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It is noted that Anastasis refuses to acknowledge that the Trump campaign publicly welcomed and privately sought Russian election interference to benefit Trump, and that Trump personally was in communication with Roger Stone around anticipated drops of goods stolen by Russian actors that were coordinated to optimize electoral prospects of Trump. still waiting on washpark.

truly amazing. you're still not acknowledging it.

still not acknowledging how wrong you were then, and even today, still. amazing.

you're still not acknowledging.

I think what GW is getting at is that neither you nor washpark (in his timely appearance on this thread) have acknowledged that the Trump campaign publicly welcomed and privately sought Russian election interference to benefit Trump, and that Trump personally was in communication with Roger Stone around anticipated drops of goods stolen by Russian actors that were coordinated to optimize electoral prospects of Trump. Everything else he posted beyond Mueller's work further substantiates the larger context that Trump is compromised by Putin.

neoliberalism and neoconservatism. Now that's quaint. The frontline of the fight today is against the international spread of Putinism - primarily defined by autocrats employing a lack of transparency in governance, cronyism, pervasive corruption, mafia style violence using both traditional (baseball bats, guns, window ledges, bone saws) and state sponsored approaches (Novochok, surface to air missiles, arming the worst actors), and lack of political freedoms. Takes asymmetrical warfare to a whole new level.

^^^ completely agree. If the House withholds forwarding approved articles of impeachment to the Senate for trial unless McConnell agrees to allow relevant witnesses and documents for the public to see, it stands to not only reflect very poorly on Mitch and Senate R's, but allow more time for other investigations to progress. House needs to hold its ground and not permit a sham by Senate. If you force a legitimate trial with public airing of testimony and evidence, it's a Lose/Lose for Mitch.

oh, Mitch. You really don't want to be sullied by your own shittiness, do you.

You’re talking about losers who compensate for it using their only available option - the con within a con that crime pays. Dotard out front should have told you.

Correct - that was already being thought out months ago. Given how rare and unique each impeachment has been, it's apparent we're witnessing things unfold in a new and unpredictable way. Arriving at two tight articles of impeachment ready to go to full house vote this week and observing R's response and conduct has been a process which will inform near term decisions. I do think the Senate will bluff every way imaginable to avoid votes for acquittal, especially to protect those vulnerable R seats. Either way, it's clear the House is churning ahead with impeachment inquiries: They've got multiple options here, and I'm not sure any one option is wrong or bad. Both House and Senate will be navigating a lot of this on the fly as circumstances dictate, but actually completing an impeachment of Trump next week with two tight articles, with or without immediate presentation to the Senate, is a major step in the right direction.

so what you're saying is, Captainant is a more discriminating judge than one sitting on the FISC.

And Trump actively and willfully coordinated with Roger Stone around the rollout of goods delivered by Russian military intelligence. Gates testified in the Stone trial that he witnessed this by Trump in real time.

Yep.

Odds definitely favored the SCOTUS decision for cert in the cases. It's_not good_that it may be until June to know, but odds are not in Trump's favor to have the lower courts' decisions overturned. Given that GOP Senate is derelict and complicit, simply having that info come out this summer as opposed to now could be worse for the re-election campaign based on electoral proximity alone. It's still important that Trump impeached now. When Trump fails to respond to it with deterrence, House can redouble and Senate increasingly stands to look worse for not taking his abuse of power seriously the first time. There's going to be an unending river of shit coming out regardless.

------> March is way better than June.

nails the close hard

Swalwell bringing home the Trump Putin dyad

My brother just reminded me of a couple trumpet heavy tracks my dad used to jam on his reel to reel when we were kids. not exactly jazz, but a trumpet pr0n qualifier (especially the notes he blows at the end): and yeah, a smoove groove

holy crap, this is remarkable. As it relates to FISA warrants and 702 wiretaps/incidental recordings in the course of surveillance of foreigners abroad, check out this amazing C-SPAN 7 min exchange from Lindsey Graham in a Senate hearing. Pay particular attention to what he's focused on starting at about the 3:30 mark: This happened in July 2017. Lindsey's abrupt flip to become a servile Trump bootlick happened a few months later in Oct. 2017. It sure sounds like Lindsey is using himself personally as an example because he knows he is vulnerable based on certain conversations he's had, and which he does not want to be accessed and used against him for political damage/blackmail. Based on what happened weeks later in Oct, it appears the political blackmail he's concerned about is came true, and ironically it likely came from within - Trump/WH. It would be a next level set-up, but it's conceivable Graham spoke with Kislyak or some other Russian official acting as an agent in the 2016 election scheme and was set up by said Russian who may have broached verboten topics on the phone. Conceivably, even if Graham was not a party to active participation, even a conversation where he is made aware of criminal conspiracy and failed to report or act could end his career. Additionally, it would be expected that the Russians would have this on tape. Perhaps it would give Lindsey comfort to know Russians had it and not our IC where he could be unmasked. Either way, in hindsight today, Graham's demeanor and line of questioning in the C-SPAN clip is extraordinary. The govt officials trying to answer his questions have to be feeling in their gut that Lindsey is in reality revealing concern about himself personally. Lindsey wants personal assurance, and it's cringeworthy.

Trump campaign, via Stone, coordinated with a Russian military intelligence cutout to optimize stolen material to influence our election. And Trump did so, with gusto. Of course they have all lied, perjured, witness tampered and obstructed justice to cover it up. And one by one they're going to prison.

I’m a vacuum, not a partisan issue. The long-standing pattern we’re all too familiar with, however, has been for that person to use it as a deflection shield to avoid acknowledging the reality of far more emergent threats, i.e. that the current WH occupant takes orders from a guy who murders and jails journalists and political opponents in his country and who is the political face and hand of a brutal transnational criminal organization.

but of course. hope the WH doc has the tranq darts handy

It's good to have two articles nailed down with layers of evidence and cooperative govt witnesses. With so much still on the table for additional articles of impeachment, there has to be more to the calculus. It's hard to imagine impeachment won't expand as more evidence and witnesses become available. With that in mind, I wonder if Trump now being formally impeached with defined articles, notably Obstruction of Congress, will carry any weight with the SCOTUS this Friday when they consider whether or not to deny hearing appeals on up to three Trump cases directly tied to ongoing Congressional impeachment investigations.

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