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Coelenterate Fuccboi

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  1. 1 minute ago, Llogg said:

    As I said, his inclusion criteria basically cherry picked studies to review that would lead to his preferred conclusion.

    To your second point, that's why the study I linked (which was a prospective study, not a meta-analysis of retrospective studies) made the spanking binary. Never spanking is not an arbitrary point along a spectrum.

    Anyway, have a good Thanksgiving I'm done.

    Happy thanksgiving.

  2. 4 minutes ago, Llogg said:

    Having been involved in research a little bit I disagree with your assumption about study design. I will allow that studies where there is a financial incentive for one outcome will be more likely to have bias in design, but I can't imagine such an incentive in this issue. 

    I did not say the age cut off was arbitrary. I said the distinction between abuse and acceptable spanking is arbitrary. 

    Well, he did review 38 studies to come to his conclusion but maybe that one you referenced wipes out all that data.

    Basically, any discipline can have an arbitrary distinction between acceptable and unacceptable.

  3. Llogg, you and I both know studies are almost always initiated with an agenda. Even ones you support.

    As I stated in my edit, I’m not tracking down the studies referenced in the article because it would take more time than I’m willing to put into something which would have no impact on your opinion.

    Edit: Also, what we know about the age of personality development may have something to do with the division used in the article. It may not be as arbitrary as you think.

  4. 11 minutes ago, Llogg said:

    Go ahead and quote them. I'm happy to track them down and learn if my views are wrong. But I'm fairly certain these studies that show spanking is beneficial do not exist. The best you might hope for is a neutral effect.

    “Dr. Robert Larzelere of the University of Nebraska Medical Center reviewed 38 studies and found that in children under 7, nonabusive spanking produced no harmful effects and reduced misbehavior when used as a backup for milder discipline techniques like reasoning or timeouts.”

    https://www.nytimes.com/2001/08/25/us/findings-give-some-support-to-advocates-of-spanking.html

    The article is a good discussion. People will use what they know works and I’m not one to judge them for their choice as long as it’s not extreme. I will support spanking over those who choose not to discipline their children because I believe the outcome is much worse.

    Truth is, your mind is made up, just like everyone else on this board. Not every discipline works for every event or child. Any discipline can escalate into abuse. Therefore, holding a hard line isn’t warranted unless it is abuse.

  5. 1 minute ago, TKthunder2 said:

    While we’re talking about DTs can someone explain to me why we couldn’t land Ed Oliver?

     

     

    😉

    Something about a coach who was sleeping with his mom and may have also been his uncle. That combined with his girlfriend attending Houston and their ability to outbid everyone else. Did I cover it all?

  6. 40 minutes ago, SubliminalHorn said:

    I would like to know what studies support spanking. I don’t know for sure, but I have doubts they exist. Spanking causes real trauma for children developmentally. 

    I could quote you some studies but they’d likely be considered ancient history to you. They may not even be on the INTERNET. You know 20 years or more. We’ve gotten som much smarter since then...

  7. 35 minutes ago, Monster said:

    This is false.   You do realize there are 'forms of discipline' that don't involve physically striking a someone, right?   

    But if beating your kids is the only way you know how to teach a lesson, then hammer away!   And when your kids become adults and move out and stop returning your phone calls, and never come to visit, you can just pour another glass of whiskey and mutter about ingratitude until you pass out every night.      I would suggest you arrange a cleaning service once a week, or some other weekly visitation, because if you don't, and you do inevitably die embittered and alone--it's going to be two or three weeks before anybody finds your rotting corpse on the couch.    

    Maybe you just don’t understand logic. One parents grounding can turn into never letting them leave the house. Timeout can turn into being locked in a closet for days or weeks at a time. These stories are real and are examples of punishment, which you may deem appropriate, being taken to abusive extremes. You don’t think these children felt the same way about their parents as one who was physically abused?

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