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SmokeyTheBear

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  1. 16 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

    EMAW sees himself as a wildebeest who makes it to the fertile pastures.  The old, the weak, and the sick who don't make it?  Well, that's just the circle of life. 

    Now, the moment he realizes he has become old, weak, or sick, he'll bleat about needing government support.  That's the reality of life.

    Where do unborn babies fit within his analogy? 

  2. 7 hours ago, FondrenRoad said:

    Y'all motherfuckers need to get off the ledge. Lincoln and Grant weren't hanging out drinking scotch while the world burned.  They fucked up some ethnonationalists and know nothings while drinking scotch.  We can bring the scotch. 

    So..... Fuck up the Trumpers? 

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  3. 47 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

    Not sure what your point is, but you know there are 'tards like EMAW scanning this thread.  The veracity of sources needs to be pointed out.

    You are right. My reaction was more a carry over of that article you quoted, juxtaposed against your comment from Anastasis from last night. 

     

  4. 12 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

    I think Anastasis' point is that there are many things we could have done faster and better, many or most of which are Trump's fault.

    However, there's not much evidence that those things would materially change where we are now.  No matter how good our testing response, we probably weren't going to have the millions of tests we'd need to get an epidemiological handle on this.  We could have started separating earlier, but would that have slowed it materially?

    The materiel problem is the one that bothers me the most, as I think it really will save lives when the shit hits the fan and every day counts.

    I think we would have worked with other nations to make sure we have working tests, shared knowledge and other resources. I think we would have had a singular response to gathering the necessary resources, rather than the thunderdome mentality the states are faced with. I think we would have had a singular and cohesive message to the populace earlier, rather than the hoax conspiracy bull shit. 

    All of which would have had materialized into a different, improved scenario than we currently are faced with. 

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  5. Just now, longhornmatt said:

    He doesn’t know shit about Baron.  LMAO.  I mean, actually it’s really sad that he can’t even show a little empathy about his own son.  “He’s just like everyone else.”

    "He's in his room"

    Poor kid 

  6. Reporter : what's up with the navy captain? 

    Trump : I know nothing about it.................. He had a letter, it was nasty, they dropped some sailors off in Vietnam...... He wrote a letter. This isn't literature class. It was nasty. I didn't have anything to do with it but I'm glad it happened. 

  7. 8 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

    I don't think that there is any reason to believe that he would have implemented the restriction earlier.  And I most certainly don't think that he would have denied entry to US citizens. 

    Were there any politicians actively calling for restrictions on travel from Chine or Europe prior to the end of January?  Any actively calling for entry restrictions on US citizens, even to today? 

     

    Look at the timeline again. He shut down flights after the virus was in the US. All we can go off is how Trump can handle this issue once it hits our population and it's been a massive failure. 

     

    When he was asked by CNBC in an interview that aired January 22 if there were worries about a pandemic, he responded, "No. Not at all. And -- we're -- we have it totally under control. It's one person coming in from China, and we have it under control. It's going to be just fine."

    On March 9, Trump tweeted, "So last year 37,000 Americans died from the common Flu. It averages between 27,000 and 70,000 per year. Nothing is shut down, life & the economy go on. At this moment there are 546 confirmed cases of CoronaVirus, with 22 deaths. Think about that!" On March 10, the day before the WHO's pandemic declaration, Trump said, "And we're prepared, and we're doing a great job with it. And it will go away. Just stay calm. It will go away."

    He added: "It's really working out. And a lot of good things are going to happen."

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/17/politics/fact-check-trump-always-knew-pandemic-coronavirus/index.html

     

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  8. 1 hour ago, Anastasis said:

    To extend the chemo metaphor, we really need targeted treatment.  Like a next gen sequencing technique that selectively targets certain biomarkers for rank stupidity.  

    Or, or, properly fund public education. 

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  9. 3 minutes ago, Red Five said:

    Yes, by all means make an exception for millions of Texans all gathered close together singing into each others faces once a week. 

    Might move Texas from a purple state to a blue? 

     

    Trying to find the silver linings in things

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  10. 3 minutes ago, workswithseed said:

    Both can be true. This is the fuck China thread, and it been pretty much that. People have discussed that Trump did a Terrible job. Some say only from the beginning some say still, but non the less his actions have been pretty condemned. We all know that China has been fucking shitty a lot longer than this virus, and until thier shitty government leaves for good, this'll continue to be the Fuck China thread.

    Fair in some aspects. But there is a concerted effort to deflect responsibility of our response to others. 

  11. When did the US have to rely on any other country to protect ourselves? Why is our response to this crisis predicated on China helping us in some way? The Surly cabal knew more about this virus than Trump did which shows willful ignorance in our leadership. China has a part to play, but they arent the one deciding to call this a hoax, or delaying calling for private sector to manufacture critical tools to combat this. 

     

    Quit with the obfuscation

  12. 4 hours ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

    Goddamnit, you motherfuckers quoting EMA makes having her on ignore useless. 

    Though i get it, there are people in this world who believe the shit he believes. They vote for Trump and would probably vote for worse (is such a thing even possible?). I work under the philosophy that they need to be challenged at every turn so to limit the spread of their ideas to others who would not challenge it. Ignoring it only insulates you from the disinformation but others who are reading his BS and not as involved as we are, may take it as truth if not challenged. Trump is a result of not fully challenging his ideas/philosophy (lulz) and letting him be a carnival show barker for entertainment. 

  13. 18 minutes ago, EMAWesome said:

    How many questions were asked about Coronavirus at the Democrat debates in January and February? The fact is everyone in this country underestimated this and the vast majority of people in the entire world underestimated this.  Politicians, media, federal government, state government, local government, economists,  intelligence agencies, doctors, everyone.  If you were one of those few people crying out about this two or three months ago you were treated by the rest of the country, Democrats, Republicans, Independents, whoever, as if you had a black velvet painting of Alex Jones in your bedroom.  It is ridiculous to say Trump should have seen this coming sooner when 99% of America wasn't seeing it coming sooner either.  Of course maybe the politicians, the media, and the rest of the country might have paid a little more attention to it if a complete political sham of an impeachment trial hadn't been taking up everyone's time and attention back then.

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  14. 5 minutes ago, workswithseed said:

    Does anyone on here trust the government right now? 

    No, but because GOP, Manafort, Stone, Rove, Cheney, Fox, Big Business, etc have twisted government into a JUST functioning  government body that bleeds into the right pockets just enough. But it's made us weak to the point that the orange cancer has gotten into the mix, caused by Russian plutonium. 

    Anybody is better than what we have and we should fully support whoever challenges his wanna-be dictatorship. 

  15. 1 hour ago, EMAWesome said:

    This is for the next time some fuckstick in the media (in this case Joe Scarborough) tries to tell you that everyone but Trump knew this was going to be serious months ago.

     

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    Difference here being that Trump has at his fingertips tons of resources that inform him daily on what is happening in the world and the threats that America may be under. With that knowledge, he decided to go on TV and blame the Dems for creating a hoax. 

    But you want to blame reporters. Not the person in power with the real information. Why? No, seriously.... Why? 

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