Brian Fantana

They'll take care of him next election cycle regardless. As I said in the other thread, as long as he keeps the American money flowing, he can keep himself out of the ringer. He's already likely going to prison after he gets voted out anyway.

There have been mass protests and people calling for new elections over there for quite some time now. Beyond that there's little incentive for them to change anything they're doing as long as the American money spigot is still going full blast. That's the only real way to put any meaningful pressure on Bibi. As long as he can keep the money flowing he can keep his own ass out of the wood chipper. Without it, he's vulnerable. I'm confident Biden will put pressure on him, the admin can't allow Bibi to do public end-arounds like this. It just can't be allowed. No other world leader would be allowed to do stuff like this, especially not an "ally".

You don't cut off Israel. You go after Netanyahu, which would be good for Israel. You do that by squeezing until he squeals. He already cried like a little bitch in front of Congress just from the mere thought of reduced military aid. He is desperate and can be controlled. Regardless of how either of us think we should respond, If this is real it absolutely cannot be allowed.

You're seeing monsters under the bed that don't exist. Biden isn't going to do shit on an unconfirmed report. You're freaking out about people on a message board speculating. In my estimation, the likelihood of it being real is very high. What do you think Biden should do if it is confirmed Trump did this? What's the move that isn't "stupid and reckless"? e: grammah

I mean it's not like they'll do anything if it's unconfirmed. Biden ain't reading Surly. I just suspect if it's true they already know what was said and there will be a response.

Where there's smoke, there's usually fire. It's pretty well known that Bibi needs Trump to win.

https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/keith-ellison-dnc-speech-gaza/

Also, I want to be extremely clear about this: No one did this to Biden but himself. No one. Not Nancy Pelosi, not the electorate, not anyone but Joe. I very much appreciate most of the things he did during his term, he was a great president. But, if you want to run for president as a person who A) is 950 years old, and B) is not the leader of a personality cult, you better be prepared to appear competent every time you step on stage. Things already were not great from a polling standpoint, but he cut his campaign's legs out from underneath it on that debate night. The Dems have handled this transition in a far more competent manner than I could have ever expected and it should work out for the best for everyone involved.

She and her campaign have shown nothing but competence so far. Honestly, just can the lib NPC shit and enjoy it. You're bumming everyone out. What needed to happen happened and it's for the best.

I like taking shots at the cryptkeeper as much as anyone else, but she has been absolutely crucial in getting this thing turned around since the debate.

He's like Bill Maher. Always shit, but somehow still has fans.

This is all he does now. The conflict that shall not be named broke his brain.

I was told anti, but I have no proof.

I need to scam whoever paid for this billboard. Who's up for some shenanigans?

HIMYM's parody of him is one of my favorite things

I judge people by how dogs react to them 100% of the time. If a dog doesn't like your energy you're sus. That's good energy.

Netanyahu is an awful piece of shit, and we allow him to walk all over us to an embarrassing extent. He wields more power over Congress than any American politician, and it's high time it came to an end. They should not get a single dollar or piece of equipment from us ever again, or at the very least until certain conditions are met. No more obstruction of a ceasefire agreement A full withdrawal from the West Bank including all armed forces and all of the settlers that have and are currently committing Israeli government-sponsored acts of terror in that region Allow Palestinians who have fled due to having their lands and property stolen by settlers the right to return and claim their homes An immediate end to the apartheid practices within Israel proper and in Palestinian territories Allow new elections to take place so Netanyahu can finally be voted out and brought to justice Pledge to help rebuild Gaza since Israel has destroyed almost all of its culture and infrastructure I've little hope of any of that ever happening, but it must happen for peace to ever be on the table.

I've often thought that the name of his O&G company (CrownQuest) was just less than subtle signaling at his ultimate goal.

I have to agree with hpslugga here, the election ballyhoo has basically nothing to do with this thread. Many otherwise progressive posters have said things in this thread that are so outright insane/bloodthirsty that it's scarcely believable. It will continue no matter what happens in the election. In fact, if Harris wins and actually makes some reforms to how our government handles Israel, I suspect it will get much worse. There's one very active and progressive poster (I will not tag them as I don't want to start an argument) that engages in good discussion around the election etc that very seriously and unironically suggested that Gaza should be nuked a la Japan and that it was completely justifiable to kill the entire population in response to what Hamas did on Oct. 7. That's not to even get into the discussion of how often people have been accused of antisemitism in this thread and the many instances of absolutely disgusting and brazen Islamophobia and not one bit of it was ever moderated.

You're not necessarily wrong, I shouldn't be responding to Rex at all. It kind of all circles back to the board's ignore feature being entirely useless because I would have just put him on ignore right after he switched from Porterhouse back to Rex Kramer, but it is what it is. There was an actual discussion going on between people that don't necessarily agree, but have fully developed and functioning frontal cortexes before Rex drops in to drop a tactical nuke of ignorance and rightfully starts getting shit on by [not just me]. It's not my fault he has to derail every discussion that doesn't involve him because he is stuck in the deepest Dunning-Kruger hole of all time, but it is my fault that I decide to argue with him every time. That said, you want better discussion? Then engage with the topics bolverk, myself, and others continue to bring up in here to try and spark real and interesting discussion. It's not our fault that the Surly Make Israel Great Again crowd will only engage in conversations that revolve around stupid American protestors. That or they just want to play hall monitor like yourself.

Either put me on ignore or shut the fuck up. You know damn well by now that I'm not going to keep quiet. Either way, fuck off.

Who are you talking to here, or are you just yelling at clouds again? Go on, spit it out. You're clearly aching to accuse someone here, so just do it instead of being a pussy. Honestly you should have been banned months ago for doing this exact thing, but I'm bored so I'm willing to entertain your blathering again.

I'll raise you this.

If you guys want a real laugh, go read Rex's posts in this thread the days after Oct. 7 when he was posting as Porterhouse (now deleted, the posts show up as by Guest) when he was vehemently arguing against the notion that Israel is an apartheid state and straight up calling for ethnic cleansing. And buddy, don't bother lying about how that wasn't your account. No one believes you.