ButtFumble

that was the closest 1st down ever UTSA got fucked

Tech dicked off their time outs.....like Mike is back kicker missing....like mike is back again

Tech just picked it off but a hands to the face....it is like Kliff is back

I thought they were going to open the season with "the Gundy game" there for a bit, but it looks like they can win this

these Penn State white tub tops need a flash rain storm

that was hands to the face on that WVU QB tackle the refs are shit

the UH uniforms match the Jersey Mikes sign in the background

doink off the uprights for UTSA

this WVU QB had wheels and that was a hit to the head

hahaha now chief no hair redbull has them kick a 51 yard field goal and MISS!.....he would have been better off going for the 4th and 5

Vanderbilt baseball pulls ahead of Alabama A&M 5-3

nice sword swing there chief no hair redbull.....at home against UTSA and disgracing the Oilers colors and you go for it on 4th and 1 and fail......you should have taken the 3 points dickhead......and this should be a conference game in the AAC where UH belongs with this bullshit football

they should have kicked the field goal earlier it was way too early in the game to go for it and going for 2 here seems like Tom Herman "analiltixkz" and tossing out what the book says to actually do

that was a great catch by Hawaii I am glad they at least got 3 from it I hope they come out after the half and crush Stanford

why would I be having a mental break down? I am not feeling attacked at all although I am a bit embarrassed that apparently the standard for Texas football is to talk shit about "dragging a conference" while having at least two conference losses every year for 13 straight years and never winning the conference once....worse yet lacking any objectivity at all that not only has TCU destroyed anything that SMU has done athletically for over two decades, but trying to shit on TCU when TCU has done more recently than Texas has.....or acting like SMU is suddenly going to wake up and dominate because they got in the ACC where the top programs are talking about leaving daily and in addition because "SMU has money" while Texas as much as anyone should know that money does not equal wins.....I mean fuck even if it did for Texas we can still point to aggy and se it doesn't or now some claiming that Baylor, TCU an UH should feel bad for not wanting SMU in the conference....when we know the answer from Texas to UH being in the conference much less SMU was a massive FUCK NO....and of course that answer of FUCK NO was the 100% correct answer and it should have remained that even after Texas and OU left.....because recreating the SWC is just recreating a conference waiting to die a sad slow death

2010 Mack Brown 5–7 2–6 6th (South) 2011 Mack Brown 8–5 4–5 T–6th W Holiday 2012 Mack Brown 9–4 5–4 T–3rd W Alamo 18 19 2013 Mack Brown 8–5 7–2 T–2nd L Alamo Charlie Strong (Big 12 Conference) (2014–2016) 2014 Charlie Strong 6–7 5–4 T–6th L Texas 2015 Charlie Strong 5–7 4–5 T–5th 2016 Charlie Strong 5–7 3–6 T–6th Tom Herman (Big 12 Conference) (2017–2020) 2017 Tom Herman 7–6 5–4 T–4th W Texas 2018 Tom Herman 10–4 7–2 2nd W Sugar† 9 9 2019 Tom Herman 8–5 5–4 T–3rd W Alamo 25 2020 Tom Herman 7–3 5–3 3rd W Alamo 20 19 Steve Sarkisian (Big 12 Conference) (2021–present) 2021 Steve Sarkisian 5–7 3–6 7th 2022 Steve Sarkisian 8–5 6–3 3rd L Alamo 25 25 only someone with an aggy ring thinks the above is "dragging a conference" the only thing dragging for not winning the conference one time in 13 fucking years is ASS....having at least two conference losses every year for 13 years sucks cocks when you have what Texas has to offer.....it is not like Texas has money and is in college station wearing overalls, milk man uniforms, and toy soldier garb with dudes for cheerleaders and jizz jars......if the above is the Texas standard for dragging a conference then Texas is fucked in the SEC SEC SEC fucking shit have some fucking standards

well perhaps you and I understand that idea that college athletes rarely go pro.....but players that get heavily recruited do not go to college to play academics they go to play sports that is the sad reality that has us in a 684 page thread with 34152 replies talking about Stanford and Cal in the ATLANTIC COAST conference for $15 million per year and SMU in there giving up TV money for 9 years if athletes gave a shit about education the Ivy League would still be kicking the shit out of everyone and Cal and Stanford would be some of the top programs in the USA along with GaTech, Vandy, Duke, and Northwestern

to the first sentence I see the complete opposite I think the Big 12 is the most stable it has been in 8 or more years.....that does not mean they are in a great position by any stretch, but here is how I see it 1. the new TV contract for the Big 12 is basically about a $1 to $2 million dollar immediate bump in TV money over the final years of what the current Big 12 deal pays.....this means that the Big 12 which paid more than the ACC in 2022 per member will have a blip up in TV money and then scale up from there for the next 6 years of that deal (that starts after next year)....so the the Big 12 without Texas and OU should remain competitive money wise with the ACC which is a pretty big accomplishment 2. unfortunately I do not see that Texas has dragged the Big 12 for the last few years....if they had Texas would not have churned through coaches and lost to Kansas several times 3. I feel that the instability of Texas and OU always having one foot out the door hurt both and especially Texas, but it hurt the rest of the Big 12 more.....you know Tech, Baylor, TCU, and OkState were constantly having recruits asking them if they came to those schools would they be playing Texas and OU in the future and what would happen to those programs and the conference of those schools left.....there is not a fucking chance that is healthy....no matter what those questions have now been answered....we all will await to see how those answers play into future recruiting for the Big 12 but on the flip side the ACC is just getting into that shit storm.....you know damn well that 50% plus of the ACC is now having to answer those same questions and that looks to be poised to drag out a hell of a lot longer than it did for the Big 12.....that is not a good thing for the conference overall and so far the answer for the Big 12 was a competitive TV contract with the ACC, 3 G5 programs and BYU....and then the ability to take 4 programs from the PAC 12.....while the answer for the ACC is to fleece Stanford and Cal and to give SMU a major opportunity 4. we are in a new era of the playoffs as well and I think that will help the Big 12 more than the ACC.....I think the ACC will still get Clemson in of course, but FSU had 4 losing seasons in a row prior to last year and they would have missed the playoffs last year as #13 I think the Big 12 has a better chance to get a 2nd team in the playoffs more consistently and they also will benefit from the fact that they should get one in every year no matter what (barring a disaster that could happen).....I think this is where the more consistent strength of the Big 12 in the middle of the conference will pay off....I think that Utah will be a big benefit there as well that could even help the Big 12 get 3 teams in occasionally 5. I think the more spread out recruiting will help the Big 12.....California IMO is wide open I am not sure that recruits will be flocking to USC and UCLA to freeze their asses off in the Big 10 playing "cement shoes" football that puts people to sleep more than MLB baseball I think Cal and Stanford are dead in football.....so that means that AU, ASU, BYU, and Utah have come real opportunities and perhaps even Colorado especially of Colorado can get a few out of Texas 6. I will 100% agree that Big 12 basketball is not blue bloods other than Kansas and there are consistency issues, but Utah and Arizona can help with that and perhaps UH can manage to not fuck something up overall I think the shit storm and instability for the ACC is just kicking in while it has been settled and settled a lot better than about anyone thought it would be for the Big 12....I think SMU has a chance to help the ACC and they can't help but help themselves, but I also think that Cal and Stanford just add to the shit storm that the ACC is about to face

I understand that SMU is expanding their stajium, but it will never match TCU and TCU is done with theirs and it is paid for and has been for a while and the TCU basketball arena had a very nice renovation done to it....SMU is extremely nice as well, but I would not give an edge to either and I would give a big edge to the performance of TCU and I am sure TCU is happy with who comes to play in theirs and I bring up endowments because that is what pays a lot of bills for a lot of things at private schools and people seem to be implying that TCU is tapped out or maxed out and that SMU is just getting started tapping their donors.....but that is not true TCU has been tapping their for sports for a lot longer and their major projects are done and more importantly TCU has not been doing that to the detriment of academics they have supported both at a very high level and nothing suggest that will change.....and in fact I would say that TCU has overall done a better job of supporting both https://www.nacubo.org/-/media/Nacubo/Documents/research/FY02-Institutional-Listing.ashx?la=en&hash=4CF4497E018E3DF361FA13B2078ED7BCB8F1D8DF that is the 2002 endowment numbers, but they have 2001 on there as well 2001 for TCU $913,072,000.....SMU $872,388,000........2002 TCU $829,516,000.....SMU $831,116,000 so bad year of returns for TCU.....but still 20 years later TCU is not $442,354,000 ahead after a year of good returns for both just for fun tossing in Baylor 2001 $614,480,000 and 2002 $584,333,000 and now 2022 Baylor $1,970,511,000 and Baylor has the better football facilities, has baseball, and they are in the process of building a new arena and in the highly flawed US News Baylor and SMU are very close and TCU is not far behind and I have seem some past business rankings that have TCU equal or better than SMU I would hardly say that one is miles ahead of the other academically (I will say that I think the ACC will help SMU academically because they can recruit more from the east while currently SMU actually recruits the west coast much better than the east)....I feel once the TCU Medical School gets built out that will help them a great deal and as they focus more on research they will probably go with a full engineering school and that will also help them

yea and you are trying to argue that a conference overall is much better because one bellcow in football performed better than Texas and OU and a couple of basketball programs did so 5+ years back at this point.....and you are somehow pretending that those bellcows in the ACC are not doing anything and everything they can to GTFOO the ACC ASAP and you are pretending that the bellcows in your conference talking weekly about how they want to GTFO is not harmful to those bellcows and even more harmful to the other programs in the conference you are also arguing about the strength of a conference that just "strengthened" themselves by adding two programs 3 time zones away that suck in all the major sports, hate the NIL, and that agreed to take shit money for 7 years just to get in and another program that basically paid their way in at least the Big 12 was able to add 4 PAC programs in a package at a full distribution and they have a 6 year contract to prove something before they go to market again while the ACC will still have FSU and Clemson and now UNC crying to get out ASAP and playing Olympic sports in Dallas neither conference is sitting pretty, but at least one stabilized themselves, found out they are still competitive market wise with the other even after losing their top programs, and added programs in a way that brings stability while the other is just entering the "we want out" shit storm from the bellweathers (one of which FSU has not done shit recently) and they are locked into a long term shit contract and added dead weight across the country to try and fleece them along with SMU (that we are all suppose to pretend will immediately perform like TCU when they have not even used their vast resources to dominate the shit conferences they have been in)

lets be honest this is a bit like jumbo fisher talking shit about TCU getting beat badly by UGA after beating Michigan and playing in the NC and ending the season ranked #2 with a head coach in his first year there (that took over a program with a ton or resources) while jumbo is one of the highest paid coaches in the game, has unlimited resources, and is in the SEC SEC SEC.....and shit the bed and missed a bowl game and lost to App State at home in his 5th season after taking over a program that was hardly on life support and after having the highest priced freshman class in the history of evAR you can't talk about the conference you are in while only concentrating on the best programs and ignoring the rest and you also can't talk about a conference you are in without paying attention to your own program (unless you are 85% of the Big 10 and aggy) and if Texas was not shitting the bed in the Big 12 and OU was not "big gaming it" perhaps the Big 12 would be a bit better in those stats.....it was the big boys in the Big 12 that let the Big 12 down if you want to look at what Clemson did for the ACC and with basketball it was mostly historically strong programs winning those NCs while in the Big 12 you have Baylor getting one and you also have Tech about 10 seconds and an unfortunate touch of an out of bounds ball from winning one

this is a great move for SMU no matter what.....the money in the ACC is probably the same or perhaps a bit better.....they will sell a ton more tickets for a lot more money at least at first......it will fire up their donors too but as a comparison to TCU......TCU did not "just hire the SMU coach to go to a championship" TCU in the 17 seasons prior to last year was ranked 10 times, 6 were in the top 10 and one was #9/#11 so an average of #10......one of them was #2 and one was #3......and again that is exclusive of the #2 last year so it is not like TCU "finally found their coach" TCU has 100% of their facilities built out especially football, basketball, and baseball.....SMU has basketball built out, no baseball and no room for a baseball stajium, and football needs a lot of work at this point the TCU endowment is $2,400,814,000 and SMU is $1,958,460,000 https://www.nacubo.org/-/media/Nacubo/Documents/research/2022-NTSE-Public-Tables--Endowment-Market-Values--FINAL.ashx?la=en&hash=362DC3F9BDEB1DF0C22B05D544AD24D1C44E318D both are in the middle of capital campaigns with a $1.5 billion goal for SMU and $1 billion for TCU....in the last few SMU tends to set the goal and get just past it while TCU tends to set the goal and go well past it for both of them to end with similar dollars (says something about the overall style differences of TCU vs SMU) I would say that TCU has more of their overall campus built out while SMU still has some major building projects they are doing (somehow) and that is probably related to SMU being even more squeezed for space than TCU SMU has the law school and a school of engineering while TCU has their new medical school (that needs to be built out) and their engineering is still only a department.....SMU is about $49 million in research with TCU $15.3.......both are putting a lot more emphasis on that I would say that overall TCU has spent their money better and they are in a better position, but SMU is making some noise......but TCU has plenty left to pull from and TCU has shown the ability to do that and to deploy those resources more effectively IMO

https://www.thecentersquare.com/north_carolina/article_5d0fb188-3e25-11ea-bd19-a727caa23dd9.html the above link is a bit dated of course, but it shows the private schools in addition to the public ones https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances this link shows the 2022 numbers the above is from the USA Today showing where programs stand if you remove the academic side subsidy because IMO no one should be impressed that a school can spend a lot of tuition and student fee money on athletics and call it "revenue" all the more so well beyond student approved fees when you look at those list the Big 12 is pretty cohesive as a conference and has programs that are pretty well in the middle of the P5 budget wise especially without subsidies.....in addition the Big 12 has very low subsidies and if you look at the USA Today links for each program the Big 12 has been moving to reduce academic side subsidies for a number of years.....da covid hurt those efforts, but I am sure they will get right back on track the ACC has a lot of very high subsidy programs and if you go with the idea that their private schools that are at the mid to ower levels budget wise in the 2018 data have probably not found massive sources of new revenues then the Big 12 is pretty competitive and the Big 12 has really avoided the very bottom of the P5 budgets where the PAC 12 had a much greater number of teams and where some ACC private teams are with the Big 12 BYU and Cincy should be able to reduce their subsidies a great deal and still have a good budget with an eventual full Big 12 share.....only UH (of course) will really be sucking ass with a reduced subsidy or sucking ass with a massively embarrassing subsidy (and no their alumni and donors are not going to step up that is all UH bullshit) the Big 12 will be getting a slight bump with the new contract (probably $1 to $2 million per member) over the end of the current deal and it will scale up from there.....while the ACC will have the new money from StanCaMu to split up, but otherwise they are in the same deal as now for another 12 or so years and if any of the top teams leave the ACC you have to wonder what ESPN will do with their contract and the Big 12 will sign another new deal long before the ACC does so the Big 12 is pretty competitive money wise with the ACC with the exception of Louisville, FSU, and Clemson, but on the bottom end the Big 12 looks a lot better IMO in addition Cal is just a fucking financial disaster with an $18 million per year debt service coming up and debt that will last them for another 60 fucking years.....and they are not taking a lot less money than in the PAC 12....SMU will see a bump overall, but they will probably remain in the bottom of P5 budgets long term

https://www.mercurynews.com/2023/08/26/mailbag-all-about-washington-state-and-oregon-state-from-the-pac-2-and-a-reverse-merger-with-the-mw-to-the-bylaws-and-war-chest/ at 7:53 the ASU president states that the Rose Bowl game is owned by the PAC 12 and Big 10.....there are articles out there from the past where the tournament of Roses states they provide money to the PAC 12 and Big 10 annually I believe it was $18 million each and that was back in the 2010s in the Wilner link he states there is $65 million in NCAA credits that will be paid out over the next decade or so and the PAC has $43 in assets and some of that is cash reserves and I am not sure that fully accounts for any PAC12n assets that could be sold off he also clears up that Comcast will be paid back by all 12 members and that will be out of the distributions that will happen in May of next year