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2024 Presidential Election Thread - Let's keep the party going.
'stache replied to bolverk's topic in Cloak Room
If America votes in a lying anti-American traitor who is openly saying he'll go full dictator, because of a bad debate performance by his opponent, we don't deserve democracy anyway. -
He mumbled a little at 2:35, clearly unfit...
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We used to have 12 flagpoles outside the stadium for each school's flags. Now they're all OSU flags, lol. I wonder how much OU athletics had to borrow to replace the flagpoles and logos?
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2024 Presidential Election Thread - Let's keep the party going.
'stache replied to bolverk's topic in Cloak Room
I've been trying to find a way to articulate this and have not done as good a job as this, you're spot on, the problem is that Dems have to be perfect, including amongst their traditional voting bloc, while literally nothing matters to Republican voters, they will always just vote against the "libs." -
I'm not so sure about that, we've been the world's sole super power for less than 100 years. When the USA falls, the balance of power will revert back to Europe with the addition of Asia. Of course, right wing fascism appears to be gaining popularity elsewhere too, so the world may very well be fucked either way. It'll be like the rise of communism last century and last for several decades until people figure shit out and start executing their overlords Ceausescu style.
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Yup, 80 million people will vote for a lying anti-American con-man, while the other 80 million voters are hung up about age, and a bad debate performance, and whether the US president can stop the Israeli military's actions in Gaza. They won't coalesce like the other side against real, actual fascism, because the other guy just doesn't feel 100% perfect. There's no coming back from this, the country is going to crumble within most of our lifetimes.
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I know Catholics aren’t evangelical but they are acting more and more like them, so I found this relevant. Pretty sure you already know what you did assholes, what on earth do you think this would accomplish?
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You realize that the voters are very different, right? Trump says he’ll jail lawmakers he doesn’t like, republican voters say great, what strength. Biden says he’ll pack the court, dem voters will cry dictator. It’s the massive downside of the left that most (or at least half) of their traditional voters actually give a fuck. The other side are sheep who just nod along with literally anything their dear leaders say. How do you propose convincing those people to do the same? I personally hate the idea of court packing but you have to dig pretty deep into what has happened the last 8 years and I now support it for those reasons. Tons of people don’t pay that close of attention and will be turned off by that proposal, the same people who probably haven’t heard trumps proposals or don’t think they’re as serious as they truly are at this point.
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2024 Presidential Election Thread - Let's keep the party going.
'stache replied to bolverk's topic in Cloak Room
Now do trump. Oh wait, they’re all behind him, only dems undermine their own candidate at every turn. “Biden’s Post Debate Appearances Raise Suspicions of Drug Use” Byline: “Strong Competent Speeches Likely Explained By Cocaine” Welcome to America. -
Ollie Gordon has higher BAC than YPC in Big 12 championing
'stache replied to BurntOrange&White's topic in Football
Well of course. At least he didn’t strangle his pregnant girlfriend? -
None of the former teams are on that page, but are still in the record books.
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Yes they can absolutely refuse. Immunity from criminal prosecution doesn’t make an illegal order legal. The fact that the president can’t be prosecuted after the fact is absolute bullshit from a rogue court but it doesn’t make it a legal order. If the military acts on illegal orders to shoot and kill on US soil, or even to block polling places, were fucked anyway, full blown banana republic, the courts wouldn’t have a say anyway.
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Yours damn right they should refuse, like AG Barr refusing to execute on Trumps plan to overturn the election. Biden only took office because the republican SOS in Georgia and Arizona refused to do what he asked. It’s been said before, democracy requires people in power to act with a little bit of good faith, that’s the true threat. If the military agrees to execute upon illegal orders (say block polling stations in Philadelphia and Detroit and shoot people who try to vote) we’re fucked anyway. It’s literal banana republic shit. As has been said, every accusation is a confession with these assholes.
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That’s the right question, having nothing to do with criminal immunity. If the military had backed Trump in 2020 there would have been no transition of power.
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The first sentence is absolutely true, but the rest is not. The courts can still restrain a president from enacting decisions that are outside the executive function. The courts said Biden's student loan forgiveness program was outside of executive powers. That was not a criminal prosecution and immunity plays no role in that analysis whatsoever. How can anyone possibly believe that today's decision could benefit Biden in any way whatsoever? If trump wins and has Biden prosecuted for his border policy, SCOTUS will just say it wasn't an official act, because reasons. That's the problem, SCOTUS has abdicated it's role as a check on executive power and has become a rubberstamp for magastan.
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Sure, but immunity from criminal prosecution would have nothing to do with it, that's my only point.
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WTF are you talking about? Of course I see it, this SCOTUS is rogue as fuck. I honestly don't even know what you're talking about anymore. Surely, you agree that Biden can't just do whatever he wants and get away with it because of immunity from criminal prosecutions, right? This SCOTUS would strike it all down, because criminal immunity has nothing to do with judicial checks on executive powers and decision making. They'll reverse Biden at every turn, and rubber stamp Trump. Again, it has nothing to do with criminal immunity. If Biden is charged with a crime later, the decision won't protect him either, because this SCOTUS is nothing more than another political branch. They'll just say whatever he did wasn't "official", ergo, no immunity.
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And if he gets away with it, it'll have nothing to do with immunity from criminal prosecution, because he'd never be charged with any crimes. It'd be a complete breakdown of constitutional checks and balances, which is the real threat we're facing. An entire political party is not only enabling this, but promoting it. In this scenario, who would be criminally prosecuting Trump? Nobody, criminal immunity would therefore be irrelevant. Also, I was addressing the people saying that Biden should do this, or Biden should do that. Surely you agree that this SCOTUS under its ruling today would never use it to benefit Biden in any way, right? That's the whole fucking point of this SCOTUS being fucking rogue as fuck.
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You're talking about something that has nothing to do with today's SCOTUS immunity decision. When you say "the case gets all the way to the new SCOTUS" you would have to be talking about a criminal prosecution, and what you're talking about would not result in a criminal prosecution in the first place, so immunity has nothing to do with it. In fact, the dictatorship you're referring to would pretty much take the judiciary out of everything, especially any concept of criminal prosecutions against the dictator, that's how dictatorships work. See Netanyahu's recent actions limiting the authority of the judiciary in the first place.
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I'm not saying it's not as bad as it seems, I'm saying that Biden can't just start making governmental decisions under the guise of immunity. SCOTUS would still undo anything that is outside the executive power, and yeah, if he's charged with a crime, they'd probably call it not an official act, because Biden, so the decision protects only Donald Trump, period.
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Do you seriously not understand the context of immunity from criminal prosecution vs. executive decision making in general? If your skepticism is that the court is bias and illegitimate, it just underscores that anything Biden does that is arguably outside of the executive function will definitely be reversed by SCOTUS (like student loan forgiveness) even if he's immune from criminal prosecution (which of course this SCOTUS would find that it doesn't apply to Biden, because reasons).
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I obviously don't like this clearly political decision from SCOTUS, but I think people have it really wrong saying he can do this or do that without repercussion. The immunity is from criminal prosecution. The courts can still reverse any actions the president takes that is not authorized. If he has justices or lawmakers arrested and imprisoned, those people can still petition the courts that the act was outside of executive authority, and they'd be right. The courts can then reverse the decision (like they did Biden's loan forgiveness program which SCOTUS held was not within executive powers). The immunity would only prevent criminal prosecution against the president for kidnapping or whatever the criminal equivalent is of false imprisonment.
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He's still alive? God damnit. I made this rule a while back, auto neg for citing Swaim. Sorry, gotta be consistent.
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2024 Presidential Election Thread - Let's keep the party going.
'stache replied to bolverk's topic in Cloak Room
And after the starter throws an interception early in the game. Massive overreactions still ongoing I see. -
JFC, you're the reason the Chief Justice and the traitor Alito are on the court you dumb mother fucker.
