Chuckie Finster

This is the disconnect. You may not care if he lasts past November but a hell of a lot of people do. I hate Trump as much as anyone on this planet, but “Will this guy survive four more years?” is absolutely a valid question for a voter to ask themselves and frankly it uncomfortably evens the playing field between the two candidates among normies who don’t follow politics on the regular.

This is a wild quote coming on a sports message board. The absolute peak enthusiasm for a floundering sports team is immediately after they fire their head coach. There’s no easier move that the Dems can pull to generate enthusiasm than getting Biden to step down.

Just curious, but does anything stick out to you about this quote? “The ticket that exists right now is a ticket that we can win on." Because something certainly sticks out to me. Again, ELEVEN congresspeople have come out against Biden publicly today. That does NOT happen without blessings from above, period.

I trust that there is absolutely no way in hell prominent Democrats like Adam Schiff and Jamie Raskin make their statements without the blessing of leadership.

Apologies, did not realize we were living in different realities. Could have saved us both a lot of time in this back and forth. Carry on.

Along with the most popular human being alive in Democratic politics, the most powerful Speaker of the House in generations, the current Democratic congressional leadership, and the majority of the Democratic base when polled on the topic. Other than that, though, wide support!

So now we are basically just waiting to see who folds first: Biden or literally every other powerful Democrat in the country. It's surprising to me to think that Biden will win that battle.

Correct, although I'm curious as to why you think this ultimately means Biden will be the candidate.

Sucks for the good guys, but the Avengers Endgame-esque final scene with all of the peripheral supes corralling the team was pretty cool.

It's remarkable that so many people have already forgotten what happened in 2020. The Democratic Primary was an absolute slog, it all just seemed so negative and messy ... and then over the course of about 48 hours, everything crystalized around Biden, the negative vibes were gone from everyone except the most hardcore Bernie supporters, people got excited again, Biden soared in the polls and it snowballed into an 8 month campaign of optimism. Everything changed in 48 hours, and all it took was a handful of important people - led by Jim Clyburn - emphatically getting behind Biden. THE EXACT SAME THING could (and likely would) happen with Kamala if Biden bows out and emphatically endorses her. This isn't complicated. There is nothing Biden can do for himself to give the Democratic Party the shot in the arm it sorely needs, but he can absolutely play the 2024 version of Clyburn and fulfill his stated goal of being a transitional president. Just do it, Joe.

Disagree wholeheartedly. That dude is beatable, gotta put your best foot forward now.

This is just sports to these people

Good to know a Newsmax reporter is being referred to as “some Democrats” by other reporters.

“Sources close to the President are furious at the push to get Biden off the ticket…. If they want him out, they’ll have to push.” What is even happening anymore?

Reminder that the Trump/Vance ticket is incredibly easy to campaign against if you are capable of delivering the message: '

I mean this with all due respect, but I think that first paragraph inadvertently says more about you than it does about us.

vaxxed?

I guess this take confuses me. All of this is driven by a deep desire to defeat Trump. Swapping candidates at this stage is essentially unprecedented and the riskiest move imaginable and the furthest thing from "relaxed."

There was a noticeable break in outside pressure from Saturday-Wednesday, that I think many attributed to the Trump shooting. I actually think this was the window they likely gave him to make the call on his own, and now the gloves are off.

I've said this before.... Go reread the Debate thread on here from that night. Same with twitter posts from that evening. Blaming the reaction on media/leadership is a blatant falsehood.

That.... is not what happened at all in 2015?

Finishing the first half at home vs Texas and then going to Seattle immediately after the All-Star break. Feels familiar.

But that's the thing, every piece of evidence is SCREAMING that sticking with Biden is a sure loss. The deck we are playing against is stacked, whether or not we replace Joe. Yes, running up the middle is a more predictable path that theoretically could work, but there's a reason teams attempt a Hail Mary when they are 50 yards from the end zone on their last play.