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Bozo_Casanova

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  1. Then nothing. Then solidarity. You realize progressives lost these people, right? They were with you, now they aren’t. You lost them, because you didn’t care.
  2. You realize you aren’t in front of a jury, right? I’ve read the piece. I brought it to your attention. So your whole Miss Cleo routine where you speculate on his motivations that follows would need to pass through the filter of my lived experience to get accepted, not to mention the fact that you obviously have no idea about why he or anyone else thinks what they think. Sales, marketing, politics, evangelism even- they aren’t litigation. You’re dealing with deciders who have their own version of the facts and causation before they hear from you. And there’s no referee or independent party to say what’s fair and what’s foul. It all counts.
  3. Fucking monsters. Unreal.
  4. I’m not cutting anybody slack. My problem with the people on this thread, progressives in general and Joe Rogan is the same: I don’t like people who kick down.
  5. Tomato potato
  6. What a fucking clown. He’s going to be so sad when he comes in third in the 28 primary
  7. No, I’m saying that #1 is the required step. That’s quite a take. So you are suggesting that instead of actively listening, progressives who want to win back aggrieved people should simply wait to talk? how’s that going?
  8. Minorities are not the ones pushing them away. White progressives are.
  9. But for American progressives, that question goes right to the source of their privilege and is therefore too close to home.
  10. That’s a good question. Probably not, honestly, beyond shaving a 5-10% of their vote back. But considering the alternative that seems material, and maybe more. Look at Mamdani, for example. His entire thing is not excluding people and taking their grievances at face value. And it wins. You can’t do shit unless you win.
  11. That seems weird. If people are saying “I got shafted,” demanding they prove it to you is a weird way to engage them. Do you have the luxury of alienating them?
  12. I’m not sure that’s possible, and we’ve seen the reverse in rural Texas.
  13. Yes, it requires you to be open to the possibility that they aren’t imagined, even if the reasons are more complex than it seems to them. If someone gets shafted, they got shafted. That should be enough for you.
  14. What would be the fun in that? Solidarity instead of rejection I COMPLETELY disagree. I think the mainstream of the progressive movement is mainly a social/cultural affection of older, mass affluent whites who enjoy the performance of “helping people*” as long as it doesn’t involve personal risk or loss of social status. *the right kind of people
  15. Is that thread worth reading? It seems like such a local issue I’m struggling to follow it other than that I see people online being super racist about Somalis and other East Africans in MSP. That sucks because they are awesome, work super hard, and their cuisines kick ass.
  16. Indeed that’s why I didn’t offer examples to begins with- I’m not trying to prove the existence of a generalized problem. The personal experience of any human is entirely subjective and inherently anecdotal. I’m arguing that the progressive movement should be open to people who feel the economy is rigged against them or been denied opportunity for no reason other than being born, and should not deny the realities of their lives or wave them away with statistical generalities.
  17. No that’s a no?
  18. Strange to say, I never saw any of that. In the view from my seat H1B visas were used to supplement the workforce where skilled labor and qualified labor was too scarce to fully meet our needs. In my experience the people who resent H1B visas think the demand should be met by upskilling or training of domestic workers. That’s a valid POV, but not what we’re talking about here and any rate nobody who was in the mix lost out. We needed qualified hands and H1Bs delivered them. “DEI” has become such a loaded, catch-all term that I’m not sure what you would be referring to above, other than to say that I don’t think the exclusion of millennial males from jobs or promotional opportunities (at least that I saw) was part of any program, as it were, DEI or otherwise. It was more of an emergent consensus.
  19. I didn’t provide examples because it didn’t seem productive. My experiences were aligned to what 956 described in the first page. I don’t want to discuss either my role or previous employers for obvious reasons. I could describe the broad outlines of some things I saw, but I have to say I’m not sure what that would accomplish. You’d still be taking my word for it. Still want a couple of examples?
  20. That’s probably true and I think college admissions is its own ball of wax, but it is disappointing to see that race/gender based affirmative action seems to have offered such limited benefit to would-be first generation college students and to lower-middle/working-class families, which is who progressives should be working for.
  21. But again, how do you respond to people who weren’t lied to, but were in fact actually excluded from consideration for jobs or promotions on the sole basis of their race or gender? Multiple people on this thread, including me, have said they saw this happening. Are you promising that’s some kind of shared delusion?
  22. Amen to that.
  23. But you’re begging the question when you call it bullshit
  24. I think I have made very clear for several years that I feel very alienated from the progressive movement. There are many reasons, but they all revolve around the distance progressives put between themselves and the objects of their concern and the othering of the people who would benefit. If the progressive movement and democratic politics were still rooted in economic solidarity with the majority of the adult working population, they would work and speak in ways that finds common cause with any person getting shafted. But it doesn’t, so they don’t. This thread is replete with examples. Indeed. Not just impolite, but impolite in way that is gross and déclassé because the focus should be on “helping others.” It’s like the white liberal version of the “oh, you know the ones” meme. That’s your answer to someone who says they personally were denied opportunity because of their gender or race? Wow. The gaslight is strong with this one.
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