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Hurtlocker

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  1. Agree. I don't really see what the ACC gets out of it. It won't increase their payout dramatically just because Oregon and Washington are there. The only real benefit I can see is that the ACCN, which is only in like 20m homes, could be the combined home of the Pac/ACC, get it in more homes and spread out more games over more time zones. At that point though, its not really a conference merger, its a combined media partnership. However, now they have to spread that benefit over more mouths - square one. An actual mega merger like that though could provide different benefits, since there are no more actual ways to expand for the B10/SEC without limiting money. We have fun talks about relegation/promotion, but, while I doubt it would happen for all FBS, it could work within conferences. Say the Big 12 expands to 16 with Colorado, AZ, ASU, and who the fuck cares at that point. The SEC could join forces with the B12 on a 32 team super conference - pool all that inventory, and package it en mass with several providers. It could then split that conference into two divisions. You could pay 60% to the top half (playing on Fox/ABC/CBS) and 40% to the bottom half (playing on ESPN, FS1, SECN). Everyone is slightly happy because guaranteed money, but with promotion/relegation between the two (usually three swap every year) you satisfy @Al_4_ISUprimary gripe that people who just happened to be in the right place are more deserving than those who aren't. The biggest brands will likely remain locked in the top split, but may see a Vandy/Kentucky/South Carolina fall down and an Oklahoma State or UCF or whoever, move up.
  2. It wouldn't invalidate a grant of rights, actually the new schools would likely need to sign onto the one that currently exists for the ACC. Merging would open up a negotiation on what any new inventory would be worth to the conference, but it wouldn't necessarily open anything up on items already on the current contract.
  3. Yeah, i'm really not sure how this helps the ACC at all, except maybe getting the ACC Network in more homes. Most of their games are on that anyway, but with 24 teams they'll be a glut of inventory and no where to put it.
  4. Why would the ACC's smaller fish want to take less so Oregon makes more? They can barely feed FSU as it is.
  5. Like totally this.
  6. TLDL: a few mill and the same exposure will be business as usual $5m+ and all streaming and the rats will leave the ship Pac tried to get presidents to come out in support, AZ pres said, "we all good if the deal is equal to the Big 12s and is done by the 15th" to set a line in the sand to leave One of Colorado or Arizona will jump first the moment they're worried and it will start a cascade, likely including ASU at that point.
  7. And still can only manage 8 wins a season
  8. then they should STFU
  9. The problem usually isn't that Kentucky can't play 10, its that when they play 10 and no one else does, they're at a disadvantage. Step one: Remove all FCS games from the schedule to qualify for the CFP. Absolutely should not count as a win for that purpose. Those should be paid Spring Games. The fact that you're allowed to play someone who doesn't even qualify for your championship AND it doesn't hurt you, is bullshittery. Step two: Require 10 games from P5, if you're P5. Step three: require the final two games to be FBS opponents. Everyone makes more regular season money. CFP is a bit more balanced from strength of schedule. And everyone is relatively even in the slog they need to fight through. If they promise people more post season money and don't put requirements on it, they should be prison raped to start each day. You're welcome CFP.
  10. Yeah this may be, without a doubt, the single dumbest move by a conference, ever. Worse than the Big 12s blunders or the current ACC deal. The Pac literally had the only brand in college football that could rival USC in their hands, coming with enough friends to own Texas and California, and the only two things you had to give up is one team's T3 rights for like the next contract, and take OU? Idiocy.
  11. That guy has thrown so much shit against the wall that he was bound to be right eventually, including saying UCLA/USC to the B1G in like April of last year, Also, that may be the only one he got right.
  12. Clearly the Pac 12 is completely incompetent in how realignment banter works. Its slightly embarrassing.
  13. They didn't get a bonus, the Big 12 was in a shitty situation, very similar to the ACC now. They had updated their T2 deal, but their T1 deal, where most of the big games go and the big money flows in, was sooooo old and extremely outdated and, to make it worse, wasn't due to be updated for a while so they were under market. Much like how CBS was paying the SEC $85m for what ESPN is paying $300m today. What happened was basically what the same as what happened last August. They agreed to resign at an updated market rate, giving an extension on the contract to match as a return to when the T2 expired next year. These two contracts are what they reworked to sidestep the Pac12 last summer, updating them to market with an extension.
  14. That board meets a lot.
  15. He also did some sort of TV audience comparison that had to have been handed from the Pac office. It was like watching a toddler try and explain why the sky is blue. There's a difference?
  16. That's the one, you win!
  17. Maybe CBS would like a late night window too
  18. Deets: No inventory windows left, except Thursday/Friday/Late Night Saturday
  19. This. Here is a relative valuation of teams that remain on a per year. Napkin math crap: ND - $100m+ e.g. Pays for itself and a friend no matter where it goes Oregon - $45-49m FSU/Clemson - $40-$44m Miami/UNC/Washington - $35-$39m UVA/Colorado/Arizona/ASU - $30-34m Utah - $25-29 Stanford/Cal/WSU - $20-24 SDSU/SMU/Memphis/USF/Oregon State - $15-19m
  20. That's a lot of mouths to feed without the windows to feed them. I think the only way the Big 12 gets to 16 is if ESPN gives them a Friday Prime and Saturday Late slot for around 140-200m/year. That would be a payment of $32-36m/team/year. Any more teams and you need to open a Thursday slot or get Fox to chime in on more T1 windows. There just isn't enough left in the schedule to take 20 teams AND pay them right now. What I do know is SOMEONE is going to get the ESPN late night window. Its either the Big Ten or the Big 12. The best solution for the Pac is if both conferences carve them up. Without that, there is going to be a lot of happy MWC teams getting invites.
  21. That's not going to be a thing. There will still be 1 to 2 loss teams in the SEC getting into the playoffs. Remember, half of the 12 slots are already filled for each conference champion. That leaves six at large. You really think they're getting all the way down to 4 losses....for six spots? The only way an 8 win makes 12 is if they win their conference. Brand is a value in the regular season, that's all conferences sell. The post season is all on performance. Winning sells the post season.
  22. If true, and makes kind of the most sense, and they're likely equal value partners. That would open up a major knife fight for the next two spots to leave them at 16. No one is currently comfortable boxed in a corner with 10 members, there isn't a situation imaginable where the top half of the Pac aren't freaking with 8. 15/16 would immediately become the most valuable spots in the current sports world, as the Pac would be on life support, the SEC is set and the B1G is leaderless. With nothing being immediately open... First off, would the Big 12 grow past 16? There will be diminishing returns at some point. Is that number 16, or 18 or 20? I'm guessing they take 2...and wait for the door to knock while talking to Fox/ESPN. Would Oregon/Washington push to move next as the two biggest brands just to get off the sinking ship, especially since the Big 12 will lock them into a GoR, likely for longer for this contract. The B12 would have the leverage and they likely don't view it that they need to be a short-term temp home for anyone. Oregon/Washington likely increase the B12's deal. Instead of it being $32/per, those two probably jump it to $36-40 per. If they wanted friends, they could add more Pac, but it will start to push down the number. If they stay to wait on the B1G, assuming Stanford also holds out hoping to be ND's side kick to get the B1G to 20: Cal gets them a big market into Cali, but not much product at the moment. Rivalries sell. Utah shares a market with BYU, but is the Holy War enough to make up for that? If you're going to duplicate states, ASU is smack dab in the middle of the Phoenix DMA with a massive school. If AZ/Colorado go, its going to be chaos out west.
  23. hahah, right? Yeah, the Big Ten also probably had most of it done before Fox went, "hold up, let's snag LA" so the Big Ten turned to NBC and CBS and went, "you all ok if we wait a bit for USC?" BIG difference from the Pac's approach:
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