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Are you referencing Charley? See him live before settling on an opinion would be my suggestion You say that last sentence like it’s not an incredible compliment

Now you’re getting it. Think Guymon,OK with mountains in the distance

Red and yellow bells have a sweet flavor that works as a compliment to certain things. They're solid on a veggie dip tray, and roasted red bells are pretty tasty. I'm with you on green.

Absolutely. They have no flavor and no heat. They're just there. I guess stuffed green bell peppers can be good, but that's just because they absorb flavor from whatever you stuffed them with.

Greeley's basically the Midwest in every sense. But you can see the mountains from there.

Why? We've been told over and over how the haves shouldn't be subsidizing lesser programs, and how boring those games are. This eliminates all of that. Every member would be a major financial contributor, and every division/conference game is against a helmet school. Need to have some breathers? Do it in the non-conference. It almost seems like you're just trying to advocate for the shittiest possible version of college football as it would relate to my interests, as ISU would either be one of the first schools out or one of the last in, and frankly both of those outcomes would be worse than what we have today (for me). I doubt that's your intent, but 40-48 schools going their own way would suck.

That's a pretty massive fucking difference.

You're correct. Minnesota sort of does, but they belong on our level too. There's a certain poster that I won't @ that will definitely bitch about my saying this for the millionth time, but if continued consolidation is the way this is going, I'd much prefer that the top 16-18 brands break away in their own association/conference/whatever you want to call it. Kick 2/3rds of the Big 10 and the bottom half of the SEC to play in a division with current Big 12 and ACC schools. I think a lot of people would eventually be happy with that. The blue bloods get their buffet of marquee meaningful games and massive paychecks. The rest of us get regional college football mostly the way we fell in love with it, and a chance to play for a championship. The appetite for live sports will keep that division in a good TV spot and well paid (good enough anyways). The schools left behind from the current Big 10 and SEC might be upset for minute, but they'd likely be the most competitive in their divisions in this set up. I think that would be interesting and fun. No one outside of the top 16 brands is ever winning a natty anyhow. The thing that chaps my ass, personally, is having these nearby schools like Minnesota, Mizzou, Iowa, etc that are riding the gravy train, contributing little, and meanwhile we're always getting threatened with something and playing games all over the fucking country. I have 0 resentment for schools that command big bucks and big eyeballs wanting to play games against other similar schools. I strongly resent having to listen to Iowa fans brag about a conference they add dick to.

I think Oregon and Rutgers FANS kinda would prefer that, but they know it’s untenable in the current environment.

Kick Mizzou, Iowa, and Nebraska out of the tree fort and that sounds awesome. That Plains pod is very close to my ideal schedule.

To be fair, I think you guys and maybe USC and OU are the only fanbases that don’t want to play regional schools. And the TV execs. Can’t forget them.

I don't give a fuck about playing name schools. There really aren't any in the division proposed for ISU. But it's loaded with local teams. Teams my school has history with. Teams whose fans I interact with. I don't give a shit if Ohio State and Texas have unlimited NIL. I don't care if they get a better TV slot. I want two things: opponents that makes sense, and a theoretical shot to play for a championship. That's it, and this gives us that.

Yeah, saw the Damn Quails there when there were still some Covid precautions. You had to buy a whole table, so we did. Not the full experience, but still a great show and a great time.

On the one hand, it exemplifies what makes this thread great. On the other hand, it's ketchup on a choice cut of beef. But this thread isn't about the fucking rules. Play on, player.

I was in Tulsa 3-4 weeks ago (the day it came out, actually) and my cousin was trying to get me to come back for it. Dead ass middle of planting season, so there's absolutely no chance.

This is exactly where those schools are now. They have no chance at being competitive going forward. All they have is being able to brag about being in the Big 10 or SEC. They will live vicariously off the wins of the blue bloods and act like they contributed something. It's a super Aggy existence. In this new model, they'd actually have a chance to win the division in a good year and get to the playoffs, because the blue bloods have been spread around and a blue blood can slip up from time to time. But they are also the EXACT schools who stand to lose financially in this arrangement. Right now they get paid for their association with the blue bloods. That wouldn't happen here. The blue bloods would make more money than they do currently, because they aren't sharing equally with schools that generate so much less. The schools in the Big 12 and ACC probably go sideways financially, but we get rid of these stupid fucking nationwide conferences and have road games you can mostly drive to against schools who's fans you interact with daily. The G5 probably aren't making much more money either. But they have guaranteed access, which is the most important thing to them. They at least have an objective path towards having a shot. I get it. You like being able to say "get the fuck out of my treehouse". This definitely eliminates that aspect of college sports, and truthfully, that's probably the biggest hang up. No one really acknowledges it, but that's a huge motivator for a lot of the people making these decisions. But if this was structured properly you could achieve giving the blue bloods the money they crave (and truthfully generate), you can give the middle programs sensible geography for their scheduling, and you can give the lower programs access.

In the proposed set up I think you would see far more interesting out of division match ups than you see today, and that's one thing that would likely raise the value of this product. The games you're describing will have a baked in audience consisting of those fanbases and probably no one else. Not any different than today. What would be different is that in a set up that completely removes the narrative driven subjectivity that has pushed college football to it's current insanity, there is no incentive for the heavy hitters in different divisions to avoid each other outside of divisional play. Right now basically every team in the country plays 1 (many play 3) boring-ass tune up games. This is all because average programs are trying to squirrel away wins for bowl eligibility and the major programs are trying to avoid non-conference blemishes to their playoff resume. When those games don't matter towards who makes the playoffs, you open the door for better early season games. You could even make it a rule that teams can't schedule outside the 80 (or whatever). There's an opportunity and way to structure this that makes it a gain for almost every program in the country if it's done right.

The beer might represent the later.

The NFL didn't force those moves, the owners did. I don't think the NFL is a good model for CFB, but blowing up the conferences as we know them, making geographic playing arrangements, and distributing revenue on an earned basis is a far more logical path than the one we're on. What you have in CFB right now is the potential of the actual haves bringing a bunch of subsidized schools with them into another division. If you're going to do that, it might as well be more inclusive in terms of who actually gets to compete, and end the subsidization. I think in a Super League with merit based revenue, you'd see the Texases of the world make more, and the Purdues make less. And that makes complete sense.

When there's a playoff that all these leagues feed into, instead of provincial bowl games, I think that would go away. Because all of these divisions feed into the same national playoff, every game has theoretical relevance in relation to every other game. NFL fans on the east coast don't ignore the games on the west coast because at the end of the day those are all teams that their team could have to play, and the big brands would draw eyeballs from everywhere in this arrangement. These aren't conferences that are little clubs of like-mindedness and camaraderie. They are divisions that constitute a larger league. Because every D1 fanbase in America has a stake in this final outcome, there will be nationwide interest. If the SEC and Big 10 wall themselves off, no one outside is going to care all that much. There are enough people "inside" that circle to be quite financially viable, but maxing out financially tends to come from having the most people invested and watching. The NFL has never outright attempted to alienate potential viewers.

Swap Mizzou for Wisconsin and sign my ass up.

Same. Pretty much everything I've read from people who've heard it is that the lead singles aren't anywhere near the best stuff on it. Really getting excited for this now. Thus far Waxahatchee is my album of the year. I've been a big fan of Katie Crutchfield for a few years (the Plains album a few years back was phenomenal) and this is as good as anything she's done.

I’m saying that it seems like everyone always assumed this was the arrangement

My wife would drive you insane. It's not nasally, but she sounds like she came off the set of Fargo.

Yeah, that was when "The Underdog" was actually a rock radio hit.