COVID-19 vaccine discussion

11 minutes ago, Buzzrock said:

That hasn’t been my experience. The highest ranking person in our office hasn’t gotten it because he “never gets sick” and he feels the vaccine was rushed. He’s sharp and a good leader. Definitely not a Trumper.

There are trends in the unvaxxed population but it’s not a monolithic block. Something like 40% of healthcare workers aren’t vaccinated.

My buddy is a radiologist for a sizable group in Houston. The head doc in his entire group is openly unvaccinated. He’s skeptical of the new technology. He said he would make fun of him, but he doesn’t want to get fired. 

Also an extremely successful orthopod here refuses to get vaccinated. He’s a bit different though. Rumor is he has talked blocking 5G at his house. He brings a lot of money in though so I would bet he won’t be forced to comply  

 

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1 minute ago, Muy Frio said:

My buddy is a radiologist for a sizable group in Houston. The head doc in his entire group is openly unvaccinated. He said he would make fun of him, but he doesn’t want to get fired. 

Well I for one am shocked that you know so many people who should know better but are still hesitant. Birds of a feather flock together

Jew didn’t? Hebrews this kind of shit up constantly. 

Israel annoying when you guys do this.

1 minute ago, Captainant said:

Well I for one am shocked that you know so many people who should know better but are still hesitant. Birds of a feather flock together

Friend’s boss? Never met the guy 

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8 minutes ago, Muy Frio said:

My buddy is a radiologist for a sizable group in Houston. The head doc in his entire group is openly unvaccinated. He’s skeptical of the new technology. He said he would make fun of him, but he doesn’t want to get fired. 

Also an extremely successful orthopod here refuses to get vaccinated. He’s a bit different though. Rumor is he has talked blocking 5G at his house. He brings a lot of money in though so I would bet he won’t be forced to comply  

 

Overwhelmingly, this seems to be surgical subspecialist and people who don't deal directly with Covid patients. Maybe they should pull a shift in the ICU or ED.  The radiologist frankly shocks me. It's hard not to be a believer when you have looked at hundreds of Covid pneumonia chest x rays and CTs of the chest.

You’ve done it now Brat

3 minutes ago, Buzzrock said:

You’ve done it now Brat

I posted it because that video is going around and the antivaxxer nutters have latched onto it.

I have not watched it all, but would like to hear rebuttals:critiques from the real doctors here.

 

 

7 minutes ago, Armybrat said:

I posted it because that video is going around and the antivaxxer nutters have latched onto it.

I have not watched it all, but would like to hear rebuttals:critiques from the real doctors here.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Useful_idiot

my rebuttal is that it's entitled "Red Pilled" which already means its aimed at people that are stuck at 8th grade education.

32 minutes ago, Armybrat said:

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I spent 30 seconds on google and determined Dr. Robert Malone is not the inventor of the mRNA vaccine.

Just now, 4th and 5 said:

I spent 30 seconds on google and determined Dr. Robert Malone is not the inventor of the mRNA vaccine.

No wait this is not what we meant when we said do your own research

17 minutes ago, OneOfTheOutOfFocusGuys said:

my rebuttal is that it's entitled "Red Pilled" which already means its aimed at people that are stuck at 8th grade education.

There's just no reason to sort through that drivel to refute it. Here, try this instead : No sign COVID vaccine spike protein is toxic

4.5 billion doses administered. Four point five. Billion. 

You’ve done it now Brat

Brat is doing God’s work, and while not a believer himself, is spreading the Gospel of Saint Charles of Darwin.

I spent 30 seconds on google and determined Dr. Robert Malone is not the inventor of the mRNA vaccine.

Are you or aren’t you sitting on the shitter?

53 minutes ago, Chewbacca said:

2 hours ago, slorch said:

The "We need to see your papers" crowd is strange as fuck, too.
Seriously strange, considering the past.

Nobody except Abbott wants to stop you in your car to check your papers. In talking about having to show them to do fun stuff. I wish it hadn't come to this, but it has.

I agree.  Aside from the political back and forth, in which I have admittedly participated,  how do we get past that and have a unifying message of need/ concern/ action that folks can support?   Hell, even on here, supposedly a bastion of education and forward thinking, there’s a shit-ton of finger pointing and disdain for ‘ that other sumbeech.’

How do we get to ‘ Take the vaccine because it’s the right thing to do?’

Is coercion the only path that gets us there, and it might be… unfortunately.

3 minutes ago, slorch said:

I agree.  Aside from the political back and forth, in which I have admittedly participated,  how do we get past that and have a unifying message of need/ concern/ action that folks can support?   Hell, even on here, supposedly a bastion of education and forward thinking, there’s a shit-ton of finger pointing and disdain for ‘ that other sumbeech.’

How do we get to ‘ Take the vaccine because it’s the right thing to do?’

Is coercion the only path that gets us there, and it might be… unfortunately.

the vaccination rates for an enormous swath of the country despite all the information we have on their effectiveness points to yes.

I spent 30 seconds on google and determined Dr. Robert Malone is not the inventor of the mRNA vaccine.

Same. Apparently he clarified that he invented the platform, not the vaccines themselves. Not sure if that’s splitting hairs or what.

I did read a short op ed of his (before realizing it was him) that questioned the goal of vaxxing everyone vs just vaxxing the vulnerable. The idea was to let the immune systems of the not-vulnerable do their work to create a more hostile environment for mutants. It was an interesting read at least.

4 minutes ago, slorch said:

I agree.  Aside from the political back and forth, in which I have admittedly participated,  how do we get past that and have a unifying message of need/ concern/ action that folks can support?   Hell, even on here, supposedly a bastion of education and forward thinking, there’s a shit-ton of finger pointing and disdain for ‘ that other sumbeech.’

How do we get to ‘ Take the vaccine because it’s the right thing to do?’

Is coercion the only path that gets us there, and it might be… unfortunately.

wonder if $1000 tax free would move the needle for those in opposition?

7 minutes ago, Txzen said:

There's just no reason to sort through that drivel to refute it. Here, try this instead : No sign COVID vaccine spike protein is toxic

4.5 billion doses administered. Four point five. Billion. 

Yeah but all 4.5 billion could just fall over dead 10 years and 6 months after getting the vaccine. And you won’t know it until 10 years from now!

10 hours ago, wood said:

Are boosters easy to get right now for people who've already been vaxxed? Wife (no pics) & I got Moderna, but my boys got the Pfizer. (apologize in advance for my ignorance)

Talk to your doctor about a booster. The only thing I've heard is that high risk people (olds, etc.) may need a booster. 

Also, it appears the Moderna is better against Delta only due to being a higher dose (1 mL vs. 0.6 mL). if that's the case then just another Pfizer may be the solution for most, but I'm no doctor.

15 minutes ago, Txzen said:

There's just no reason to sort through that drivel to refute it. Here, try this instead : No sign COVID vaccine spike protein is toxic

4.5 billion doses administered. Four point five. Billion. 

nevermind that we are blessed with choice even in our vaccines! You don't have to get an mRNA vax! There's J&J available! For fucks sake.

These people just want any reason within reach to go full toddler.

2 hours ago, Pato del Muerto said:

I can answer that for him. The state telling local authorities what they can’t do is bad government overreach. Or maybe it’s patriotism. Shrugs. 

I’m sure he’s never had a problem taking his shoes off at the airport. 

16 hours ago, Chewbacca said:

FAA should mandate vaccines for all customer facing employees of airlines.  And require vaccinations for the public to fly.  

I'm done with the carrot.  Too many fucking stupid people in this country have shown us that the carrot doesn't work for ~40% of the country.  It's time for the stick.  No vaccine, no flying.  No vaccine, no movies.  No vaccine, no gyms or restaurants.

 

At this point all of you...ALL of you are breaking the time honored axiom of

You can't argue with an idiot.

Stop arguing, debunking, fighting, whatever.  You can't win.  

19 minutes ago, The Dog said:

Talk to your doctor about a booster. The only thing I've heard is that high risk people (olds, etc.) may need a booster. 

Also, it appears the Moderna is better against Delta only due to being a higher dose (1 mL vs. 0.6 mL). if that's the case then just another Pfizer may be the solution for most, but I'm no doctor.

Axios spinning out the fear-mongering today - https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-vaccines-pfizer-moderna-delta-biden-e9be4bb0-3d10-4f56-8054-5410be357070.html

Axios has proven to be one strange outfit. 

1 hour ago, Armybrat said:

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This is the shit my qanon in-law sends me.

She and her bf claim the "vaxxed" are making them sick.  

 

For those of you struggling with people who won't get vaccinated, look at these heuristics:

• Law of Small Numbers

• Availability Heuristic

• Confirmation Bias

• Priming

• Cognitive Ease

• Coherent Stories

• Confirmation Bias

• Conjunction Fallacy

• Overestimating Rare Events

I know that's a lot to digest, but I see all of these in the folks I know who are anti-vaccine.  I see a lot of small numbers, availability, priming, and conjunction fallacy in particular, but the others come into play as well.

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1 hour ago, Armybrat said:

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Stop posting misinformation you cunts.

17 minutes ago, Liquor and Poker said:

Axios spinning out the fear-mongering today - https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-vaccines-pfizer-moderna-delta-biden-e9be4bb0-3d10-4f56-8054-5410be357070.html

Axios has proven to be one strange outfit. 

What sucks about Anti-vaxxers is that there is real stuff that needs to be studied.  But you can't say anything perceived as negative about a vaccine because you know the nutters are going to run with it as the key most important irrefutable data point. 

5 minutes ago, OneOfTheOutOfFocusGuys said:

What sucks about Anti-vaxxers is that there is real stuff that needs to be studied.  But you can't say anything perceived as negative about a vaccine because you know the nutters are going to run with it as the key most important irrefutable data point. 

anti vaxxers aren't the reason you can't say anything negative about the vaccine.

46 minutes ago, NOMAAA said:

wonder if $1000 tax free would move the needle for those in opposition?

Pictures of Ben Franklin are doing the trick here in Minnesota.

 

 

16 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

For those of you struggling with people who won't get vaccinated, look at these heuristics:

• Law of Small Numbers

• Availability Heuristic

• Confirmation Bias

• Priming

• Cognitive Ease

• Coherent Stories

• Confirmation Bias

• Conjunction Fallacy

• Overestimating Rare Events

I know that's a lot to digest, but I see all of these in the folks I know who are anti-vaccine.  I see a lot of small numbers, availability, priming, and conjunction fallacy in particular, but the others come into play as well.

You said confirmation bias twice.

 

 

7 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

anti vaxxers aren't the reason you can't say anything negative about the vaccine.

more specifically: anti-vaxxers taking any tiny tidbit of info out of context and misrepresenting it to build into more misinformation campaigns is why. Which is in turned amplified by the dcar's and slorch's and GRUhorn's of the internet as "see, a reasonable person could NOT get vaccinated, just look at what people are saying out there"

 

It's a remarkably similar strategy to another disinformation campaign that's tearing the country apart.

1 minute ago, Captainant said:

more specifically: anti-vaxxers taking any tiny tidbit of info out of context and misrepresenting it to build into more misinformation campaigns is why. Which is in turned amplified by the dcar's and slorch's and GRUhorn's of the internet as "see, a reasonable person could NOT get vaccinated, just look at what people are saying out there"

 

It's a remarkably similar strategy to another disinformation campaign that's tearing the country apart.

again, anti vaxxers aren't the reason someone can't say something negative about the vaccine or posit that something needs to be looked at in regards to the vax based on some data.

15 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

anti vaxxers aren't the reason you can't say anything negative about the vaccine.

It's the microchip.  It prevents any negative commentary.  If you don't get vaccinated, you remain free to express your opinions.

13 minutes ago, utee94 said:

You said confirmation bias twice.

 

 

I liiiiike comfirmation bias.

I agree.  Aside from the political back and forth, in which I have admittedly participated,  how do we get past that and have a unifying message of need/ concern/ action that folks can support?   Hell, even on here, supposedly a bastion of education and forward thinking, there’s a shit-ton of finger pointing and disdain for ‘ that other sumbeech.’
How do we get to ‘ Take the vaccine because it’s the right thing to do?’
Is coercion the only path that gets us there, and it might be… unfortunately.

The carrot has failed for 30-40% of the country. Time for the stick.

Anything involving the Weinstein brothers (Eric & Bret) starts to fall into questionable beliefs. They're both highly educated but they seem to latch onto weird ideas. And with Eric, you fall into the Peter Thiel world with his billions to financially back any ideas.

18 minutes ago, DDD Dad said:

It's the microchip.  It prevents any negative commentary.  If you don't get vaccinated, you remain free to express your opinions.

exactly. the microchip routes your thoughts via 5G to MSFT/Google/Facebook for censorship.

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34 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Stop posting misinformation you cunts.

Did you read my post #5909?

I was seeking rebuttal for a nutter who posted it on another board.

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Did you read my post #5909?

I was seeking rebuttal for a nutter who posted it on another board.

wait...you are expecting reading and comprehension?   you know which board you are on right?

11 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

sensorship.

Does it come with a subscription to grammarly?

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33 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

anti vaxxers aren't the reason you can't say anything negative about the vaccine.

Okay, people who think horse paste will cure what ails them are the reason why we have a hard time discussing anything that's not 100% positive about vaccines.

17 hours ago, sidis said:

@crimsonlonghorn, i am asking here so as to not clutter the gun thread with an irrelevant and unncessary tangent.  this thread seems more appropriate and relevant.  i am familiar enough with your historical posts to know that i don't agree with you on basically anything.  but i am actually curious about your response to this because i am genuinely trying to get my head around the way people like you are currently perceiving the world.  in the surly gun thread, you said the following:

 

then fondren&main asked you if you had received the vaccine and you said this:

 

 

i am genuinely curious with what you are "wrestling with" on this.  i am trying to understand how your thought process.  imagine the logic of this dialogue...

all legitimate doctors: crimson, you should get the vaccine to mitigate the severity of the effects if you get covid and to try and mitigate the transmission of covid.

crimson: no. "reasons."

later...

crimson: it hurts, please let me come live in your workplace for a week.  i will do whatever you tell me and take whatever you tell me to save my life.  please let me live in the hospital for a week and please save my life.

doctors and nurses:  after a week worth of treatement and saving crimson's life without crimson questioning anything the dr. did, if you would have had the vaccine, we likely could have avoided all of this.

crimson: hmmm, i'm still "wrestling with this."

while my dialogue is flippant and dismissive of your thought process prior to getting sick, i genuinely want to understand why it is you still think it was something worth wrestling with when all the people that you put at risk to save your life told you what you should have done.  can you please elaborate on what it is you are wrestling with? it might be instructive.

 

still very genuinely interested in your elaboration on this if you're willing to share, @crimsonlonghorn.

1 minute ago, sidis said:

 

still very genuinely interested in your elaboration on this if you're willing to share, @crimsonlonghorn.

you need to pop the lure a bit better or maybe switch to live bait.

1 minute ago, dcar00 said:

you need to pop the lure a bit better or maybe switch to live bait.

If crimson is for bama, try stink bait. 

3 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

you need to pop the lure a bit better or maybe switch to live bait.

i'm actually interested.  i want to hear how his brain works on this.  but if i gum up the gun thread with it, there will be whining from all the morons who want to cr up the thread that i'm cr'ing up the thread.

46 minutes ago, Armybrat said:

Did you read my post #5909?

I was seeking rebuttal for a nutter who posted it on another board.

This is before and after the vaccine.   Or maybe it's after and before.  Can't remember.