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2024 Presidential Election Thread - Let's keep the party going.
Nicole44 replied to bolverk's topic in Cloak Room
https://apnews.com/article/biden-campaign-democrats-election-trump-2b1c163c863130675b3b5b60718741c8 [Pelosi is said to prefer the open/mini-convention] “On Saturday, Rep. Mark Takano, the top Democrat on the House Veterans Affairs Committee, added his name to the list of nearly three dozen Democrats in Congress who say it’s time for Biden to leave the race. The Californian called on Biden to “pass the torch,” to Harris. More lawmakers are expected to speak out in the days ahead. Donors have raised concerns.” -
2024 Presidential Election Thread - Let's keep the party going.
Nicole44 replied to bolverk's topic in Cloak Room
I get what you are saying but it’s also in direct opposition to 35 Congressional Democrats asking him to step aside. Numerous calls from other big names on the Hill asking him to “think” about it. Reports of money drying up. I get what you are saying. I also added a picture to my post. Edit. -
2024 Presidential Election Thread - Let's keep the party going.
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This stuff gets more confusing by the day. Priscilla Alvarez has kinda a young Talisa Soto vibe, no? Photo of Talisa included. I was watching Priscilla speak and she just reminds me of Talisa. -
2024 Presidential Election Thread - Let's keep the party going.
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I don’t know how to explain that if accurate. I will say over the last two months there have been a few polls on the 24/7 news channels. This is one such poll (they all say roughly the same thing): The CBS News/YouGov poll found that a majority of registered voters overall (62 percent) would favor the government starting "a new national program to deport all undocumented immigrants currently living in the U.S. illegally." Thirty-eight percent said they would oppose it. The survey polled 1,615 registered voters between June 5 and 7, and had a margin of error of 3.8 points. Notably, the poll found that mass deportation was popular with Hispanics, with 53 percent saying they would favor such a program and 47 percent saying they would oppose it. White people were more supportive of mass deportations, with 67 percent saying they would back the program, and 33 percent saying they would oppose it. Among Black people, it was 47 percent in favor and 53 percent opposed. https://www.newsweek.com/majority-hispanics-favor-mass-deportation-1913510#:~:text=Notably%2C the poll found that,saying they would oppose it. Not sure why that number among Hispanics has gone up the last couple of years but there is data that says it has. That’s just one poll but if you scour the internet you can find more of the same. That poll has a small sample size so it’s not a definitive referendum on Jack shit but that sentiment is there. And it has grown over the past few years. -
My understanding is we learn more about a lot of stuff on Monday. In all fairness, I just think he doesn’t want people to know how much he weighs so…that’s maybe the issue. I sincerely hope the hearing on Monday helps to clear up some stuff.
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2024 Presidential Election Thread - Let's keep the party going.
Nicole44 replied to bolverk's topic in Cloak Room
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2024 Presidential Election Thread - Let's keep the party going.
Nicole44 replied to bolverk's topic in Cloak Room
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Perfect post. The older I get the more precious I realize life is. In 2 1/2 years I’ve had three funerals of family. Thank you for posting that.
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2024 Presidential Election Thread - Let's keep the party going.
Nicole44 replied to bolverk's topic in Cloak Room
Mushrooms make you sad I guess? I’m cool with my caramels and gummies. I have voted every election since 18. I have never voted straight ticket. It’s our time damnit! Lol. I really do think that we should moving forward (assuming there is a future) have early conventions and mini-primaries to decide our candidates. It might be awkward at first. But I think it will get more people to vote if they could see the process at a convention and not just rah rah rah shit. Gives you more skin in the game and groups would have to bargain out in the open. we are at 35 Democratic members of Congress now. It’s not a blue wave…more of a leaky faucet that floods the house. I think though Monday will be end game. Unless he signals he will be dropping out tomorrow night. -
2024 Presidential Election Thread - Let's keep the party going.
Nicole44 replied to bolverk's topic in Cloak Room
It’s a chance for a rebrand. People Pete’s age/Gretchen’s age. JD Vance pick (his age) also a factor in why he was selected. Parties need to go young or younger 35-60. A chance to cut some of the chaff off both parties. This age group I feel a lot more hopeful about than 60-80. I just feel like it’s time. Time for the next generation to speak and share their ideas. Not be beholden to the Boomers. The elders of the society. The ones that were that age in the 70’s and 80’s. We need this badly. I’m not suggesting throwing Pelosi and Schumer away I’m just saying it is time for others to have more power. More say. Let’s try new things and try them a different way. -
2024 Presidential Election Thread - Let's keep the party going.
Nicole44 replied to bolverk's topic in Cloak Room
Or Trump could screw it all up by somehow violating the Logan Act. -
2024 Presidential Election Thread - Let's keep the party going.
Nicole44 replied to bolverk's topic in Cloak Room
Not disagreeing with you. Some conspiracy folks have thought he’s been like this for a year or more and that’s why he’s been hidden. And much of the press was saying it’s all bullshit until the debate. In their eyes, everyone knew and it was this vast conspiracy. It’s bullshit to me but his debate performance and everything after gave their thoughts new life. Which is dumb. But they believe this shit. -
2024 Presidential Election Thread - Let's keep the party going.
Nicole44 replied to bolverk's topic in Cloak Room
The thing is if that happens Repubs will make Dems do it. I don’t know how many Dems in House and senate bc it’s like an impeachment. But Repubs can abstain. Or vote no. They aren’t going hard in the paint right now bc they want to face Biden. I’ve heard the pundits. Repubs don’t want to be tagged as the ones who took Biden away and off the ticket. Now will they absolutely launch investigations on Biden’s health and records and who knew what when later? You bet your ass. His debate performance gave every conspiracy theorist on the right validation that it could be true. Repubs will make Dems do it. Think about the restraint. Normally they’d be screaming at the hill for him to be removed. -
2024 Presidential Election Thread - Let's keep the party going.
Nicole44 replied to bolverk's topic in Cloak Room
On paper yes. Behind the scenes of the inner circle stuff was being hidden about whatever is going on with Biden. But yes, in sales they call it low hanging fruit. Imagine a sell that you Tommy Boy up like that. To be fair it genuinely appears as that most Dems on the Hill had no clue it was this bad. The good days bad days thing. They didn’t know. Until the debate. I know it feels like this ⬇️ now but the Dems will pull together. Unite. Unless Biden steps aside as nominee but refuses to go down and runs as an independent out of spite. but yes, right now it does appear like this: -
2024 Presidential Election Thread - Let's keep the party going.
Nicole44 replied to bolverk's topic in Cloak Room
No? Maybe? None of us can know what’s going on in the inner circle. I’m sure it has been mentioned in private conversations with people trying to persuade him to step down. But how many of those people are getting thru now? He’s mad. Feels betrayed and abandoned and his top people are like “don’t watch the news. No one does anymore.” Maybe they are doing the press clippings thing with him (cue Mike Leach) and only showing him positive stuff. His legacy will be destroyed. That’s putting it mildly. And Jill while a favorite before will be side-eyed at any political event afterwards. I don’t think either have thought about that. Jmo. -
2024 Presidential Election Thread - Let's keep the party going.
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There is no throw up 🤮 🤢 emoji reaction but Matt and Kimberly…. Absolutely horror film stuff. This is why people shouldn’t mess with their faces. But the ugly on the inside always comes out. Kim was at least pretty before the ghastly sort of Elvira meets Disney cartoon villainess. I have expected her to turn into a dragon like Maleficent and eat some of the people in the crowd. The only safe ones would be the MSNBC anchors bc they weren’t actually present. -
2024 Presidential Election Thread - Let's keep the party going.
Nicole44 replied to bolverk's topic in Cloak Room
Is anyone going to start a candidate “coaching” thread? Or is that taboo? I am not bc I have zero cache here but I think it might be more fun than the doom loop. If Biden steps aside and Kamala is passed over in favor of a mini-convention and she is not the nominee I think a ticket of Whitmer/Shapiro (whatever order) would be the one most feared by Repubs. Or Shapiro/Buttigieg. But that’s assuming a lot of things obviously. I think bc of Roe v Wade a woman should be on the ticket—it is nearly impossible to debate that issue against a woman optics wise no matter what people’s personal beliefs are. All or this is assuming any of the people on that potential ticket will run. That Biden will step aside. That Kamala won’t get anointed or won’t outlast her mini-field of competitors. It also doesn’t take into account how the backbone/black base of the part will react to having Biden removed (it’s clear if he steps aside it wasn’t by choice to all of us) and also taking away Kamala. That is a problem. I can’t see him being the nominee. No matter what his camp and he are saying. Behind the scenes I am sure excruciating pressure is being brought to bear to make sure he steps aside quickly. They tried the carrot. Then the carrot and the stick. He hasn’t budged. Now it’s baseball bats and blow torches. it’s just 34 members of Congress now. Wait until Monday morning. I know everyone on this forum thinks this will be the last real election if Trump wins (I don’t) but if there is another election in 4 years I would welcome earlier conventions two weeks apart with the incumbent side going last. And there would be this mini-blitz primary and those top candidates get the vote at the convention. And hit the ground running. I would love to see that happen. In the future. If there is a future. We would be able to see a lot of candidates that simply can’t run bc of a money issue. We would feel quite frankly better about the choices. And we could really focus on the policies and the issues. The issues and the platforms and visions for the future. More than we do the lesser of two evils which many times most of us have felt has been the case. -
Pancreatic cancer is a bitch. RIP Sheila.
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2024 Presidential Election Thread - Let's keep the party going.
Nicole44 replied to bolverk's topic in Cloak Room
I think the Biden camp + inner circle shielding him these many months after his decision to run again was predicated on the belief that Trump was (a) unelectable and (b) wouldn’t be on the ballot/be in jail so they didn’t need to do much. Especially if he is declining. Shielded him really the last ten months and only got him out there for heavily scripted teleprompter style shit. And this works. And they would Just watch Trump be removed from the ballot. Repubs would fracture and won’t be able to put up or vote for anyone that could beat Biden. They would lose and lose huge. then if after winning the election in a few months or whatever he steps down if his cognitive shit really is that bad and Kamala is new President. i think that’s what they thought. then for whatever inexplicable reason with his poll numbers lagging behind Trump’s these same people said, “Hey let’s have a fucking historically early debate and Biden with enough prep will wipe the floor with that convicted felon and we will get a boost in the polls and we won’t have to debate that SOB again.” And no need to rehash what happened after Biden absolutely kicked his own ass in that debate. Trump’s many lies were not the story. The story was “holy shit what’s wrong with Biden.” Thats where we are and the party is now fractured on how to move forward. Where will it be after the convention? No one fucking knows. All I know is that it would be the absolute worst idea to pass over Kamala in favor of an open convention deal if Biden steps down and in the meantime the Dems are doing more damage to Biden than Republicans could ever do or even need to do. The fracture boomeranged on them. It hit the Democrats. And now they want something that should have taken place the moment Biden said he would run again. A real primary. Just thoughts but I think they didn’t need to do much because Trump wouldn’t be on the ballot and Repubs would fracture and they win. Jmo. -
2024 Presidential Election Thread - Let's keep the party going.
Nicole44 replied to bolverk's topic in Cloak Room
My whole thing is if it goes to this mini-primary thing do the Big Cigars have assurances that any of the people Whitmer included that are on this wishlist are going to run? Will want to run? What if it’s only Bernie Sanders who hears the call and wishes to compete? Or Howard Dean? Like who is going to show up and be willing to challenge Kamala who will be pissed off? Or if no one challenges her and she’s like well that was fun you guys could have just given it to me since I was already on the ticket and would have picked one of these wishlist candidates for my VP. -
2024 Presidential Election Thread - Let's keep the party going.
Nicole44 replied to bolverk's topic in Cloak Room
The awful part is and I’ve been watching the news 24/7 since June 27th like a junkie is that the pundits (almost all of them white) and the various senators and representatives they have had on that don’t think it should automatically go to Kamala ( she must be battle tested and is a fine candidate but needs separation from Joe and must win this nomination in a contest) are fucking GIDDY about an open mini blitz primary thing. Giddy. Oh look at the possibilities they say. Kamala is a great candidate and she’s at the top of the list but look at what else we have here! The absolute blindness these people have towards what that does to the black base is quite frankly disturbing AND willfully ignorant. they go to the backbone of their party when they need help. Go to their base. Which is black and these people have the clueless audacity to say that Kamala shouldn’t be anointed when she was already on the ticket that won the primary and prior to that the WH. What the fuck. -
2024 Presidential Election Thread - Let's keep the party going.
Nicole44 replied to bolverk's topic in Cloak Room
It’s the shittiest conversation to have with a loved one and I have had to have that twice. Dementia/Alzheimers are hideous fucking diseases. They rob you of everything. I am not saying Biden has that. I’m just saying it’s a shit conversation. You know you are doing the right thing for them but they don’t see it that way, think you are betraying them, don’t understand what’s going on and the worst they feel abandoned, hopeless and helpless and it’s like they earned all this stuff their whole fucking lives and people are telling them they can’t make choices anymore. Uggghhhhh. It sucks. This is whole shit has been handled poorly. Add the cherry to the top of the shit sundae is not turning to Kamala and risking offending the backbone of the party—black women. We cannot rewind what’s been done but the only way I see forward is going with Kamala and hoping she picks a Shapiro or someone from a rust belt state and get them to hit the ground running. The damage has been done to Biden and worse he no longer trusts many people around him. It’s the only path forward and I think the pressure coming to bear on Biden will be excruciating this weekend. Period. It will continue until he steps aside. If he doesn’t then fine we all ride but I have said numerous times before that THEY will not let him continue to run. Whoever THEY is. -
2024 Presidential Election Thread - Let's keep the party going.
Nicole44 replied to bolverk's topic in Cloak Room
I am on the same page with you and have expressed this sentiment many times. The problem is depending on what is wrong with him (cognitive decline—they sometimes get really angry—but I mean he also would be angry without the decline.) never should have run again. Had he not done that his legacy is secured. The candidate gets amazing platform and WH support. Tons of free press. Bernstein said while Biden is angry and understands it’s shitty right now neither he (nor his family) is stepping down. He sees the attacks as personal and out of malice and he is very pissed. -
2024 Presidential Election Thread - Let's keep the party going.
Nicole44 replied to bolverk's topic in Cloak Room
That was her exact face when asked how she would feel if Kamala was passed over in favor of some kind of open primary/blitz/ballroom dance/speed dating type of deal with multiple town halls leading into the convention. I actually got her exact face. Delta 9 makes me sharper. I’m invincible. -
2024 Presidential Election Thread - Let's keep the party going.
Nicole44 replied to bolverk's topic in Cloak Room
Bernstein on Anderson Cooper. Bernstein has spoken to Biden. Biden feels betrayed. He has helped many people in their careers and where is the loyalty from everyone. His family is also angry. His record is being disrespected he feels. He is especially angry at Pelosi and Schumer. Biden realizes that the current state of candidacy is unlikely. He wants recognition for his record. He sees this as an attack on him. The money is drying up. Many big party leaders don’t want a process where Kamala is “anointed” and it looks like Monday may be a possible announcement for Biden to potentially drop out. That’s all Carl’s reporting.
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