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  1. 1 hour ago, gsoda3 said:

    ok the error in your thinking is that things were just dandy until and because he reneged on the deal.   that's what i take by you meaning trump "started" this. 

     

    iran's been long fighting the US by proxy in iraq.  after ISIS was defeated in syria those attacks in iraq from militias backed by iran have increased.  tensions between the US and iran were already high because of this.  trump reneging on the deal increased the tension, but it was already there.   

     

     

    The roots of the conflict go back to 1953, 50 years prior to the US invading Iraq, and everything that's happened since. This did not start with Obama or Trump. They're merely the latest two actors to come into the 9th and 10th acts of this utterly wretched tragedy of political theatre.

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  2. Just now, Lobo said:

    I don't despise Jared as much as most of you in the CR.  However, I'd like to see Iran take him out because I want to see Donald console Ivanka at the state funeral.  I would imagine it would be exactly like Will Ferrell with the grieving woman in "Wedding Crashers."  

     

    Actually it'd probably be like his actual reaction to 9/11: "Now my dick is the biggest Ivanka ever had."

  3. 15 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

    So murder means disband and rape means no penalty.

    Rape meant no penalty from the NCAA. It's as if you only read like 3-4 sentences and only interpreted from it what you wanted it to say.

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    You're being a buffoon about this. 

    And your reading comprehension is utter shit today. And I say "today" out of respect because you're usually a lot better than this.

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    Why would the university be shut down by murder and not what was essentially a rape syndicate?  

    Who all was involved in the rape syndicate? With the insane murderer scenario, you were attributing guilt to all players, all coaches. You're talking about well over 100 people committing the murders alone, and for an entire year, you said. But the participation in such a hypothetical wouldn't be restricted to that, and you know that. You know full well that it would come with it firsthand knowledge by the athletic director, and very likely higher administrative sorts, and a whole host of others (even a mound of students, actually). And if it really was that pervasive, that wouldn't be just turning a blind eye. That would be fucking endorsement. Baylor's alleged to have 52 rapes by 31 players. I already told you what I thought of it, but I'll say it again: that is disgusting, and something should be done about it, but this isn't a matter of just doing shit that makes you feel good and/or throwing shit at the wall.

    Regardless, the arguments that you've put forth up until this point are just absolutely awful and you really should re-think them. You couldn't even be bothered to answer the most relevant questions I posed to you, which tells me you have something to hide and/or you're aware you're being disingenuous. I'll re-state:

    1. Because the NCAA did not act with the DP on Baylor, do you fear that massive amounts of rapes will continue/resume at Waco?
    2. Because the NCAA did not act with the DP on Penn State, do you fear they will knowingly employ a pedophile on its coaching staff?

    If you aren't, then what the fuck are you even doing here?

    You seem to be suffering under the delusion that universities are monolithic entities that act. They're not. They consist of individuals, and in each scandal, you have to decide what to do to administer actual justice on a case-by-case basis and not just taking brainless, lazy actions that are meant entirely to satisfy your own selfish blood lust and essentially nothing else.

    Seriously, who among the bad actors at SMU were punished? I really would like to know the answer to that question. Sherwood Blount? Doing just fine. Ron Meyer? I'm pretty sure that he had some regrets, but paying 18 year olds to play football for him wouldn't be anywhere near the top, if it even registers at all. Eric Dickerson? No. That motherfucker was paid over a million dollars per year at SMU, had an exceptional career in the NFL and is doing just fine now. Ask if he would reconsider taking payments from SMU if he knew the NCAA would banish them from competition a few years after he got drafted and tell me you're surprised that he laughed at you. Craig James? Again, the same thing. Even the guys like Stopperich and Stanley, who cooperated with the NCAA, would very likely have told you they would still have taken the money even if they knew they'd snitch years later. But they weren't punished, either. Nobody who was guilty in that sad tale suffered any sort of consequence short term or long, at least not due to the Death Penalty from the NCAA. Hell, the Indianapolis Colts employed Ron Meyer for 5 seasons even AFTER they learned all the lurid details of the death penalty, and they hired him well after knowing that he had committed multiple infractions while he was there.

    The whole point of the SMU example above is to say that there are feel-good actions and do-good actions. Do-good actions are those that both help the victims and punish the culprits. An NCAA-imposed death penalty against Penn State, Baylor, SMU, et al accomplishes neither. It just makes you feel good, and apparently that's all you think matters. If the answer to my previous two questions re: Penn State and Baylor are both "no," then by definition, you are satisfied with the actions that the universities and district attorneys offices took to alleviate those atrocities. Again, if you're turning to the NCAA to curb rape, you're turning to the wrong sources. You know better than that. And you don't need to take it from me; just ask the victims. If you asked any of those girls at Baylor or the then-young boys in Happy Valley if the NCAA terminating the football programs would suffice as justice to them, do you really think any of them would say "yes, that would satisfy me?"

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  4. 19 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

    That's my bigger question.

    If it was, you'd have asked it instead of attributing things to me that I never said nor believed.

    19 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

    There is no NCAA rule that says if a football program is found to have been a serial killer ring where the full coaching staff and all players habitually kidnapped and murdered young children over the course of a year

    If this insane scenario took place, the NCAA would be the least of such an institution’s concerns, and you know that. If that happened, the state government would swoop in, there’d be massive prosecutions and convictions and the university itself would very likely be forcibly shut down. Their football program would definitely shut down, and the NCAA wouldn't have needed to lift a finger to do so as it'd basically be a self-imposed one. 

    But we're talking about the NCAA, and you’re talking about serial killers? The NCAA had two test cases to look at for Baylor and they were led to what they did about it based on those two: Penn State and SMU. At Penn State, it was literally a handful of bad actors. Aside from not being within the 5-year window, all of the bad actors were removed from their positions, and many of them faced prosecution. Tell me with a straight face now that you fear, because the NCAA didn’t impose the death penalty on them, Penn State is at risk of suffering another saga of a Sandusky-type and a cover up of same. If you don’t, why would you support a death penalty? Same with Baylor. They’ve rid themselves of the bad actors. Do you fear that because the NCAA didn't terminate their program that there's going to be another Waco rape-fest?

    At SMU, the issue was not only repetitive, it was literally institutional. Even if by some miracle that all of the bad actors in that scenario were removed, SMU football couldn't exist anyways. Seriously, that whole episode involved pretty much all of the major boosters, the board of regents, the athletic director, the president, and even a former fucking governor of the State of Texas. SMU's athletic department wouldn't have been able to function if all of those guys were removed en masse. I doubt the NCAA even pondered that, but the fact was that the very people guilty of the worst violations were also the people who kept that department afloat. If they did ponder it, their decisions was basically "these fucking assholes aren't cooperating at all, the university isn't going to do a fucking thing about this shit, so we're going to do it for them."

    Was such action needed at Baylor? Penn State? No. None of you seriously fear that mass rapes will revisit Waco, and none of you seriously fear that a pedophile will be employed by Penn State's athletic department while they know he is a pedophile. Had the NCAA not acted, you would definitely fear that SMU would have continue to operate its football program with a fucking payroll for its recruits, including paying certain players up to 6-7 figure annual salaries, and you've have been right to fear that.

    And I say that as someone who opposes the death penalty in principle because I believe (based on precedent) that it punishes the innocent far more than the guilty. Seriously, the players who were paid at SMU went on to have normal lives completely unabated by the DP, as were the rich boosters who started all of it. Who suffered at SMU? Players who didn't take payments, the alumni who had nothing to do with it, and even players who weren't even fucking born yet and that was entirely predictable. I can't tell you how many coaches correctly predicted that SMU would be a "doormat for decades," as one of them put it, but it wasn't a brilliant prediction. It was obvious that it was going to take as long as it's taken for them to build themselves up to a position of respectability. Forrest Gregg's players never took money from Sherwood Blount, neither did any of Tom Rossley's, neither did Matt Cavan's, Phil Bennett's, June Jones', Chad Morris' or Sonny Dykes'. Those guys and their players were absolutely innocent of the type of wrongdoing that Ron Meyer and Sherwood Blount were known to commit with impunity, yet the former had to suffer for it instead of the latter.

    All that being said, if you had told me in some abstract seminar "well if the NCAA could only use the death penalty on one football program...," I'd definitely agree that it should have been SMU without question. That's the central question the NCAA ponders when they discuss the DP: if we do not act, do we fear that this will continue. At Baylor and PSU, the answer to that question was no, and that's why they didn't go that far.

    19 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

    They should still have their program disbanded.

    And not by the NCAA. That's my point. If you're asking yourself "what would the NCAA do" if that insane serial killer scenario panned out, you're thinking about the wrong shit.

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  5. 1 minute ago, texifornia said:

    Do you feel better defending them like this? Do you feel you've chosen a good hill to die on?

    Has nothing to do with feelings and I couldn't be paid enough to give two shits about Baylor and/or its football program. 

  6. 2 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

    That's incorrect as far as there being a rule against it.

    I said nothing regarding there being rules against that type of conduct, and you knew that.

    2 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

    There is a rule against unethical conduct and violations are presumed to be Level 1 violations.

    Never said there wasn't.

    2 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

    If you don't view what happened at Baylor as being enabled by massive amounts of unethical conduct on the part of athletic department members then we'll have to disagree.

    I do view it as massive amounts of unethical conduct. You're starting to tread on a massive strawman argument.

    2 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

    Of course you left yourself an out by saying there are zero rules that prescribe the death penalty for such offenses, knowing full well that there are zero rules "prescribing" the death penalty for any offenses.

    Again, there is a rule called the repeat violator rule which was enacted sometime in the mid-1980's. That was the rule that triggered the NCAA to cancel SMU football in 1987. And that's not an "out," either. That's a fact. I have no firsthand information regarding what the NCAA discussed regarding Penn State in 2012, but I'd bet my entire life's savings that what ultimately led them to deal sanctions instead of the death penalty was, again, the reality that Penn State was not within any sort of death penalty window. Had they been found guilty of some sort of violation regarding institutional control prior to Sandusky, then yes I'd fully expect the DP not only to be considered but also administered. Per the NCAA website:

    "What is the “death penalty”?

    The repeat-violator legislation (“death penalty”) is applicable to an institution if, within a five-year period, the following conditions exist:

    • Following the announcement of a major case, a major violation occurs and
    • The second violation occurred within five years of the starting date of the penalty assessed in the first case. The second major case does not have to be in the same sport as the previous case to affect the second sport.
    • Penalties for repeat violators of legislation, subject to exemptions authorized by the committee on the basis of specifically stated reasons, may include any of the following:

      • The prohibition of some or all outside competition in the sport involved in the latest major violation for one or two sport seasons and the prohibition of all coaching staff members in that sport from involvement (directly or indirectly) in any coaching activities at the institution during that period
      • The elimination of all initial grants-in-aid and recruiting activities in the sport involved in the latest major violation in question for a two-year period.
      • The requirement that all institutional staff member serving on the NCAA Board of Directors; Leadership, Legislative, Presidents or Management Councils; Executive Committee or other Association governance bodies resign their positions. All institutional representatives shall be ineligible to serve on any NCAA committee for a period of four years and
      • The requirement that the institution relinquish its Association voting privileges for a four-year period."
  7. 3 minutes ago, Doc Reeves said:

    Id call the little illegal setup they had at multiple levels of the Athletic Admin and local DAs office a serious "Lack of Institutional control"

    And had they been found guilty of "lack of institutional control" 5 years prior to that?

    The "death penalty" isn't even the formal name of the rule. It's the "repeat violator rule," and that's exactly what it means: get caught committing the same serious violation twice within 5 years, and the program is terminated. First time offenders within the 5-year window would never even be considered for the DP, no matter how heinous the violation is.

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  8. 1 minute ago, texifornia said:

    Because the football program was running an organized mass rape coverup?

    There are precisely and exactly zero rules within NCAA guidelines that prescribe the "death penalty" for such offenses, so to enforce one against them would be completely arbitrary, and you know that.

  9. 11 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

     I don't know, maybe he wasn't one of those guys, but I certainly thought he was.

    It's certainly not a thought without merit. His dad worked for the Second Mile, and I'd have to think that others who also did certainly knew something was up. It's not impossible to believe Matt didn't know anything, but it's damned difficult.

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  10. 3 hours ago, Jkwellborn said:


    I mentioned the same thing a while back with regard to his accuracy. Guys trotted out his completion percentage as proof that he was accurate.

    I mean there's a lot that goes into completion percentage. Yes, one of them is "have a guy that can get the ball there." But you also need guys who get in the right place, guys who can catch the ball, OL who can ward off DL from knocking shit down at the line, not having to play a hell of a lot of NFL-bound DB's, having a play caller that keeps the D honest enough to where they can't pin their ears and run to spots instead of having to rely on their athleticism to keep up with WR's, etc. Sam could have a better % than Colt and I'd still be saying the same thing you are, and for that exact reason. 

  11. On 12/29/2019 at 11:42 AM, Jkwellborn said:

    He’s not making them dive, go to the ground or stop to catch the ball.

    That's what's driven me nuts about Sam since he started playing. I've lost count of how many should-have-been long TD's he's hit due to the WR having to make a tough catch and forgoing additional yardage in order to (necessarily) do so, or just flat out missing an open guy. It's the exact opposite problem of the GDGD era: had QB's that could hit guys in stride, but they'd always be blanketed because GD basically telegraphed their fucking routes all the time.

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  12. 11 hours ago, VABuckeye said:

    Ok big Internet man. Go sit in your stadium named after a racist coach. Jesus. 

    If you're going to try to one-up in a pissing match where you're trying to out-virtue signal another in the names of 2 dead football coaches, you need to understand that Woody Hayes once said that all the Vietnamese people murdered at the My Lai massacre deserved to die, including the women and children. He was absolutely sick. His former assistant, Tiger Ellison, had it straight about the Bauman incident. When asked about it, he said (in the most glowing way only Tiger could) something to the effect of "it didn't surprise me." Yeah, it didn't surprise him because Woody Hayes was one of those people who believed that the greatest way to demonstrate strength is by simply being a dick.

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  13. 23 hours ago, EMAWesome said:

    So you are calling Thomas Sowell stupid?  You couldn't win a debate against one of Sowell's boogers.

    He's not stupid, just dishonest as hell.

    That being said, Thomas Sowell strikes me as far more honest than you.

  14. On 12/13/2019 at 5:58 AM, Mrs Whiggins said:

    Makes you want to laugh and cry at the same time. The comments below the tweets are on point. My favorite: "Even when given the fact that they are in the wrong room, they still insist on ignoring the evidence. Very on brand."

     

    Such are the lives of faith people.

  15. 10 hours ago, bschoolprof said:

    I like the spread passing attack and its potential for our offense - we were best this year when we went hurry up and just let Sam and the WRs play without too much thinking - that's the basis of the Air Raid.  

    One thing that does worry me a bit is I'm not in love with the run scheme in most of these highlights.  Harrell is no Lincoln Riley in that regard.  The runs seem to be mainly some kind of outside zone or jet sweep action.  It's very perimeter based.  That's stands in stark contrast to Herman's love affair with inside zone come hell or high water.  It will be interesting to see (if we get Harrell) whether there's a blending of our current run concepts or we go full Harrell.  

    They wouldn’t even consider Harrell unless they were contemplating some sort of shift/fusion.

  16. 1 hour ago, elfenix said:

    it's a deeply corrupt organization and needs to be done away with, with no eligibility for rehire. 

    Not only that, it possesses precisely zero upside that could anywhere near offset said deep corruption, and only a token few of the most extreme barking lunatics would even try to argue that they have. 

  17. https://www.democracynow.org/2019/11/25/headlines/chilean_photojournalist_albertina_martinez_burgos_killed_in_santiago

    "In Chile, photojournalist Albertina Martínez Burgos was found stabbed and beaten to death Thursday at her home in the capital Santiago. The 38-year-old journalist was documenting repression against anti-government protesters at the time of her death, particularly violence against women. It’s reported that her recent photographs of the ongoing massive demonstrations against Chilean President Sebastián Piñera have also been stolen."

  18. 4 minutes ago, Iceman said:

    yeah, i was thinking the 2PM start will give it a ( ever so slight) college game feel.  Very cool.

    Oh there's far more buzz about that game than even the biggest MSU game that there's ever been. I wish I could go to this one.

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  19. 57 minutes ago, Iceman said:

         Have Old High and Rider ever played twice in the same season?

    No, and that town is going to be fucking lit for that. I coached at Old High in 2009, the year that both teams showed up at the game with 2-7 records. Judging by the town, the crowd size, and the crowd noise, you'd have thought both teams were 9-0. And this is a playoff game? I'd advise any WF resident who will not be going to the game to stay the fuck off of Southwest Parkway the entire day and not to dine at any of the Pioneer/Fatty McBride establishments any time after 12:00.

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