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This is a strategic failure, but everything being talked about here is tactical. How do Dems deal with a candidate that voters are rapidly losing faith in due to his public appearances as a frail and increasingly not lucid old man? With where Biden is at, there were no good options after the debate. Pretend it didn't happen and stay the course, say thanks but drop him like a hot potato. Those are all shitty options with no guarantee of election success no matter how vociferously anyone here wants to argue them. There was no unity for any of the courses of action because the Dems had strategically blundered badly enough to only leave themselves with shitty choices. The only good choice was a strategic one that would have had to be made 4 years ago: pair Joe with a rising star moderate with upside, use Joe's first term to make them look great, then let Joe hand them the reigns before any primaries this year. Instead, Joe was paired with a person who many here claim is unelectable due to their hue and gender, that person was put in the witness protection program for the last 4 years, Joe was allowed to say fuck it lets make it a twofer, and then he was allowed to have the political equivalent of a stroke on national TV. That is why we are where we are. If you need someone to blame, here are the people responsible. Your champions of democracy, the Democratic Party:

I think there are valid strategic reasons to not drop out today and let the Republicans focus on the new candidate at the RNC where they have the mic and the country's attention. Which means the Dems are likely just stupidly counting their belly button hairs before making a decision here.

I'm confident the Dems will beat them on the draw.

15 of those are Lindsey Graham socks.

I'm pretty sure it's time to change the thread title again.

It takes a special type of person to want to be the figurehead for what's happening. Most would be a guilt and anxiety ridden mess at this point.

Shhh, I’m recruiting a stone cold killah.

One good thing about recent events are more and more “ordinary people” are taking note that shit is getting really weird and really scary. They are starting to seek an understanding, as we all are, of exactly wtf is going on. I welcome their arrival to political awareness and involvement. The country needs them.

Damn, RINO's.

I get that some people are, I still hope there is an off ramp before any of us or our loved ones become caught up in a civil war. 750,000 dead the first time around. I wonder how many casualties we’d see with modern weaponry? All of which reminds me, anyone seen @Brisketexan lately?

Yep, unless you are team Civil War, you don’t want to see this and the escalation that follows.

Guy outside the rally that says he encountered the shooter and he basically alleges the SS was in on it. Who knows what is real.

This thread is pretty pointless now. Everyone's regurgitating the same takes, myself included. Nobody's mind is being changed, and no one here has any real insight or pull to influence what the Democratic party does. Its not even a debate about what the best course of action is anymore. It's about having a refuge so as to maintain morale and having reinforcement that everything is on track. If ya'll need that, who am I to deny it? My only hope is that the people that do have insight and influence are acting accordingly and making the best decisions. That they seem pretty non committal and divided on Joe's future does not instill confidence in me that things are under control and going according to plan. That also aligns with what I've personally witnessed from Biden at the debate and yesterday. But hey, by all means, keep the faith.

Nominate a sharp moderate under the age of 65. Done.

You can certainly base your loss on them.

Yes. Kamala.

If two bad candidates that no one wants are shoved down independent's throats, do they even live in a democracy? I'm guessing they probably wind up doing their own research to find the answer on YouTube.

What’s the current bag limit on messengers, Dems?

Dems running against everyone talk not going away.

Dems white knighting their party against centrist, middle of the road voters who are begging for someone to have faith in is a sure path to victory. I wish Eisenhower had been smart enough to tell Canada and Britain to fuck off in the lead up to D-Day…

We'll see if Biden can consistently avoid reminding people that his mental acuity is fading fast and that he has no business being President except due to the alternative. If he can and wins, then you will prove to be right. If he can't and loses, then you will prove to be wrong, and we'll look back at this time and wish a change was made. I don't care which path the dems take personally, except that they choose the right one. Given where they have maneuvered themselves with Biden, I have no confidence in their ability to navigate a straight line, let alone a winner takes all election. We'll see.

They view that as a guaranteed loss based on their interactions with the President and internal polling data. Maybe they are right, maybe they are wrong. I don't know. Neither do you.

Never has so much been shouldered by so few brain worms.