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Bozo_Casanova

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  1. Yes, it requires you to be open to the possibility that they aren’t imagined, even if the reasons are more complex than it seems to them. If someone gets shafted, they got shafted. That should be enough for you.
  2. What would be the fun in that? Solidarity instead of rejection I COMPLETELY disagree. I think the mainstream of the progressive movement is mainly a social/cultural affection of older, mass affluent whites who enjoy the performance of “helping people*” as long as it doesn’t involve personal risk or loss of social status. *the right kind of people
  3. Is that thread worth reading? It seems like such a local issue I’m struggling to follow it other than that I see people online being super racist about Somalis and other East Africans in MSP. That sucks because they are awesome, work super hard, and their cuisines kick ass.
  4. Indeed that’s why I didn’t offer examples to begins with- I’m not trying to prove the existence of a generalized problem. The personal experience of any human is entirely subjective and inherently anecdotal. I’m arguing that the progressive movement should be open to people who feel the economy is rigged against them or been denied opportunity for no reason other than being born, and should not deny the realities of their lives or wave them away with statistical generalities.
  5. No that’s a no?
  6. Strange to say, I never saw any of that. In the view from my seat H1B visas were used to supplement the workforce where skilled labor and qualified labor was too scarce to fully meet our needs. In my experience the people who resent H1B visas think the demand should be met by upskilling or training of domestic workers. That’s a valid POV, but not what we’re talking about here and any rate nobody who was in the mix lost out. We needed qualified hands and H1Bs delivered them. “DEI” has become such a loaded, catch-all term that I’m not sure what you would be referring to above, other than to say that I don’t think the exclusion of millennial males from jobs or promotional opportunities (at least that I saw) was part of any program, as it were, DEI or otherwise. It was more of an emergent consensus.
  7. I didn’t provide examples because it didn’t seem productive. My experiences were aligned to what 956 described in the first page. I don’t want to discuss either my role or previous employers for obvious reasons. I could describe the broad outlines of some things I saw, but I have to say I’m not sure what that would accomplish. You’d still be taking my word for it. Still want a couple of examples?
  8. That’s probably true and I think college admissions is its own ball of wax, but it is disappointing to see that race/gender based affirmative action seems to have offered such limited benefit to would-be first generation college students and to lower-middle/working-class families, which is who progressives should be working for.
  9. But again, how do you respond to people who weren’t lied to, but were in fact actually excluded from consideration for jobs or promotions on the sole basis of their race or gender? Multiple people on this thread, including me, have said they saw this happening. Are you promising that’s some kind of shared delusion?
  10. Amen to that.
  11. But you’re begging the question when you call it bullshit
  12. I think I have made very clear for several years that I feel very alienated from the progressive movement. There are many reasons, but they all revolve around the distance progressives put between themselves and the objects of their concern and the othering of the people who would benefit. If the progressive movement and democratic politics were still rooted in economic solidarity with the majority of the adult working population, they would work and speak in ways that finds common cause with any person getting shafted. But it doesn’t, so they don’t. This thread is replete with examples. Indeed. Not just impolite, but impolite in way that is gross and déclassé because the focus should be on “helping others.” It’s like the white liberal version of the “oh, you know the ones” meme. That’s your answer to someone who says they personally were denied opportunity because of their gender or race? Wow. The gaslight is strong with this one.
  13. Well, I think we are fundamentally talking about how the progressive movement engages or not with the feelings of voters they lost. I made clear upthread, as others have, that I saw it happening in real life from the other side of the desk for a decade. By definition, that’s anecdotal, but so is everything you have seen and experienced in your life.
  14. Right. It most of this thread is people who pretty clearly don’t care about +/- a quarter of them, or about half if the focus is limited to “the disadvantaged poor,” ie, people not like us.
  15. But that’s not really what you said, is it? Let’s try this another way: You acknowledging that some significant number of millennial males feel they *personally* were denied jobs and or promotional opportunities on the basis of their gender and/or race, correct? Why do they feel that way?
  16. No, I've asked you to accept that members of a demographic cohort seems to *feel* that it has happened to them personally or recognize that it was happening around them. People on this thread keep talking about policy and DEI. also wouldn't use the word policy to describe what I saw or what the essay is about. It seemed like more of a social phenomena, and something distinct from DEI efforts in corporate America, such as they were. So you get the reasons why, but those reasons don't exist. They are similar to Rats Of Unusual Size in this way. Got it. The disconnect, in a nutshell. I can't do better than this.
  17. this is an excellent post and makes me feel better about starting this thread.
  18. Prepare to have your personal lived experience DESTROYED with FACTS and LOGIC
  19. Good post, agree about all of this. But I am fascinated by the virality of it, because it has resonated with so many people. Some of that is because it’s been picked up and amplified by the right wing social media ecosystem, but initially it was apparently organic and I don’t think that happens unless people recognize their own lives in something. Even the whining, silly as it is, speaks to the despair some readers are feeling about their future. Which, again, is fertile ground. The nexus of limited opportunity and despair is supposed to be the progressive wheelhouse. But instead, we look at this one group and recoil. This is an aside- the point above about “the disadvantaged poor” is very telling, because that’s who affluent progressives aren’t. In other words they want to do sympathy, not empathy. When they see somebody like them having a bad time, except less privileged and 10 years younger, and it seems to give them the ick.
  20. I never said anything about DEI policies or the disadvantaged poor, not sure what you are referring to there.
  21. I’m talking about millennial males because that’s who the essay is about, and it’s who I saw this happening to at that time. I infer they are angry because men under 50 shifted from supporting both Clinton and Biden by about 10 to a narrow Trump majority in 24. I never said anything about them being racist, and as I made clear earlier I think this phenomenon was general to millennial men, but particularly the white ones. No, and I don’t think it’s productive to assign them motives, for two reasons: 1) Millennials never listened to Rush or Hannity. I know what you are getting at about media, but it doesn’t apply to them. 2) Their behavior shifted. Trump didn’t win them over. Democrats lost them. But there’s a broader point here and it had a lot of do with my purpose in starting this thread. And I’m going to put it in all caps not to yell at you, but to catch the eye of people skimming a long post. 80% OF THE AMERICAN ADULT POPULATION IS GETTING SHAFTED. And on top of that, another 19% is mostly doing OK but only because they have been conscripted as Janissaries in service of the top 1%. Most progressives (who, not for nothing, live securely within that 19%) would read that paragraph and nod their head. But for some reason, progressives (broadly speaking) look at 28% of those people getting shafted and say, essentially, “fuck ‘em.”
  22. Honestly it’s very hard not to love Chris Finch as an NBA fan. He’s like the modern day Jerry Sloan.
  23. kevmiller 5:44p A season where we do not even appear in a conference title game. Don't beat Texas And don't win a bowl/ postseason game is considered a top 5 season in the history of our program. Yeah that's sad and shows how mediocore our program really is. BTW. Your list is not anywhere close to accurate if you're basing your ranking on season accomplishments 1 edit 13 ...
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