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Nicole44

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  1. I’m hoping and praying that with a release of a ton of evidence today people will calm down a bit more. Information and having it is better than darkness. Not having it breeds a lot of fear and confusion and anxiety and misinformation which brings even more hatred. Fear leads to hate. And with the transparency they were able to show today in laying out the case the crux of it will be his texts to the roommate. They are beyond damning. And the roommate can testify to them. The shooter said how he did the crime and tried to disguise himself, what he used, where he put the weapon, how long he’d been planning it, that the old man was just a random arrest, said once he disposed of the weapon he’d have left no trace but the best part was the two obstruction charges where he tells the roommate to delete all their correspondence and why. A treasure trove that we don’t normally get, the shooter gave up a lot of evidence, and the gun being an heirloom in the family šŸ¤¦šŸ¼ā€ā™€ļø and his parents identification and his confession to them…damn. Nailed. People will calm down a bit. We can’t help r fix the ones who are determined to make this worse. He was caught. Quickly. Turned in. Is still alive. Left a massive electronic trail. And also out a bullseye on his discord group. And if they have involvement FAFO.
  2. I feel just horribly and am praying for the shooter’s parents. I try to imagine this. Their son has become more and more distant and angry from them. the mom sees a picture on the news of the shooter who she immediately realizes is her son, calls him and wants to know where he is. Wants to know what he’s been doing all day. He said sick in bed. She speaks immediately to her husband who agrees the picture is of their son. the dad calls the son and says let me see the gun. Which was a family heirloom and the shooter’s grandfather’s and the dad had given it to his son for a bday present several years prior, the son refuses. The dad confronts him on the phone and the son said he would kill himself. Somehow the dad is able to convince the son to come to their house. He does and they invite a family friend over who is successful in getting him to confess. impossible choice. What a heart wrenching and scary night they had particularly once they knew their son was the shooter and they were waiting for him to show up at their house, bless them. I pray CK’s widow will be allowed input if she doesn’t want the DP sought. Her wishes should be considered. However at this stage it may be a bargaining chip to avoid trial all together so I see why it’s still on the table at this time. They can still use it to get cooperation.
  3. So just to humble brag on my true crime group once someone in any case has been cleared but we see social media or news organization still imply or go after an innocent person will smack them down and school them. We make it a point to make them make retractions. So if you see that shit we are usually trying to correct it. there are around 250 in my group and that’s small but we hit YT and TikTok and X and comment sections in articles demanding they fix that shit. We have gotten results and it’s unfortunate we even have to do this but it’s necessary. off my speaking about my group no more of that. We will however correct people and do it all the time. And smack down assholes.
  4. Aggravated murder is the charge right? Showing indifference to others as there were people all around Charlie and he could have hit one of them and that the bullet passed thru him and missed people or something like that. the Utah County DA gave a ton of information way more than my group was expecting to get. Damn.
  5. I’m concerned that no mention was made of the widow’s wishes. Maybe the Governor overreached when he said that? Her wishes would be considered. I think the DA was saying back off to the Feds I am calling the shots and seeking the DP and it’s my decision and my case. Like posturing is how I read it.
  6. If anyone is concerned that this asshole will be a folk hero no worries. This kid is a fucking moron. No one will worship this. he planned it for a week he Says this to his parents and also in a text to roomie he tells his roomie he has to get rid of the gun. The gun was an heirloom from his dad that belonged to the shooters grandfather, he says once he gets rid of the gun he will have left no trace. No trace. Okeedokee. He will not be worshiped like this other asshat Luigi. Nope.
  7. Oh holy fuck that one text between he and the roomie (and I have to keep stressing the roomie had no fucking idea and was shocked and horrified) Most damning text and I’m paraphrasing: The assassin in his text confession to the roommate said that once he ā€œdisposed of the weapon he will have left no traceā€ of his shooting CK. What a fucking idiot! You can’t walk down the street without being caught on camera. How does a young person who grew up with ring cameras everywhere not know that there are cameras all over a campus fucking moron. he then asked his roommate to delete his account and delete any and all conversations b/w him and the roomie. How does not a young kid not understand it’s not how that works? How any of this works? Geez and I thought I was out of the loop with all the AI stuff. Fml. He’s cooked.
  8. In one of the text from the shooter to the uninvolved roommate/ romantic partner: Roomie: it wasn’t you was it? I thought they caught the guy. Killer: no that was some random old man. It was me (paraphrasing) lots of this: he explains how, why, where he put the gun, when (he’d been planning it for a week) all of it. Totally fucked. So he would come home from time to time but primarily lived with the roomie. They became lovers after becoming roommates. I think is what is being said.
  9. He said and I am paraphrasing on the known evidence at this point and that it was HIS decision which I took to mean he is making that solo without consultation. So an assumption on my part. The mom saw the shooter’s picture on the news and thought it was her son. Called him and he said he’d been sick in bed. She got off phone and talked to her husband and they agreed it was their son it was picture. DA is saying he was in a romantic relationship with his roomie and that the parents said he became more angry. The rifle was given to his son a while ago as a bday present, his dad called him and asked him to see the gun, and then the shooter said he would take his own life but they were able to get him to come to his parents. The family friend then met with him and convinced him to turn himself in. The boy confessed to his parents. Said there was too much hate in the world and he killed Kirk bc Kirk spread hate. He told his parents he disposed of the clothes he was wearing. FBI spoke to his romantic roomie partner and he had texted the roomie saying he was going to take out CK and he’d found a way to do it. He confessed by text to his roommate. The roomie had no knowledge. Roommate was shocked and very upset There is a ton of text conversation from the roomie with the killer after the crime and basically he’s fucked with this text back and forth from the roomie and killer, roomie not involved at all but the conversations are damning for the shooter he’s fucked.
  10. Damn the Utah County DA giving a TON of information. Much more than my true crime group expected except one lady who said she watched some arraignment type thing with that Utah Mormon YT mom who starved her kids and that they gave like the whole case. Weird.
  11. FYI a live presser from Jeff Gray the Utah County DA is speaking on the shooter. He made his own decision based on the evidence to seek the DP. There is no word so far on whether CK’s widow has weighed in or if her if she has even been asked for her feelings or wishes. None of that.
  12. Thanks.😊 I’m just a lame ass normie. I struggle and fail to be in the know about stuff these days. In my high school days we just had Goths. That was it. And Goth encompassed many people who probably would have formed their own or different group under LGBTQ instead of goth. And when the Columbine Shooting happened it was then a war on Goths. And the media just lumped in all of them. Not saying back in HS the Goths didn’t hate us normies or nerds or jocks bc they absolutely did…but it was like all of them got lumped into the shooting category. And it was sad and unfair to see that play out when I was in school. But it was Amarillo High School. And there were Not a ton of options for us Sandies. (Mascot of my HS) Utah said he is seeking the death penalty. On the assassin
  13. Between the 71 year old man who seems like a complete whack job to the community of furries and the roommate/possible love interest this case is tailor made for surly. Like AI gifted them with it. Question: so if a male is attracted to a male who is transitioning to be a woman…what is the appropriate term for the non-transitioning male? Nonbinary? I just want to know the correct term in an effort to be respectful. Does that mean the male is gay? Bisexual? In the LGBTQ šŸ³ļøā€šŸŒˆ spectrum where would the shooter fall IF IF IF his romantic partner is a male transitioning to be a female? Sorry to be confusing.
  14. It’s really depressing. People under 40 likely have no fucking clue what a huge loss all these actors are to the film industry. They made Hollywood what it is. It’s like a shell of itself movie wise without all of them. Their absence from film too (some of them the last decade plus) is felt. Sad. I have seen the movie The Natural dozens of times. And this scene always gives me the chills. I loved him in Legal Eagles even if it was cheesy. Everything. Cannot understand why no Oscar. Too handsome? Goodbye Hobbs. 😭
  15. I’d like to think if I was in an online group and someone said ā€œhey i got a gun and I’m headed to go kill so and soā€ that I’d turn their asses in. I am not saying this is what happened here. How do you know if they are even serious? I bring this up bc almost every shooter in the last decade has communicated their intentions online and it doesn’t seem like anyone took the hundreds of so doing this shit seriously at all, sad.
  16. I will say I belong to a good group. Not like you fine people here. I was invited in which was cool. One of our founders, Peter Hyatt (OG of statement analysis) did sadly pass away earlier this year from a rare form of cancer but we have a lot of former police and FBI in the group. thank you guys for sharing insights though. We just don’t know a whole lot about Utah or how their procedures work. Yeah typo. I’m trying hard not to give these shooters names and fucked up, the shooter obviously. Lol. šŸ˜‚
  17. So the expectation I am seeing from a few networks is that CK will be formerly charged. Patel is facing some senate questioning on the Hill prior to the court appearance. Not sure why? Or does anyone know? Is it a closed session kind of thing?
  18. I feel ya. In the true crime community the DA and the indictment aren’t the be all end all. In one of our cases Suzanne Morphew, we absolutely think it was her hubby Barry. We think they have the right person, but the DA fucked up the first trial, and now we feel they have the time of death (TOD) for her wrong. And that may fuck up the case. But we tend to give respect and weight to the prosecution but we don’t blindly go ā€œyeah we believe this shit šŸ’Æ.ā€
  19. That would be cool. People won’t use it properly bc surly is surly. But at least having a thread like that you go into it knowing what to expect. Rampant speculation and conspiracy theories. Just call it ā€œfollow the white rabbit.ā€
  20. RIP. Loved him in lots of things. Genuine good person too. Really helped the indie film industry. These great actors are all around the same age. We are losing the great ones. Old magic Hollywood. The new crop isn’t and never will be close to the Redford type of actor. IMO.
  21. Skepticism is how we roll. I just mean we watch videos and go to podcasts that most people aren’t aware of. There are some podcasters in the true crime community I absolutely LOATHE. But I will still take a look at their information if they have scoop. Like TMZ is a similar thing. Sometimes they have a good source. Like when they obtained that camera footage of the shooter walking/ limping to campus. So all I mean is we don’t disregard a piece of evidence simply because of the source but we try extremely hard to get corroborating sources. So if we can’t, we still consider what the source says, but we don’t give it as much weight, it’s kinda like a Venn diagram basically. most of us are mappers in how we build our cases. If any of this shit makes sense. hopefully the court appearance is earlier in the day. It doesn’t sound like the assassin is cooperating at all right now.
  22. Agreed. I do see that. I also see propaganda in a lot of coverage on other platforms. I try my best to weed through it. Basically our sort of motto is if someone has an exclusive interview then we watch it regardless of the platform. Bc it’s a piece of the puzzle. Or helps to shine light on one. Twitter going batshit over Candace Owen’s making that claim. This shit is just already weird and getting weirder, then you also have bots doing their bot shit. People making up shit. It’s getting to the point where I need like two back up sources for every one source. Even if a source or platform means well they could be spreading wrong shit. Common in all investigations but this is way worse bc of the politics and everyone wanting their to be a motive that works for their group, thankfully my private group doesn’t care about that, we just want the real answers realizing we may not get them at all. But in spite of that we aren’t going to fill the void if there are no answers just to satisfy a particular side or a belief. If we don’t get the answers so be it but we aren’t trying to create ones either.
  23. Sure. Most of y’all aren’t in my true crime community. A separate deal. So we are agnostic about sources and what not provided the source can be corroborated. We listen to and watch everything. Podcasts, TikTok local YT people in a particular case. All local news and so on. We just want whatever we have to be confirmed in our private and not public chats. so when I use sources I’m not looking at it thru a left or right political lens. I’m gathering information. Not rhetoric if that makes sense where as in the DT and cloakroom sources are often disregarded (bc mostly opinion based) bc of the source. in my group one lady believes the Candace Owen types on the far right are being paid by drug cartels to push the theory that Kirk was killed by Israel. And further that he accepted 1 million to change his views. Wild shit. We can discuss all this because while we are all different political beliefs in my large group we don’t go there. It’s about cases and trying to figure them out. Who what when where why how shit. Nothing else. So we don’t come to blows or are trying to make the motive be something it’s not. We only seek the truth wherever it goes. We share theories. Sure we want to be right. Who doesn’t? But it’s about the crime not our politics if that makes any fucking sense lol. šŸ˜‚
  24. Dude you know what I mean? Sorry I had an excellent Delta 9 gummy so maybe it makes more sense to me. Fox and the WH are chummy so they probably would get a heads up over other networks bc of the chumminess. Does that not make sense? Ah fuck it.
  25. Lots of experts on different channels saying different things: I’ve perused the CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, MSNBC, FOX and Court TV route. In this one way I trust Fox to have the heads up bc they are getting the information straight from the sources. They seem to imply there will be some of the provable things mentioned tomorrow. But I don’t know if they meant that will be in court OR in the presser that the governor said he would hold after court. Who knows?
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