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That sounds much more realistic. Most places are not really taking any mitigation efforts. Mask usage is really low, even with the threat of Delta. That plus schools opening across the country with no mask mandates are going to extend Delta into the fall.

Zero chance. We're ~ 1 month behind Israel and they are still climbing, or at their peak. They've been hovering around 4,000 cases a day for a few days. https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/coronavirus-in-israel-3843-new-cases-379-percent-of-tests-return-positive-676024 Same with hospitalizations, look at the graph @Anastasis posted. Those trail by ~2 weeks, but they are showing an exponential increase for unvaccinated hospitalizations. This is going to get uglier, before it gets better. I really hope I'm wrong.

Cross-posted from DT The UK upgraded the risk of Delta July 23 due to an increased chance of re-infection over Alpha. At least equivalent CFR to Alpha, but they have low confidence in that number due to a small sample. https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1005395/23_July_2021_Risk_assessment_for_SARS-CoV-2_variant_Delta.pdf Public Health England is widely being cited as saying Delta is 46% more likely to re-infect previously infected than Alpha , but I can't actually find where it's written in their reports, so take it with a grain of salt for now just in case. https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/delta-public-health-england-jenny-harries-india-kent-b947397.html https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/23/phe-upgrade-delta-variants-risk-level-due-to-reinfection-risk

The UK upgraded the risk of Delta July 23 due to an increased chance of re-infection over Alpha. At least equivalent CFR to Alpha, but they have low confidence in that number due to a small sample. https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1005395/23_July_2021_Risk_assessment_for_SARS-CoV-2_variant_Delta.pdf Public Health England is widely being cited as saying Delta is 46% more likely to re-infect previously infected than Alpha, but I can't actually find where it's written in their reports, so take it with a grain of salt for now just in case. https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/delta-public-health-england-jenny-harries-india-kent-b947397.html https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/23/phe-upgrade-delta-variants-risk-level-due-to-reinfection-risk

Previous post bro. Misread it on the way out the door to run errands.

I mis-read it on my way out the door. It does say positive cases, not hospitalizations. It's still a fuckload of kids testing positive. It won't let me edit it, so I'm going to have to leave it with the mistake. I've asked the mods to change it, because I don't want to leave accidental misinformation on the board. Delta arose in Nov 2020 and is just getting here. Fortunately, these variants have all taken a while to get entrenched in the west.

He's been banned at least twice and just pops up under a new username. As long as he has a VPN, I don't think there is anything the mods can do permanently. It's on us to recognize that it's a problem and to be vigilant for it.

We also already covered this kids don't get Covid bullshit. Kids are getting sick in much larger numbers than before. Even if Delta does not have increased severity over alpha, or the wuhan strain, it is much more infectious and this is going to be a lot of hospitalized kids. Louisiana currently has over 6,000 positive tests kids. 3,439 kids were positive tests in single 4-day span. https://www.wdsu.com/article/more-than-3000-louisiana-children-test-positive-for-covid-19-in-just-four-days/37246194# Florida and Texas are going to be right on their heels. Doesn't it make y'all curious why GRHorn comes on here downplaying the threat all day, every day? Why he has spent the last 18 months hijacking conversations? Why he is continually bringing up evidence regarding the Alpha and Wuhan variants, that is obviously no longer relevant due to viral evolution of the pathogen, trying to further downplay the risk?

We've gone over this several times already. Delta and Gamma both can re-infect previously infected people and appear to do so readily, some of the other variants likely as well. The only place in the world we have good data for this is Amazonas province in Brazil. They had ~75% anti-bodies detected in blood sampling, but Gamma was worse than the first wave, suggesting a high rate of re-infection. We don't know what the re-infection rate for the delta variant will be until after it has re-infected enough people to measure it, but it's going to be a fuck-load higher than 1%. GRHorn is going to continue to spout this number anyway.

As I posted up thread, I'm not a medical doctor. Most people on here already know that. I have graduate degrees in Anatomy and Evolutionary Biology. I've taught medical school, dental school, PT/OT, PA and nurse anesthesiologists.

Every eligible American should get vaccinated, including 12-18 year olds.

We don't have to pretend GRHorn doesn't have an extensive posting history here.

He's been trolling and downplaying the risk to kids the entire pandemic under two different user names now. He lumped them together in that post and separated them as two separate things at others, including the one I was quoting. He doesn't list it as a subset, he lists it as a separate "situation" that he is also opposed to. I think it's pretty obvious what his agenda is, but it's not worth you and I arguing over a troll and derailing the conversation any further.

You are missing something. He is questioning two different things, 1) whether previously infected people need to vaccinate, 2) the need to vaccinate anyone from age 12-18, but especially males. He is still pushing the false argument that Covid doesn't impact kids. Hence the wall of text, as you put it, showing that kids contract Covid, that they are getting sick in larger numbers than before, and that they can transmit it to adults.

Just the way we like them.

A functional, first world country would charge him with many manslaughter charges at least. He's criminally stupid, with a Dunning-Kruger drive to fuck it up for the rest of society. He wants to dominate all the marbles, eat all the marbles, but also shove a few up his nose.

The truth is Ashli Babbitt swore an oath to the Constitution and tried to overthrow our government. She was shot while attempting to breach the last line of defense between a seditious mob and our elected leaders. That's what the facts say, but that makes them feel bad, so they will reject it as truth. Ashli Babbitt being a martyr makes them feel good. They will believe it, because it makes them feel good. Ashli Babbitt being a CIA patsy makes them feel good. They will believe it, because it makes them feel good. Feel good = Accept, Feel Bad = Reject

Looks like death finds a way too.

Weak attempted gotcha Fozzz. Lollapalooza was a terrible idea and it never should have happened. They had 100K for each of 4 days, lots of which were people going to multiple days. They required vaccinations or proof of a negative test before admission. There is no way everyone met those criteria. Even if they did, breakthroughs could have attended and people recently infected, but still testing negative in the days before. There are going to be a lot of infections that stem from Lollapalooza and afterwards. Sturgis is a whole other level of stupid. 700K mostly unvaccinated, unmasked people hanging out drinking for 9 days in a tiny South Dakota town. They come from all over the country, but especially the Midwest. Last year fucked a lot of states and that was with the original wuhan variant. Delta has an R between chicken pox and measles.

Update for the J&J folks on here. South African single dose J&J study showed it did reasonably well against Beta and Delta in a real world setting with 480,000 health care workers. Good news regarding hospitalizations and deaths, though a little below the mRNA numbers. No idea on transmission rate though, so still mask up and keep your viral loads low. https://time.com/6088040/johnson-jj-shot-delta-variant/

Update for the J&J folks on here. South African single dose J&J study showed it did reasonably well against Beta and Delta in a real world setting with 480,000 health care workers. Good news regarding hospitalizations and deaths, though a little below the mRNA numbers. No idea on transmission rate though, so still mask up and keep your viral loads low. https://time.com/6088040/johnson-jj-shot-delta-variant/

Virtually every post you've made on this topic since Jan 2020 has been undercutting public health guidelines and/or vaccines. 1) The article YOU posted from the CDC says vaccination of previously infected reduces their odds of contracting Covid by 60%, so you can stop disinformation on that one. 2) 45,000 kids have been hospitalized and tons of transmission have occurred between kids and adults. https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/07/health/children-covid-19-protection/index.html Delta spreads readily between kids and is a serious threat to kids. We've already lost ~400, which y'all say is a small number, but that's some fucking comfort to the families of those kids and the ones that are about to die. https://www.businessinsider.com/delta-variant-covid-risk-to-children-kids-2021-6?op=1 https://www.forbes.com/sites/williamhaseltine/2021/08/04/a-new-study-documents-efficient-covid-19-transmission-from-infected-children-and-adolescents-to-household-contacts/?sh=47f37a42282d So you can stop pushing your disinformation now, but you won't. Everyone who is eligible needs to mask up and vaccinate. Everyone.

Also the end of July. Pages 101 and 102. Being completely wrong about it doesn't stop him from coming on here and downplaying a 60% reduction in risk for vaccinated patients, because he isn't arguing in good faith.

Look, it's important for you to realize that GRHorn/Muy Frio is not anti-vaccine in general. He'll tell you so over and over. He's just opposed to vaccination in virtually every specific situation yet proposed.

It's going to be a massive super spreader event. Delta is crazy contagious, like catch it from the person you stand next to ordering a beer, or in line for the bathroom contagious. They are all going to be crammed into a small South Dakota town. In lots of small towns, Delta is just revving up. Sturgis is happening just in time to pour gasoline all over the growing fire as they return home.