Brian Fantana

Dumbest state in the Union.

Lulz

Yes, you dumbass. Why do you think flag burning is protected by the 1A?

Brother, you and others are guilty of doing this multiple times in this thread since Oct. 7. We can pull up the receipts if you like. As to the rest... On the contrary, I don't think or care about the tiny minority of progressive protestors that do/say stupid shit ever until I'm forced to by some cretin in this thread posting a video of some 19-20 year old undergrad dipshit ranting about how we must dismantle Western society because he's mad about Israel. I don't give a shit, he doesn't matter, he's fucking stupid and so is everyone that watches the video and lets it influence their views on this topic in any direction. Do I need to go through the thread and link the many, many times I have pushed back against or criticized the words/actions of people who I ostensibly agree with on this topic? I don't really want to do all that work, and I doubt you would care anyway, so it's whatever. Also, I don't think you're evil, I think we would agree on most things, I just think Oct.7 completely shattered your brain with regard to pushback against the Israeli government's actions. What exactly is a protest if not disruptive civil disobedience? Again, there has never been an effective protest that wasn't disruptive. Again, there are ways to be disruptive that don't amount to shitting on the floor. You're just being intentionally dense here and attempting to equate legality with morality. I'll give you points for continuing to successfully focus the discussion on the actions of a tiny fraction of dumbass Americans rather than the actual topic of the thread. After all, why have a discussion about Netanyahu's unhinged behavior in the past couple of days when we can shit on some random college students instead?

Continuously attacking the protestors is a way for people to dogwhistle support for genocide with some baked in deniability. If they get any pushback, they can just say "Hey, whoa, I just want the protests to protest in the right way!" Some people continue to espouse this weird idea that protests aren't supposed to be disruptive, even though every single successful protest in the written history of the world has been disruptive. It's literally a requirement for them to be at all effective. Of course, there are still right and wrong ways to be disruptive, that kid we were talking about before is a great example of the wrong way. By focusing the narrative on the protestors themselves and, say, hiding behind legal technicality, you can effectively ignore the message. It's very similar to how MAGA painted BLM protestors in the wake of George Floyd's murder. "Yeah man, what that cop did was bad *wink wink*, but these protestors smashed a window so idk maybe he wasn't such a great guy *wink wink*."

Yeah I understand his disdain for AIPAC, but the progressives that continue to make these dumbass threats and want to try and derail Harris over fucking Israel truly blow my fucking mind, as if Trump wouldn't be infinitely worse. Make all the scenes you want, as far as I'm concerned, but actively trying to destroy our democracy if you don't get what you want is just straight up MAGA shit. The issue is just as important to me, but you can bet your ass I'll be out there pulling that lever for Harris as soon as humanly possible.

I found this article by Omer Bartov very interesting: https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/aug/13/israel-gaza-historian-omer-bartov No matter where you stand on this conflict, I encourage you to read it.

It's actually hilarious because Twitter can't handle this kind of traffic so they're effectively getting DDoS'd either way. I'd love to see what load testing they tried to do earlier, if it even happened.

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-08-01/ty-article/.premium/is-israel-deliberately-provoking-escalation-that-might-drag-the-u-s-into-the-conflict/00000191-0e5d-dc54-a7dd-ffdfbb610000 And this was written at the beginning of the month. It's just going to be an endless series of escalations until either Bibi's coalition is ousted or we're dragged into another massive conflict in the middle east. Spoilering the whole article because it's paywalled:

Just reinforcing the fact that single issue voters are morons.

Still funny as fuck to watch a dude defend to his dying breath "self drive" features that he has to pay a monthly fee for that isn't even better than the adaptive cruise and lane keep assist in my car.

Steph Curry

Now that's how you flop

How does a man turning 40 in a few months move like that??

Ant is really getting after it on D

I tried so hard to twist this into a South Austin's mom joke but I just couldn't do it without it sounding creepy. Alas.

It's a slippery slope down to the PRONG HORN mines.

It would be really easy to do but I have severe doubts about that happening. Not because she's not capable, mind you. I agree that showing something will seal the deal for her, it doesn't necessarily have to include a ceasefire but it would be nice and obviously very helpful for her. Either way I'll be the happiest I've been pullling the lever since Obama's 2nd term.

Always interesting to see what you're willing to engage with. Human rights abuses? Netanyahu's shitty conduct? Certainly not. Anyone you can scold while hiding behind legal technicalities? That's your jam! Here's my counter point: Who gives a fuck? Ignoring the fact that it doesn't matter even a little bit that they protested the day before, they were clearly doing it in response to Netanyahu's forthcoming speech before Congress, in addition to their ongoing protest against the genocide. Really weird argument to make, I'm not even sure what point you're trying to make besides trying to be a debatelord. Aha, they were there the day BEFORE, so clearly it had NOTHING to do with Bibi! Points for me!!! As to the rest, I can tell you right now, as a person with a functioning brain that does not equate legality with morality, that I don't give a single fuck about an arbitrary rule that was deliberately made policy by the Capitol Police in order to circumvent the first amendment and neither should you. Shouting "b-b-b-b-b-but they're breaking the law" is not, and never has been, a compelling argument against peaceful protest. Unless you're a bootlicker, I suppose. On the contrary, civil disobedience is, in fact, the only effective way to protest. The laws/rules/policies in place that tell you when, where, and how you are allowed to protest are largely designed to minimize the impact and visibility of your protest, not to actually protect anyone. That said, do I agree that you're an asshole if you block a road where hard working people are just trying to get to work and survive? Of course. Are you an asshole if you vandalize public or private property to try and get your message across? Definitely. Are you an asshole if sit down in the middle of the capitol rotunda and peacefully protest? Abso-fucking-lutely not. In fact, you should keep doing it (as JVP has been) and tell them to suck your fucking dick every time they arrest you for it.

I understand your position and thanks for the reply. It actually sounds like my approach to poker (not being results oriented but trying to make the correct decisions in any given situation). I totally agree there are too many people that don't understand the assignment, mostly students with their hearts in the right place, but not sufficiently educated or experienced to understand how to actually advance the cause instead of just rubbing shit in people's faces when they disagree with you. There's a fine line between making people uncomfortable (which any effective protest must do) and just pissing them off so they close their minds to what you're saying, for sure. On that note, I'm certainly guilty myself of being overly aggressive on this topic at times, but mostly I just get enraged when I see people post shit from right wing rage bait accounts and just smile and nod, especially when it's a poster (like tx 3 putt) that I consider otherwise excellent and level headed. The same applies to the OSINT propaganda dorks. It's the same reason that I will immediately shit all over PRONG HORN when he posts in this thread, because he'll post some absolute dogshit agitprop from Ian Miles Cheong or some other reactionary dipshit and instead of getting absolutely barbecued by the board at large like he would in any other thread (that's not in the DT), it's always just crickets because looking the other way regarding Israel is the default position in this country. Personally, the fact that Bibi can just waltz into to our country and scold Congress on national TV because the president or whomever tells him he needs to dial the violence back or no more weapons is incredibly insulting to me. The fact that we subsequently arrested hundreds of people for protesting at the capital while he was speaking (most of whom were protesting peacefully with Jewish Voice for Peace) is absolutely unconscionable to me and yet it can't be discussed in here at all because no one will engage the topic. It's just drive by tweets and nothing else.

Actually kind of brutal for Trump. Lots of people in the Rogan sphere that will just vote for whoever Rogan says he's voting for.

Getting an expired certificate notice when I navigate to the site. I'm sure you're aware but yeah.

I agree with @bolverk's response to this, but I'll add that I find it pretty damned amusing that you have all kinds of smoke for this utterly irrelevant and entirely toothless group of dumb students, and nothing but crickets for the human rights abuses that the IDF is perpetrating, with full throated support (and threats of toppling the government if it were to stop) from certain prominent Israeli politicians. I know that you've since walked back your position that those of us that speak up for Palestinians and criticize the actions of the Israeli government are just antisemites in disguise, and I do thank you for that, but maybe you should reconsider your approach to this topic if you continue to find yourself on the same side as the worldwide reactionary right, and have nothing else to add but drive by shitposts whenever someone posts a tweet from a right-wing rage bait account. It's amazing how this particular subject turns people like him, otherwise great posters, into barely coherent reactionaries. He's not going to respond because he never does when called out (refusing to defend your positions in any way also being a common reactionary tactic), but yeah.