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You have a serious problem with reading comprehension. All I've done is explain the law and where the driver went wrong. End of story. I've highlighted the portions above where your understanding of what I've written is absolutely fucking absurd. edit - FYI - I am pretty sure it's okay to hold two, perhaps even three, independent and related thoughts at once: The driver behaved rudely and, as it turns out, illegally, and his illegal behavior -- as opposed to his rude behavior -- led to ramifications. He's not at all a sympathetic figure in my eyes. Also, the police hold too much power in our society. And also, they are treated extremely leniently by the courts but there are many aspects to that, the most important of which are probably the Supreme Court's doing.

Perhaps your grasp of the situation would be helped if you went back and read the fucking thread. I'm done repeating myself. You think I'm some apologist for the cops? LOL go fuck yourself. For the record, Mimms sets the "reasonableness" standard so that courts look through the eyes of the cop acting with reasonable fear in performance of their duty. That standard entails courts (and therefore cities, states and police departments) giving cops extreme leniency. I don't know what to tell you...go look at what happened to the case of Eric Garner. 4 cops gang tackled him and not even the cop who put him in a prohibited choke hold and killed him was prosecuted. (edit - Garner was suspected of selling, get this, untaxed single cigarettes when the 4 cops approached him.) The homicidal cop wasn't even fired until 5 years later ffs. Take a look at the case of professional tennis player James Blake who totally out of the blue was slammed to the ground by an officer. No orders, no warning. He was literally just standing there by his hotel waiting for a ride. The cop got off with -- at the most -- some form of internal discipline that the public will never know about. What happened with the Dolphins player is tip of the iceberg. Honestly it's not even that. edit - also consider the ONLY union the political party that supports treasonous behavior supports is police unions. There's a reason for that but I'm not getting into it here.

I take it they're serious with that shit? They think that will help them get paying subscribers?

The way some of you haven't figured out that the courts will give the police extreme leniency and tolerate even gross misconduct is mind bottling.

Perhaps he is a cool dude. But he's behaving like an asshole and I'm just explaining my understanding of the law. Also I'll point out that I said "presume" because no matter what his skin color is, he still doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about here.

The way the law works in most cases, including situations such as this, previous court decisions dictate what's legal. Those court decisions, unfortunately, give police almost carte blanche to do pretty much anything they want within reason. If you want to start your journey toward learning about it perhaps start with Pennsylvania v. Mimms.

What does Ukraine have to do with anything? Is your shit reading comprehension hindering our discussion? Did you suffer a serious head wound at some point? Later bitch.

He's a cop, doing his job, dipshit. Now I see your grievance is that you believe people should be able to drive whatever speed they want. Good for you, you're a real cool dude. Also, your claim that they pulled him over because he's black is total bullshit. Just be glad you're finally learning how to behave if you ever do get pulled over.

So I guess what you're telling me is that you believe if you get pulled over and ignore a cop's lawful orders, that they will shrug it off and ignore it?

It's funny to see what I presume are bunch of white guys with no understanding of how the law works finding out how it works because some fucking football player on their fantasy team got pulled over on a traffic stop and did too many wrong things.

Did they pull their weapons when they ordered him out of the vehicle? If so, I missed it.

Unlike you, apparently, I'm not able to read the cop's mind. I simply watched the video and observed what actually occurred. And as it happens, whatever was in the cop's mind doesn't fucking matter under the law. That's what I'm discussing here. The cop might've wanted him to exit the vehicle so he could have a good look at what was in it, and then if he saw anything he deemed suspicious use that as probable cause to search the entire vehicle. The cop might've wanted him out of the vehicle simply because he felt safer if he were in handcuffs for the duration of the stop if he were. All of that is legal and your feelings don't matter.

That's actually exactly what they're saying. You say "zero threat" but as I've already stated, that's the whole point (nobody knows what kind of threat he was or if he has a weapon, or if he's going to fight them) and why you shouldn't fuck around when police order you to roll down your window or to exit a vehicle. edit - the dude was uncooperative, failed to follow orders, and his behavior was suspicious and bizarre. He gave the cops more than enough reason to pull him out of the vehicle.

Hopefully you're drunk and not actually as moronic as it appears.

Are you brain damaged or what?

What part of "you're required to follow a LEO's orders to roll down your window and to step out of the vehicle" are you finding so difficult to grasp?

And I wrote the exact same thing not more than 30 minutes ago. Michael Brown. Sandra Bland. Countless others have ended up dead because there's many bad cops in this country. While your best option is almost always to obey orders, sometimes even that's not enough.

Yesterday - "It's hard. I don't want to bring race into it, but sometimes it gets kind of iffy when you do. What if I wasn't Tyreek Hill? Lord knows what those guys would have done. I just wanted to make sure I was doing what my uncle always told me to do whenever you're in a situation like that -- put your hands on the steering wheel and just listen." oops In fact the opposite was true. He thought because he's Tyreek Hill he didn't have to obey lawful police orders.

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So, again, you're saying you fucked around and found out. I'm genuinely sorry for you. However, your personal experience has nothing to do with the situation of this dude getting pulled over for speeding and then refusing to follow lawful orders.

That would be a "you" problem bc I don't gaf.

Sure no experience. Except for the parts about law school and working for the Innocence Project on behalf of people who claimed to be wrongfully convicted of crimes. So go fuck yourself.

I don't think I'll be able to watch. I'm sure she'll kick his ass but I don't want the anxiety and infuriation. TBH I think she's going to put on a master class of how to treat that seditious asshole.

The last police encounter I had was getting pulled over for speeding on the backroads of Louisiana between NOLA and Lafayette. You can bet i rolled down my window, kept my hands on the wheel at all times, and moved slowly to provide my i.d. as requested, etc. Was I cognizant at all times that the cop may just decide to fuck with me because I was a jew boy from the big city of Austin, Texas? You betcha. I don't like that's how it is. I felt safer getting pulled over for fucking up while driving in Slovakia for chrissakes.

Michael Brown found out. Sandra Bland found out. If you give the cops any pretext to fuck with you, or murder you, they may just take it. Sometimes they don't even need pretext, they'll invent one. Unfortunately for the driver in this video he gave them plenty of pretext but luckily for him he came out of it alright.