COVID-19 vaccine discussion

27 minutes ago, immortal13 said:

Seems it was the other way around, asshat

So what’s the difference between a super pro count and an asshat? Which is better?

28 minutes ago, immortal13 said:

Seems it was the other way around, asshat

I’m not the one crying about how people who disagree with me aren’t quarantined to one board.

 

25 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

"I am vaxxed, and am pro-vax"....immediately preceding lockstep anti-vax tropes is the new "I can't be racist, I have black friends!"....which is then immediately followed by super-shitty racist stuff.

"Don't take this the wrong way...but..."

MUH APPENDIX, MUH RIGHTS!  You will not remove my analog incandescent freedoms and install your digital LED socialism! 

fify

Seems like a lot of you guys are bored in the Cloak Room so you need a new outlet. Why it needs to be here, I have no clue. Try talking about the vaccine instead of people and politics.

Here is the first post:

I thought it might be helpful to have a separate topic related to the vaccine.  If this is too much duplication, mods please delete this thread.  I thought it would be good to talk about who can get the vaccine, where they can get it, what side effects people are seeing, and in general what is going on with distribution.

The CDC has published vaccine distribution guidelines, and if you care, they are worth reading.  They are dividing the timeline into:

• Phase 1 - Potentially limited supply of COVID-19 vaccine doses available
• Phase 2 - Large number of vaccine doses available
• Phase 3 - Sufficient supply of vaccine doses for entire population

Who you are will determine if you are eligible for a vaccine in the various phases.

Phase 1 is divided into a Phase 1a and a Phase 1b:

• Phase 1a - Mostly healthcare workers
• Phase 1b - Other essential workers, people with higher risks, people over 65

If you are eligible to get the vaccine and they have in in stock and you want to get it, it is important to go get it.  Both of the first two vaccines can spoil, so if a dose is sitting there and you aren't there to get it, they might have to throw it away.

Both vaccines require two shots.  It is important to go get that second shot.

Who fits in phase 1b and who has to wait until phase 2 might be a sticking point.  The "people in higher risks" category includes a lot of folks, maybe more than you would think might be in that category.  Hopefully we can quickly get to phase 2 so that we don't spend too long arguing about who is or is not in Phase 1b.

Anyway, I'm interested in everyone's experience with the vaccine and especially getting the word out for those that can go get it, so that every dose ends up in an arm rather than in the trash.

This thread is reading like the offseason.

Just now, South Austin said:

This thread is reading like the offseason.

Yes, and unfortunately like our regular season.

It's like Coaches PK and Kyle Flood are in charge of the second half of our nation's vaccination efforts.

On 10/13/2021 at 2:00 PM, Liquor and Poker said:

So if I'm Pfizer 2x, is there any way to get a full dose moderna booster other than to pretend no vax?  If I do that, I'm a bit worried that a 3rd dose will become "mandatory" in some sense at one year (Jan for me) and I won't have gotten it or I will need to get effectively a 4th dose to comply

So in line with this question from last week - I got my first 2 shots at Methodist back in Jan/early Feb.  Today Methodist texts me and basically says "Why TF haven't you gotten a booster?  We show you're going to drop dead because it's been like forever and stuff.  What in the actual fuck is wrong with you? Go get one."

This is kind of what I was getting at about a Moderna UTR "booster" - officially I am going to go long time no shot and at some point institutions will notice and care. My magic vaccine passport will lose its fairy dust because it says I haven't gotten a shot in 10-11-12 months. I guess I can produce my new and improved Moderna one, but then that looks like I only got one shot.  Or produce both and I look like I bought cards from some chiropractor.

Wonder how big a deal it would be to get a Pfizer booster after the Moderna one and how close they can be?  Because that may be where this ends up going.

 

To honor those here who have fallen from the cloak room, yes I am a bit creeped out by the "surveillance," but that's not really the issue, dude.

 

Good. 5 more months and my second booster will be Moderna.

41 minutes ago, Jive Turkey said:

so based on this, if you had 2 Moderna doses in March, should you go ahead and get a booster and it doesn't matter if Pfizer or Moderna?

As I read it, for people initially receiving the Pfizer shots, the booster is not approved unless you fall into one of the covered categories (old, other health issues or work in a high risk environment).

Damnit. Moderna fully vaxxed with high antibodies and got it about a month ago from kid bringing it from school.

Over feeling bad in about 4 days with lingering cough and loss of smell. I'm still getting times every day where my chest feels heavy and throat feels weird. I don't feel bad per se, just that feeling when you're about to get a cold. Except it never really goes away. Frustrating.

6 minutes ago, FirstTimeCaller said:

Damnit. Moderna fully vaxxed with high antibodies and got it about a month ago from kid bringing it from school.

Over feeling bad in about 4 days with lingering cough and loss of smell. I'm still getting times every day where my chest feels heavy and throat feels weird. I don't feel bad per se, just that feeling when you're about to get a cold. Except it never really goes away. Frustrating.

Curious what your AB level was?

 

I think that the surly lab rats stopped tracking AB levels being reported, but curious is we continue to mount evidence that spike AB titers are not a consistent indicator. 

1600. I would have been perfect on an SAT.

Wife had close to 1200 and didn't catch it.

19 minutes ago, FirstTimeCaller said:

Damnit. Moderna fully vaxxed with high antibodies and got it about a month ago from kid bringing it from school.

Over feeling bad in about 4 days with lingering cough and loss of smell. I'm still getting times every day where my chest feels heavy and throat feels weird. I don't feel bad per se, just that feeling when you're about to get a cold. Except it never really goes away. Frustrating.

 Sorry to hear that. Hope it goes away soon.

24 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Curious what your AB level was?

 

I think that the surly lab rats stopped tracking AB levels being reported, but curious is we continue to mount evidence that spike AB titers are not a consistent indicator. 

Viral load, Cheech.  Viral load.

7 minutes ago, SizzleChest said:

Viral load, Cheech.  Viral load.

Would make total sense. @FirstTimeCaller any big differences in the level of interaction or exposure that you had vs. your wife during the course of your kiddo's illness? Hope y'all are on the mend.  Be thankful that having an immune system primed via vaccination to respond to this shit greatly lowers the risk of serious outcomes and further transmission. 

Edited October 21, 2021 by Anastasis

My 7 yr old son tested positive today, woke up with a fever and upset stomach.

 He literally sneezed in my face while giving me a hug good night Monday night.  Guess we are going to test the efficacy of Moderna from end of April.

6 hours ago, Incredulity said:

My 7 yr old son tested positive today, woke up with a fever and upset stomach.

 He literally sneezed in my face while giving me a hug good night Monday night.  Guess we are going to test the efficacy of Moderna from end of April.

Hope your kid does okay.

And let us know how you fare. I know it’s only one anecdotal piece of evidence, but I’d love to hear if you get a breakthrough infection in that factual situation. Even if you don’t have any symptoms, you should get tested to see if you have a breakthrough asymptomatic case. And I got Moderna’d in early March with an unvaccinated kid under 12, so this interests me.

10 hours ago, Anastasis said:

Would make total sense. @FirstTimeCaller any big differences in the level of interaction or exposure that you had vs. your wife during the course of your kiddo's illness? Hope y'all are on the mend.  Be thankful that having an immune system primed via vaccination to respond to this shit greatly lowers the risk of serious outcomes and further transmission. 

Nope. If anything, she spends more time with the kid. He was fine. Slight temp one evening. Next morning had a slight temp and made a couple of barking coughs and we checked him to be sure. He was positive. Within a day he was perfectly fine. 

Meanwhile a month later I'm still feeling it. I'm going to write a letter to Joe Biden and ask for my money back on the vaccine. 

1 hour ago, South Austin said:

Hope your kid does okay.

And let us know how you fare. I know it’s only one anecdotal piece of evidence, but I’d love to hear if you get a breakthrough infection in that factual situation. Even if you don’t have any symptoms, you should get tested to see if you have a breakthrough asymptomatic case. And I got Moderna’d in early March with an unvaccinated kid under 12, so this interests me.

Thanks.

Rest of family tested negative.  I am testing today. No symptoms for me yet. Son was pretty lethargic all day with fever around 100-101.  
 

Funny story, we asked him to take his temperature with the non-contact infrared thermometer around 8pm.  He said, “112”.  Wife and I both bolted for his room and I grabbed the thermometer out of his hand in a panic.  It was 101.2.

Edited October 21, 2021 by Incredulity

34 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

Thanks.

Rest of family tested negative.  I am testing today. No symptoms for me yet. Son was pretty lethargic all day with fever around 100-101.  
 

Funny story, we asked him to take his temperature with the non-contact infrared thermometer around 8pm.  He said, “112”.  Wife and I both bolted for his room and I grabbed the thermometer out of his hand in a panic.  It was 101.2.

Yeah, best wishes on your boy.  And that "112" would have scared the living shit outta me.  And it's exactly what my 6yo would say, "Uh, it says 108 Daddy."  AHHHHHH, oh wait, 100 point 8.  

I'll be behind you in the testing line today.  Folks I went to the game with, apparently one of them tested positive and he was a Close Talker...so off I go again.  I thought at the very least, as a society, if we couldn't be kinder to one another...this Pandemic would at least make Close Talkers feel bad about themselves.  But nope, it's like they're making up for lost time.  Plus he had an adult onset lateral lisp, so extra saliva in every syllable.  I gotta find a new group of drunks to watch games with.  

Edited October 21, 2021 by Lobo

39 minutes ago, Lobo said:

I gotta find a new group of drunks to watch games with.  

But geez, where are you gonna find one of THOSE around here?

1 hour ago, Lobo said:

Yeah, best wishes on your boy.  And that "112" would have scared the living shit outta me.  And it's exactly what my 6yo would say, "Uh, it says 108 Daddy."  AHHHHHH, oh wait, 100 point 8.  

I'll be behind you in the testing line today.  Folks I went to the game with, apparently one of them tested positive and he was a Close Talker...so off I go again.  I thought at the very least, as a society, if we couldn't be kinder to one another...this Pandemic would at least make Close Talkers feel bad about themselves.  But nope, it's like they're making up for lost time.  Plus he had an adult onset lateral lisp, so extra saliva in every syllable.  I gotta find a new group of drunks to watch games with.  

4 hours ago, South Austin said:

Hope your kid does okay.

And let us know how you fare. I know it’s only one anecdotal piece of evidence, but I’d love to hear if you get a breakthrough infection in that factual situation. Even if you don’t have any symptoms, you should get tested to see if you have a breakthrough asymptomatic case. And I got Moderna’d in early March with an unvaccinated kid under 12, so this interests me.

I don't know if you can read anything into it. In 2020, my brother and his wife picked up their daughter from camp. They kissed her hello and drove her home (4 hr. drive). She said she wasn't feeling well. They got her tested and got the results 3 days later. No one else in the family caught it. OTOH, an elderly guy had a birthday party in 2020 - someone was positive at the party - and all the elderly friends at the party caught it.

7 minutes ago, Bevo said:

I don't know if you can read anything into it. In 2020, my brother and his wife picked up their daughter from camp. They kissed her hello and drove her home (4 hr. drive). She said she wasn't feeling well. They got her tested and got the results 3 days later. No one else in the family caught it. OTOH, an elderly guy had a birthday party in 2020 - someone was positive at the party - and all the elderly friends at the party caught it.

It's is mind fucking.

I tested negative.  Son is doing much better, very low grade fever 99.7. We are basically bribing him to stay in the play room isolated with unlimited TV time.  I don't know how long that will be possible.

Last December I spent 5 or 6 hours hanging out grilling and drinking with my brother 2 days before he tested positive.   I have given up guessing.

 

I am staying away from work for rest of week and testing on Monday prior to going in.(pretty sure test after 5-7 days is CDC guidance for fully vax exposure).  Assuming no symptoms develop.  

 

 

 

17 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

It's is mind fucking.

I tested negative.  Son is doing much better, very low grade fever 99.7. We are basically bribing him to stay in the play room isolated with unlimited TV time.  I don't know how long that will be possible.

Last December I spent 5 or 6 hours hanging out grilling and drinking with my brother 2 days before he tested positive.   I have given up guessing.

 

I am staying away from work for rest of week and testing on Monday prior to going in.(pretty sure test after 5-7 days is CDC guidance for fully vax exposure).  Assuming no symptoms develop.  

 

 

 

Had the same last Thanksgiving.  Sat next to someone at the dinner table and interacted with unmasked for 4+ hours.  Didn't get it, nor did anyone else.

41 minutes ago, Bevo said:

I don't know if you can read anything into it. In 2020, my brother and his wife picked up their daughter from camp. They kissed her hello and drove her home (4 hr. drive). She said she wasn't feeling well. They got her tested and got the results 3 days later. No one else in the family caught it. OTOH, an elderly guy had a birthday party in 2020 - someone was positive at the party - and all the elderly friends at the party caught it.

The message is to not get older. That's the vaccine they need to work harder on

On 10/13/2021 at 5:43 PM, Redneck Mutha said:

Thanks for posting.  I mentioned upthread that I got J&J back in early Mar, Texas CARES results in early Sep showed antibodies of only 40.  Talked to my doc, he advised starting over from scratch with Moderna.  Got my first Moderna, with some ass-kicking side effects, in mid-Sep.  Second Moderna scheduled next week.

The results from that study make me feel much better about my situation. 

Second Moderna yesterday.  Aches and pains woke me up a few times through the night and still have some aches today (18 hrs later).  Seems to be getting better and side effects not nearly as bad as first.  

Next Cares draw I think is 6 weeks-ish from now, will report back results.

CDC panel unanimously endorses Moderna and J. & J. boosters for millions of Americans (msn.com)

 

Wife and I will be getting ours as soon as they are available

Edited October 21, 2021 by WillUSAF

I signed up for my Pfizer booster today.  Will go in at 8:30 in the AM on November 18th.  That is just shy of 6 months past my second dose.

My folks are coming up to NYC to see me for Thanksgiving.  They got the J&J shot in March. I am trying to convince them to get a booster in the next couple of weeks so that they are two weeks from the booster when they fly.

6 minutes ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

I signed up for my Pfizer booster today.  Will go in at 8:30 in the AM on November 18th.  That is just shy of 6 months past my second dose.

My folks are coming up to NYC to see me for Thanksgiving.  They got the J&J shot in March. I am trying to convince them to get a booster in the next couple of weeks so that they are two weeks from the booster when they fly.

From what I have been seeing the Moderna gives the greatest protection when you mix and match. We also got the J&J. But it doesn't really matter just as long as we can get the booster.

Pfizer pediatric data has been posted on FDA site:

https://www.fda.gov/media/153409/download

 

My son has no fever and is bouncing off the walls.  God help us.

Wow!  0.028 (1461)!  I had no idea. That's  . . . a number.

1 hour ago, Anastasis said:

LOL at that confidence interval on the Dose 1 to Dose 2 group.  I'm still shocked the number of participants was that low given the myocarditis concerns in younger males.  

My son has no fever and is bouncing off the walls.  God help us.

When my 8YO had it a few weeks back, we let her go out in the backyard to play. That made a huge difference. It was a long fucking 10 days.

Just now, Dontshootrude said:

LOL at that confidence interval on the Dose 1 to Dose 2 group.  I'm still shocked the number of participants was that low given the myocarditis concerns in younger males.  

Heh, I didn't even notice that.

The safety analysis set had larger sample size.  The original enrolled N=2,250 (median follow-up of 2 months) and the supplemental safety data from another N=2,250 (median fu 2.4 weeks). The latter sample was an add requested by the FDA and which has delayed the ability to move forward with consideration of the EUA for kids. They did not detect any cases of myocarditis in the study. Which is shocking since the projected myocarditis rate is like 1 in 50,000. No study was ever going to be sufficiently sized to detect such a rare event. Post marketing surveillance will have to take that up. But glad we wasted a couple more months on regulatory masturbation. 

26 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Heh, I didn't even notice that.

The safety analysis set had larger sample size.  The original enrolled N=2,250 (median follow-up of 2 months) and the supplemental safety data from another N=2,250 (median fu 2.4 weeks). The latter sample was an add requested by the FDA and which has delayed the ability to move forward with consideration of the EUA for kids. They did not detect any cases of myocarditis in the study. Which is shocking since the projected myocarditis rate is like 1 in 50,000. No study was ever going to be sufficiently sized to detect such a rare event. Post marketing surveillance will have to take that up. But glad we wasted a couple more months on regulatory masturbation. 

Masturbation is never a waste.  Monty Python lied.

I'm due for my booster this weekend. I got Pfizer for the first two shots. Is the science saying a Moderna booster is better than a third Pfizer shot?

54 minutes ago, Radical Larry said:

 

Yeah, that pic looks exactly like the booster I got.  I was worried for a while that it looked a little janky, so thanks for calming those fears.

Just now, Orale said:

I'm due for my booster this weekend. I got Pfizer for the first two shots. Is the science saying a Moderna booster is better than a third Pfizer shot?

It's definitely indicating that a full Moderna shot is better - not sure about the half-dose booster.

Saga continues.

11 yr old daughter developed fever this afternoon.  Tested positive.

Wife ( no fever, fully vaccinated) tested positive when she took daughter to get tested.  She was complaining about feeling “off”. 
 

Nothing for me yet.  Although every cough or tingle brings the thought.  Interested to see how I test Monday AM.

Son is driving everyone nuts, so very much back to normal.

Edited October 22, 2021 by Incredulity

 

On 10/22/2021 at 7:46 PM, Incredulity said:

Son is driving everyone nuts, so very much back to normal.

I feel this deeply. My whole house caught it over the summer — two breakthroughs and one preschooler. The preschooler was 100% better in about two days and ready to go crazy; I was mostly normal in about a week and my wife was worn out for about two weeks.

I was glad and relieved that he bounced back so easily, but a slower recovery would have been good for household sanity during those two weeks.

Moderna second shot 4/9 and no idea about antibody levels. Felt tired Wednesday, but figured it was from staying up and having a couple of beers during Astros game. Felt “off” Thursday, but no fever. So I wore a mask and went to work. That night I spiked a temperature of about 102. Tylenol/ibuprofen kept it under control as I stayed home Friday with fever, chills, and body aches (felt just like I felt after second Moderna shot, but didn’t think about it next day).
 

 Anyway, fever broke and chills body aches went away Friday night so I figured must have had a little bug. Woke up Saturday feeling normal until my wife tells me she used too much bleach cleaning in the morning and couldn’t get smell out of her hands. I couldn’t smell it. I couldn’t smell anything. About an hour later I couldn’t taste anything other than being able to distinguish between salt and sweet. Still felt great, but took an at home test. It was quickly positive (rest of family tested negative). 
 

I still feel fine now other than taste/smell stuff. Without the taste/smell stuff, I probably wouldn’t have tested because the symptoms came and went so quickly. 
 

I’m a teacher in a rural district with an anti-mask school board. So I’m sure I picked it up from one of my students. But luckily, they also took away paid covid time when they took away the masks so I get to use my own days off while I quarantine the rest of the week. 
 

But the shot did its job I guess. I feel fine. Only had one day of symptoms so far. And never had any breathing/chest stuff. Sucks to not be able to taste/smell and to lose a week of classroom time as well as use my days. But it is what it is. Here’s to hoping no one in the family gets it and I remain fever symptom free (other than taste/smell).