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Bozo_Casanova

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  1. I didn’t provide examples because it didn’t seem productive. My experiences were aligned to what 956 described in the first page. I don’t want to discuss either my role or previous employers for obvious reasons. I could describe the broad outlines of some things I saw, but I have to say I’m not sure what that would accomplish. You’d still be taking my word for it. Still want a couple of examples?
  2. That’s probably true and I think college admissions is its own ball of wax, but it is disappointing to see that race/gender based affirmative action seems to have offered such limited benefit to would-be first generation college students and to lower-middle/working-class families, which is who progressives should be working for.
  3. But again, how do you respond to people who weren’t lied to, but were in fact actually excluded from consideration for jobs or promotions on the sole basis of their race or gender? Multiple people on this thread, including me, have said they saw this happening. Are you promising that’s some kind of shared delusion?
  4. Amen to that.
  5. But you’re begging the question when you call it bullshit
  6. I think I have made very clear for several years that I feel very alienated from the progressive movement. There are many reasons, but they all revolve around the distance progressives put between themselves and the objects of their concern and the othering of the people who would benefit. If the progressive movement and democratic politics were still rooted in economic solidarity with the majority of the adult working population, they would work and speak in ways that finds common cause with any person getting shafted. But it doesn’t, so they don’t. This thread is replete with examples. Indeed. Not just impolite, but impolite in way that is gross and déclassé because the focus should be on “helping others.” It’s like the white liberal version of the “oh, you know the ones” meme. That’s your answer to someone who says they personally were denied opportunity because of their gender or race? Wow. The gaslight is strong with this one.
  7. Well, I think we are fundamentally talking about how the progressive movement engages or not with the feelings of voters they lost. I made clear upthread, as others have, that I saw it happening in real life from the other side of the desk for a decade. By definition, that’s anecdotal, but so is everything you have seen and experienced in your life.
  8. Right. It most of this thread is people who pretty clearly don’t care about +/- a quarter of them, or about half if the focus is limited to “the disadvantaged poor,” ie, people not like us.
  9. But that’s not really what you said, is it? Let’s try this another way: You acknowledging that some significant number of millennial males feel they *personally* were denied jobs and or promotional opportunities on the basis of their gender and/or race, correct? Why do they feel that way?
  10. No, I've asked you to accept that members of a demographic cohort seems to *feel* that it has happened to them personally or recognize that it was happening around them. People on this thread keep talking about policy and DEI. also wouldn't use the word policy to describe what I saw or what the essay is about. It seemed like more of a social phenomena, and something distinct from DEI efforts in corporate America, such as they were. So you get the reasons why, but those reasons don't exist. They are similar to Rats Of Unusual Size in this way. Got it. The disconnect, in a nutshell. I can't do better than this.
  11. this is an excellent post and makes me feel better about starting this thread.
  12. Prepare to have your personal lived experience DESTROYED with FACTS and LOGIC
  13. Good post, agree about all of this. But I am fascinated by the virality of it, because it has resonated with so many people. Some of that is because it’s been picked up and amplified by the right wing social media ecosystem, but initially it was apparently organic and I don’t think that happens unless people recognize their own lives in something. Even the whining, silly as it is, speaks to the despair some readers are feeling about their future. Which, again, is fertile ground. The nexus of limited opportunity and despair is supposed to be the progressive wheelhouse. But instead, we look at this one group and recoil. This is an aside- the point above about “the disadvantaged poor” is very telling, because that’s who affluent progressives aren’t. In other words they want to do sympathy, not empathy. When they see somebody like them having a bad time, except less privileged and 10 years younger, and it seems to give them the ick.
  14. I never said anything about DEI policies or the disadvantaged poor, not sure what you are referring to there.
  15. I’m talking about millennial males because that’s who the essay is about, and it’s who I saw this happening to at that time. I infer they are angry because men under 50 shifted from supporting both Clinton and Biden by about 10 to a narrow Trump majority in 24. I never said anything about them being racist, and as I made clear earlier I think this phenomenon was general to millennial men, but particularly the white ones. No, and I don’t think it’s productive to assign them motives, for two reasons: 1) Millennials never listened to Rush or Hannity. I know what you are getting at about media, but it doesn’t apply to them. 2) Their behavior shifted. Trump didn’t win them over. Democrats lost them. But there’s a broader point here and it had a lot of do with my purpose in starting this thread. And I’m going to put it in all caps not to yell at you, but to catch the eye of people skimming a long post. 80% OF THE AMERICAN ADULT POPULATION IS GETTING SHAFTED. And on top of that, another 19% is mostly doing OK but only because they have been conscripted as Janissaries in service of the top 1%. Most progressives (who, not for nothing, live securely within that 19%) would read that paragraph and nod their head. But for some reason, progressives (broadly speaking) look at 28% of those people getting shafted and say, essentially, “fuck ‘em.”
  16. Honestly it’s very hard not to love Chris Finch as an NBA fan. He’s like the modern day Jerry Sloan.
  17. kevmiller 5:44p A season where we do not even appear in a conference title game. Don't beat Texas And don't win a bowl/ postseason game is considered a top 5 season in the history of our program. Yeah that's sad and shows how mediocore our program really is. BTW. Your list is not anywhere close to accurate if you're basing your ranking on season accomplishments 1 edit 13 ...
  18. The only qualifiers I do like are automatic qualifiers. If you can’t win your conference you don’t belong in any playoffs.
  19. Because I don’t think one can prove the reality of other people’s lived experience. It’s like when my wife’s cousin, a very wealthy Biden donor from SE Texas, looked at a poll of people saying they were worse off financially in 24 than in 2022 and he said “they’re lying!” There’s not much to say. I posted something to see the extent to which people here could relate it. The answer is not very much. It is what it is.
  20. If you are asking what I think- I don’t think “white males” get shafted at the population level. I think that individual white males under about 45 who do not have money or connections or good luck get shafted sometimes, and when they do, progressives either don’t care or blame them.
  21. No doubt. But what this thread presupposes is, maybe some of them do? Because that would explain a lot. White males are obviously in control of a an oversized share of the money and power in our society, but that doesn’t translate to any single person. The entire premise that a white man never gets shafted essentially asserts that me, the guy unloading the truck at the carpet store and Donald Trump Jr. all have the same privilege relative to any non-white person or any woman.
  22. You made a very good point on #3, which I addressed directly.
  23. Hoping? I’m hoping that progressives begin to admit the possibility that their political project should go back to welcoming and advocating for any person who is getting the short end of the stick.
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