus

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    35 minutes ago, JesusSweatDuck said:

     

    God fucking damn. I don't want to agree with that arkie piece of shit

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    JesusSweatDuck

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    3 minutes ago, StruggleBus said:

     

    God fucking damn. I don't want to agree with that arkie piece of shit

    I'll set aside decades of hate for a global pandemic

    tbone_

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    I'll set aside decades of hate for a global pandemic

    Works for me. Doesn’t make him not total failure at running a football team.
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    Pato del Muerto

    Posted

    2 minutes ago, JesusSweatDuck said:

    I'll set aside decades of hate for a global pandemic

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    Shaddie

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    A drunk, broken down clock is right twice a day.

    dcbc

    Posted

    Got my antibody test back. Pfizer. Second shot on 01/19/2021. Third shot 08/17/2021. Tested on 08/23/2021.

    Out of Range. >2,500. Outlier because of booster. But I will be able to track it over the next 6 months. No prior COVID infection.

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    Stella Link

    Posted

    6 minutes ago, dcbc said:

    Got my antibody test back. Pfizer. Second shot on 01/19/2021. Third shot 08/17/2021. Tested on 08/23/2021.

    Out of Range. >2,500. Outlier because of booster. But I will be able to track it over the next 6 months. No prior COVID infection.

    Lambda says hi....

    Shaddie

    Posted

    26 minutes ago, dcbc said:

    Got my antibody test back. Pfizer. Second shot on 01/19/2021. Third shot 08/17/2021. Tested on 08/23/2021.

    Out of Range. >2,500. Outlier because of booster. But I will be able to track it over the next 6 months. No prior COVID infection.

    Nice. Think I will go this weekend and get my 1st Pfizer. Wink wink. 
    Seriously though do pharmacies have both and they ask you or do you have to research where your previous is being administered?

    Samson's Wig

    Posted

    4 hours ago, StruggleBus said:

    Most companies can't pay an invoice within thirty days. A 95 day timeline is incredible. 

    I've spent most of my career training our customers that they either pay now or fuck off.  We're not a bank.  I suspect the companies that still insist on paying you when they feel like it are run by mouth breathing aggies with horse paste in their veins.  Get with the times or die on a ventilator.  We've managed to drag a few of the big boys into the modern era, to the chagrin of their accounting departments.

    Liquor and Poker

    Posted

    31 minutes ago, dcbc said:

    Got my antibody test back. Pfizer. Second shot on 01/19/2021. Third shot 08/17/2021. Tested on 08/23/2021.

    Out of Range. >2,500. Outlier because of booster. But I will be able to track it over the next 6 months. No prior COVID infection.

    So the third shot doesn’t have the two-week lagtime before it starts working?

    Zepol87

    Posted

    21 minutes ago, Shaddie said:

    Nice. Think I will go this weekend and get my 1st Pfizer. Wink wink. 
    Seriously though do pharmacies have both and they ask you or do you have to research where your previous is being administered?

    I finally convinced a family member to get the vaccine. They used CVS and the options were J&J or Moderna. Pfizer wasn't an option for them

    This was north DFW fyi

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    Shaddie

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    Just now, Zepol87 said:

    I finally convinced a family member to get the vaccine. They used CVS and the options were J&J or Moderna. Pfizer wasn't an option for them

    This was north DFW fyi

    Thanks

    Deej

    Posted

    51 minutes ago, dcbc said:

    Out of Range. >2,500.

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    Sawbonz

    Posted

    2 hours ago, DDD Dad said:

    I made a two-sided color photocopy of mine, which I laminated and keep in my wallet.  The original stays at home with my (other) passport.

    I just have them scan my arm

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    Shaddie

    Posted

    2 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

    I just have them scan my arm

    Problem with that is did guv website designers do the code or did private industry do the code. 
     

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    Sbbruin

    Posted

    6 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

    I just have them scan my arm

    Except the scanner will stick to your arm from all the magnets in your arm.

    faps

    Posted

    5 minutes ago, SizzleChest said:

    Meanwhile, in the Ozarks...

    Hail merry.

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    Shaddie

    Posted

    Thank God! 
     

    Just got a text from wife saying my Florida sister got her 1st vax today. 
    Me and my other sis have been working on her for awhile about it. Last week I texted “God made the scientists who made the vax” 

    I was never clear if it was religious or trump views for her reasons but I don’t care. Will keep slightly hounding her so hopefully she gets 2nd. 
     

    By the way I am agnostic so me saying that is just to appease the religious 

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    Shaddie

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    What is crazy about my sister, is she has had bad asthma since birth. 
    She and her husband were stationed in Spain about 1985 and she had bad attack and was hospitalized.  Me and my other sis went to Houston to get passports cause she might not make cause she was intubated. 
     

    You would think somebody who has been there would do anything not to be there again.  
    We need to absolutely kill this right wing bullshit that this is leftist or against freedumbs. 

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