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  1. 4 minutes ago, Bama Chick said:

    Listen, my post was not to encourage football smack talk.

    I don’t engage in that much at all because I’m a guest here.

    Even though I have more than enough ammo.......


    I’ll just promote my team this way -

     

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  2. 11 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

    Sorry you don't pay attention to details.

    Yes, McCain was one of the means of introduction to the FBI, but he passed it off much later and was not "the one who handed it to the FBI".  The material existed inside the FBI long before December, and was introduced by Steele directly. Later by a reporter.  Later by state department contacts.  And yet later still through british diplomatic channels via John McCain.

    You can dismiss that as conspiracy talk, but it is all part of the congressional testimony and various public reports related to the matter. And it fits a basic pattern of operation. 

    Cool. So it was all handed off to the FBI and was done so on the premise that they blindly accept it as truth and they prosecuted a bunch of people off of it and Trump wrongly lost the election. I totally get your point and why you feel you need to address this over and over and over. It's truly a tragedy of our system, maybe Trump will do something about it. 

  3. 1 hour ago, Anastasis said:

    McCain was not "the one who handed the dossier to the FBI".  Once again, you fail at the details.

    Steele delivered the first iterations of his material directly to his FBI handler in London in early July. Through Ohr (a connection forged largely around Steele's connection to Russian Oligarchs, e.g. Deripaska), Steele pressed his FBI contacts to ensure that the material had is intended purchase. Steele also briefed Winer (State), who delivered a transcribed copy based on his read in to contacts at State. Steele than seeded the material with David Corn (reporter), who wrote an article in the days before the election, and who then delivered a separate version to James Baker in November(FBI lawyer). After the election, Steele coordinated though British diplomatic contacts to outreach McCain, who ultimately delivered a separate version to the FBI in December

    If you look at the pattern, the Perkins Coie/Fusion operation used these triangulated methods of seeding their conspiracy material. They did the same thing with the server conspiracy, using multiple media, State, and FBI contacts to push their conspiracy narrative. Multiple angles played, some of which serve to provide circular corroboration to bolster the credibility of the reporting.  Steele clearly used this strategy to boost the appearance of his own credibility.  This wasn't people channeling things to the proper forums for investigation, it was a well coordinated and multifaceted attempt to channel very specific fantasies cut from whole cloth in attempt to influence the election.

    Roger Stone is a reckless buffoon and represents the absolute worst of American politics, but he is not sophisticated enough to pull off this kind of operation. If he did, your heads would be exploding over it. 

    Sounds like a bunch of conspiracy talk to me. 

    Oh, and potato/potato. 

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/25/politics/lindsey-graham-john-mccain-dossier-fbi/index.html

    And again, let's all focus on Clinton and the bang up job they did stealing the election with Steele and Russia helping them (if that's even the case) when we know what Trump and team has and are doing (or maybe Mueller and fbi and other investigative bodies are all in on it??!! ). But "deep state" and "both sides" and all that. 

  4. 12 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

    I am not asking you to narrow down the details, I am just pointing out that when you try to use details you are doing so inaccurately.

     

    It's amazing how hard it is for a few of you guys to just admit that you would lose your minds if Roger Stone contracted a foreign intelligence operative to procure, collect, and package up disinformation intended to influence the media and the FBI in effort to stoke fantastical conspiracy narratives in the run up to the election.  It's amazing how hard it is for a few of you to separately acknowledge that operatives working on behalf of the DNC/HRC campaign to influence the election were pumping crazy ass conspiracy theories like the server thing right into the FBI and the State department, while HRC was pushing it out to the masses via her twitter account. 

     

    Lol your "pumping crazy ass conspiracy theories to the FBI" is my "sending potential important information into a system designed to investigate information". Why is the Clinton campaign being viewed in a negative light for doing so? Isn't that the proper channel to funnel shit like that?? And hell, McCain was the one who handed the dossier to the FBI. 

    It's not like they all came out and said, "Russia, if you can do some hacking for us to help us out, that would be great".

  5. 6 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

     

    JFC.  It is hard to have a detailed discussion around these things when you can't be bothered to get the simple basics correct.  Fusion is not Steele's group.  Glenn Simpson runs Fusion. Steele's firm is called Orbis.  Steele was not involved with anything Fusion did prior to the DNC taking over the funding. 

    Well JFC, Fusion GPS hired Steele, so I'm now lumping Steele with GPS as part of a group for sake of discussion. Apologies for not narrowing down details for you. You can now see how frustrating it is to try and get your point when you talk in hypotheticals and amorphic statements. 

     

    *But let's point to that tiny discrepancy while deflecting from your assertion (joke, hypothetical, ?) about what if Clinton did something nefarious via Steele. 

  6. 5 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

    Amazing how much brain damage is generated simply by asking how much your head would explode if Roger Stone did the things that operatives working on behalf of the DNC and HRC campaign did. 

    Say what you mean rather than throwing a bunch of hypotheticals out there and having people trying to guess what you are getting at. 

  7. 1 minute ago, Anastasis said:

    Just to be clear, I didn't call you a liar or say that you lied.  I simply pointed out that you were repeating something that was not factually accurate, but is oft repeated disinformation. It gets corrected just about every time somebody runs it back up the flag pole here.  Just like the assertion that the DNC funded dossier was fully vetted before being used to push a surveillance warrant across the probable cause threshold. 

      

      

    Again, I stated that Steele's group (Fusion GPS) was hired by a conservative group to dig up dirt on Trump. It was then passed to the Clinton group to continue dirt digging, which then included Steele. Where is the misinformation? Inform me, cause everything I'm reading on it shows that that is what happened. You are the one injecting that Clinton apparently ordered Steele to use Russian disinformation and somehow convinced the FBI to blindly run with it. THAT sounds like disinformation being repeated in this thread. Show citation on how/where/when that happened. 

    Everything I know of the FBI, pre Trump, is that they loathed the Clinton's and would never want to work with them. How do I know that? Cause my uncle used to be the Deputy Director of the FBI and actually voted for Trump because he hated the Clinton's so much.  Now? He wont say much to the family but he says if the country knew half of what was going on behind the scenes with Russia and certain elements of Trumps campaign, that we would be shitting ourselves. There was/is legit fear that Russia truly fucked us. Anecdotal perspective? Sure. But trust his input way more than yours.  

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  8. 23 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

    Any earth shattering revelations in this thread during this new bump?  I'm very excited.

    Well, actually, yeah. The Clinton campaign, working with the deep state, colluded with Russia (Putin loves the Clintons and the FBI) to win an election. We should look into it and be shocked and appalled at its apparent success. And if you do not believe that, YOU are the conspiracy theorist. 

  9. 12 hours ago, Anastasis said:

    I didn't bump this thread.  In response to your throw away quip, I just asked you to consider how you would react if Roger Stone had done one quarter the shit we know was done by operatives working on behalf of the DNC/HRC. Your response is to spread disinformation that you have been corrected on numerous times on this thread. I guess on this thread being wrong repeatedly and unapologetically is a badge of honor. 

    What disinformation? That the Hillary campaign were the ones really working with the Russians and that we should be looking at them instead of Trump? 

  10. 27 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

    I have explained my thoughts on the topic about a thousands times on this thread.  The vast majority of the things that I have suggested have proven true, while server nonsense and wishful thinking about prague and Mueller knows all white hatting have fallen to the wayside. You continue to promote the same disinformation over and over again hoping that nobody actually pays enough attention to catch it, but ask me to explain where I am coming from? Convince me you are not wasting my time. 

    Oh for sure I am. Every time this thread is bumped, its you trying to make some side point of you "being right" about something. What that something is, is beyond me because you typically like to throw amorphic ideas of malfeasance based off some unsubstantiated assumptions just so you cannot be pinned down on really anything until you come back and say, "See! Look at me! I was right, and you were all idiots!" 

    So yes, I want to waste your time trying to explain the picture in your head on how this went down. 

  11. Just now, Anastasis said:

    I am surprised that you were able to type this out without acknowledging that Hillary Clinton was literally tweeting delusional conspiracy theories propagated by DNC operatives who were also fronting Russian disinformation.  They ran this shit through State and the FBI, and Hillary fucking tweeted about it. But please tell us all about brain worms. 

     

     

    Please explain your hypothesis on the situation so we can truly understand where you are coming from. 

  12. 10 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

    The Russia Russia Russia deep dive only started after the DNC took over. We have had this exchange like 3 or 4 times.  Why do you struggle so hard with just acknowledging that you would lose your fucking mind if Roger Stone did one quarter the shit that is traced right back to the DNC and HRC campaign through Perkins Coie?

    Cause you are making some major sweeping assumptions on what the Clinton campaign knowingly did during the election and their legal culpability. The campaign hired a company, who hired a guy, who provided misinformation that was then investigated by the FBI and ultimately found out that some/most was wrong. It had no impact on the election, obviously. 

    Russia has been using everyone/everything they can to attack the US. They played "both sides". If you do not like how this is played, stop being a bitch about the Clinton campaign and Perkins Cole, and start making bigger arguments against dark money in politics and legal ways to rig the elections. That is not what you are doing though. You are sitting on the fence laughing at people who use Russia as an example of the weakness of our election system. The system that was exploited by Russia to manipulate outcomes. Which was investigated by the FBI (before Fusion GPS got involved) and after, via the Mueller investigation. Why do you discount Russia's involvement?  You just redirect to Clinton or FBI or FISA or something else and state that THAT is the true crime here. That THAT is where we should focus our ire.

    Yes, there was some interesting conspiracy theories really early in process of finding out what happened during the election. No one here is regurgitating them anymore other than you as some prideful stand against whatever assumption you hold on the situation. In fact, it is seeming more and more that you are spouting your own conspiracy theories to muddy the waters. 

  13. 5 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

    You have said this multiple times on this thread, but it doesn't get any more true despite the repetition.  Steele was not brought on until the DNC took over funding and they decided to go full hog with the Russia Russia Russia disinformation angle. Try to pay attention. 

    I think that Stone should prosecuted if he lied to Congress.  I also think that Glenn Simpson should be prosecuted if he lied to congress. And we should go up the chain from there, on #bothsides.  

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusion_GPS#:~:text=In September 2015%2C Fusion GPS,stopped funding investigation into Trump.

    Steele was hired by Fusion GPS after the hand off, correct. Which was originally paid for by a conservative group to dig up dirt on Trump. Is your assumption that the Clinton campaign requested Steele, and for Steele to create a conspiracy theory, fed by Russia, to boost her chances? 

  14. 2 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

    I am not talking about Carter Page.  

    I am just asking you to consider how you would react to a revelation that Roger Stone did the thing that the DNC/HRC campaign did. 

    Head half explode or fully explode?

    We both know the answer. 

     

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    If Steele is found to knowingly provide misinformation to influence an election, try and fry him. Put him through the legal system like Stone and Page were. I don't care. If you are breaking the law, you are breaking the law; regardless of what team you are on. The RNC hired Steele's group to dig up dirt, which then got transferred to the DNC and ultimately Clinton. Are you now saying this was some grand scheme by Clinton and that she and her campaign should be in jail? That political dirt used by a campaign during an election is the same as evidence to try someone in a legal system? 

  15. 10 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

    Imagine how many heads would explode if Roger Stone, working on behalf of the RNC, hired a foreign intelligence agent to procure, collect, and package up Russian disinformation for dissemination to the media, State, and the FBI in effort to stoke a fantastical conspiracy narrative. That would be something wouldn't it.  

     

     

    And if the government decided to run with that info without investigating the validity of said info, then yes, that would be problematic. You are making some assumptions that the dossier wasn't fully vetted by the proper authorities to find whether they warrant using against anyone, and then viewed against other vetted evidence to make a case. Are you saying the FBI blindly viewed the dossier as truth and ran with it? Or are you conflating the social media conspiracies with government actions in an effort to bring about some point? 

    Regardless, what Roger Stone did is not that far off from your hypothetical so, again, grasping to find your point. 

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    4 minutes ago, Pescado_Rojo said:

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    Lucked out as, at the time, they were BOGO. That Incredible Kush is incredible to hit before bed, knockout medicine. 

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    Looks like me coming back from CO. 

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  16. Because GR needs some help, they want you to address the shake shack story. You and maninblack coming in with a side eye and smirk with one instance that counters the broader point, is a bit disingenuous. 

  17. 34 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

    I have no idea.  I'm just saying if there IS a fight, I'm in it.

    I do think massive civil unrest would at least give military leaders pause.  They are sworn to uphold the Constitution, not a banana republic.  It could easily turn out that Americans just fold and accept their fate, but I have a greater than 0% belief that would not happen.  There are so many things that have to play out between now and then, though, it's completely hypothetical at this point.  I'm just not willing to say I'll accept an election result in the chance it is blindingly obvious the outcome was manipulated.  If we're not hypothetically willing to stand up at that point, then what good is the Republic in the first place?

    #teamrebel here. I bought an AR the day after Trump won the election because I thought that those idiots who voted Trump owned the majority of assault rifles and they'd be happy to use it with the Presidents backing. I hate that I feel I have to buy one but who knows where this goes. But I'll be damned if some fascists are going to take over. 

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