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  1. In the 80's, I was a an engineer in a plant built in the 50's, with a project to install a new electronic distributed control system on the boilers, steam and cooling water systems, to replace the original vintage local-pneumatic system. We had drawings on almost everything, most of them brand new, neatly folded in triplicate, in the original manila folders. Even then, it was a challenge; I had the old drawings from 30 years prior, but nothing that showed any additions or modifications since then. All the prior engineers had all been Chem-E's, from Louisiana, and I'm not sure they understood mechanical drawings. We were circulating steam and water to ~ 40% of the original plant, that had been idle for ~ 15 years. The plant management and operators, all good ole boys from the bayou's and backwoods of Louisiana, had no idea what I was talking about. I do laugh when I'm posting here, knowing the way I was trained from day 1, with safety preached all day every day, and trying to apply that thought process to a populace without indoor plumbing, working in a Soviet era refinery.
  2. You all have seen many pics of O&G facilities, and their maze of pipes in the pipe racks. With any fire, you shut the valves on either end, and make a decision to put the fire out, or let it burn itself out. Fire water systems are designed for smaller, localized fires; not a catastrophic explosion. There are fail safe procedures in place, starting with fire detectors and an Emergency Shut Down (ESD) system, a big red button that sends pre-programmed instructions to open and close whatever needs to be opened and closed in an emergency. They are located in the control room, around critical pieces of equipment, and around the perimeter of the process areas of the plant. Some times, it becomes a bit more complicated. Like a drone, or a big bomb exploding in the middle of a pipe rack, like the one in the picture below. Usually the ESD will isolate everything within the plant. Okay, the valves at the plant fence are closed, now what? It depends, on a lot of things. A lot of the larger pipes and block valves have motor controlled actuators that are controlled remotely, or at the valve. Once all the automatic control valves are closed, or opened, now the rest have to be done manually. Most equipment is always in service, so they only have manual isolation valves that are needed for routine maintenance. Why are the big oil companies so cheap? Why don't they automate everything? Sometimes that stuff breaks, or fails, or goes off by itself, and automatically goes to fail safe, either opened or closed. Each decision to automate is made case by case. After that, the remaining valves are closed manually. The first priority is protect personnel. Muster is preselected places, and count heads. Then, make decisions on what do do. Is the fire under control? There are drawings on every pipe in the plant. Lots of them. It is hard enough tracing a specific pipe, looking at the drawings, then the pipe, as you walk through the pipe rack. Obviously, you can't do that during a fire, and when everything is a pile of twisted steel, good luck with that. Even when everything is done right and operating okay, O&G plants are dangerous, and intimidating places. The sounds of high pressure steam and high speed turbines is not a natural sound, and they have a blend of strange smells. By design, you are putting extremely hazardous and volatile fluids at high pressure in a large steel vessel, and adding heat to it. I don't think those would be the preferred places to be in a war.
  3. "The Russian official also urged Russians to “not trust rumors” and to believe only official statements about the “repulsed attack” and “falling debris.” The city’s residents are also being advised not to believe their own eyes, as they watch the fire in Stavrolena grow more and more intense." The Stavrolen Chemical Plant was also attacked last month. It uses the Natural Gas Liquids (NGL) removed in a gas processing plant as feedstock in this plant. The Natural Gas liquids are fractionated (fractional + distillation) into 5 commercial products (ethane, propane, iso and normal butanes, and "natural gasoline." This could happen at either the gas plant or here at the chemical plant. This is a physical separation of dissimilar products, though complex, is still relatively simple. The Stavrolen Chemical Plant further processes the feedstock, using extreme heat to "crack" the molecules, and produce, ethylene and propylene, and polyethylene and polypropylene (plastics), as well as other derivatives, PVC, synthetic resins, polymers, etc. These processes include heat and catalysts to break the molecular bonds and re-combine the molecules. This is a complex linear process, where the outflow from one vessel goes to the next vessel; it either all works or none of it works. One of the 1st things I learned as a new engineer is you never want to run out of feedstock, which means this is not the kind of process you turn on and off. "If the process stops ..., well, it is hard chipping the hard plastic out of the towers." You would want any shutdown to be in a controlled manner. This is a photo of a Louisiana ethylene plant getting shut down in an uncontrolled manner. Notice the well trained employees, and contractors, getting the "fuck out of dodge". They call the NGL tanks "bullets" for a reason; when they rupture, they take off like a 10-15 ft diameter rockets. Gas processing, and the Chemical side of hydrocarbon processing, is a very mature industry in the US and Canada. They are in a handful of countries that have both the native feedstocks and the downstream processing infrastructure. The USSR could never do this. Most of their gas exports went to the soviet satellite countries, which gave them control of the people, but not the hard currency. The breakup of the Soviet Union, and Russia cozying up the the west, led to the Nordstream gas pipelines, an entry into Western Europe. Russia finally had a means to monetize their natural gas resources. Nordstream gave them a lot of hard cash, and Russia and the Oligarch's, wisely invested that cash in gas related infrastructure; production, gas processing, pipelines, chemical plants and LNG plants. They invested in the downstream integration that interfaces with the marketplace. Since then, they now have 4 or 5 world class gas processing plants, a handful of ethylene plants, and are were migrating towards world class LNG in a big way, until they invaded Ukraine. Unlike oil, the gas side of the equation is somewhat unique, a symbiotic relationship between producers and consumers, where both sides need each other, and cannot survive without the other. The gas infrastructure is prohibitively expensive, with the only players being nationalized companies, the largest public and private companies, and a relatively small group of engineering and construction companies. It requires long term contracts, and long term relationships. Russia's gas, and the Sakhalin LNG Plant on Sakhalin Island in the Pacific, brought together Exxon & Shell, and China, Japan, and S. Korea. Russia was finally monetizing their natural gas resources, and Putin FUBAR'd it up like nothing before.
  4. The way Arch played the last 6 quarters is all i need to see. Going through his progressions and completing to his 3rd and 4th read, moving out of the pocket and keeping his eyes downfield, and making a couple of NFL throws so close to the sidelines, that you need super slow motion to confirm the calls. This will be the first game that Arch has had a healthy, and comfortable, starting trio of Moore, Mosely & Wingo. He should have a full compliment of receivers this game. Not having Taaffe the past 2 games was huge. If he is back, and controlling the defense, we'll be okay. Time for Texas to play their best game of the season.
  5. The Taganov Substation is in an industrial area, with a lot of larger buildings. The blurred area includes an airstrip, so maybe the industrial plants make aviation hardware that used to be installed here before the war. My google earth shot from 2002 shows Russian AWACS & Bear bombers on the apron in the bottom of the photo. I don't imagine they keep anything that close to Ukraine anymore. The substation has a small footprint, but if it serves a specific area, good. I imagine Ukraine has pretty good intel on this area. It is interesting the rail siding next to the substation can accommodate a large number of rail tank cars, so specialty chemicals may be involved in the manufacturing nearby, The Saratov Refinery, with the red line showing the line of sight in the OP, from bottom towards the top.The little red fires labelled "11/25" are the 2 big towers hit earlier this month. The Blue and Orange oblong objects are tall flare/exhaust stacks, and I think the Blue one is the tall flare you see in the video. I think the green polygons are choice targets (main process vessels) within the refinery, and it appears they are close/within the fires from the videos. I thought the attack 2 weeks ago took out the main process vessels. It is interesting that Ukraine would hit it again with 2 weeks. Again, indicative of good intel on what was hit before, and what needed to be hot again.
  6. I saw a post here, or a post linked to a post here, that had an interview w/ Konstantin Samoilov from Inside Russia. I couldn't find it again, so I reposted it. I know others have posted Konstantin's opinions here, so I listened to this. This is a very informative podcast. It's long, 68 minutes, something good to have playing in the background while you're doing other things. But listen to, it's well worth the time, or just read the rest of this post, 2-3 minutes tops. (Re: the 2nd Interview in the post regarding Pokrovsk, I haven't listened to it yet., but I think I disagree w/ Pokrovsk importance. More later.) "Putin never planned for a long war. The invasion was meant to last a few days. Ukraine was the red line. That’s what Russian policymakers had warned the U.S. about for years. The idea was to send troops in, topple the government, draw the line, and leave. But that plan failed. Instead of a quick operation, Putin got stuck in a war he can’t win, one that has drained his military and isolated Russia from the world.” Power grids exploding. Soldiers unpaid. Cities running on generators. Putin says Russia’s economy is untouchable. Konstantin from Inside Russia says that’s a lie. He lived it, and what he describes sounds less like strength and more like survival on borrowed time. We cover: •⁠ ⁠Why Western sanctions are finally cutting off the oxygen •⁠ ⁠How oil giants like Rosneft and Lukoil are scrambling for cash •⁠ ⁠What life looks like when prices rise and supplies vanish overnight •⁠ ⁠Why Russia’s best engineers and developers are leaving faster than they can be replaced •⁠ ⁠And how one wrong move could send the entire system crashing Konstantin says Russia’s economy isn’t dying quietly. It’s bleeding out in real time, and Putin can’t stop it. 02:02 – “Moscow is not Russia,” wealth versus decay beyond the capital 03:55 – From wild 90s freedom to Putin’s tightening grip 05:47 – The social contract: stay quiet and live comfortably 07:09 – The invasion ends that contract overnight 07:20 – The economic panic as companies flee 08:30 – Competing narratives: collapse or resilience 09:17 – How Russia stumbled into a war it did not plan for 10:50 – Shock and chaos among Russian officials 12:55 – Propaganda scrambles to invent justifications 14:30 – The instant exodus of Western companies 16:30 – Ikea, Apple, McDonald’s, and the first wave of panic 17:28 – Russia forbids dollar withdrawals to stop the run 18:40 – How Putin’s “war economy” kept the system alive 19:16 – Oil prices surge, saving Russia for two years 20:22 – Who blew up Nord Stream and who benefited most 21:04 – Why the U.S. gained as Europe lost Russian gas 22:19 – Decades of cheap energy end overnight 23:28 – How Russia gave Europe’s market to America 24:11 – The self-inflicted wound that wrecked Gazprom’s future 25:25 – The economic unraveling begins 26:25 – The perfect storm of sanctions, exodus, and brain drain 28:05 – Millions leave, the professionals among them 29:10 – War spending drains the “savings account” 30:12 – Putin’s reserves are drying up 31:48 – GDP myths and fake data inside Russia 32:25 – The illusion of growth built on war production 33:44 – Military factories slow and layoffs begin 35:03 – “The party’s over,” Russia hits zero growth 35:45 – Why Putin still refuses to end the war 37:29 – The Titanic analogy: lights on, hull already flooded 40:00 – Blackouts, shortages, and the slow collapse 42:00 – Siemens leaves, turbines fail, power plants decay 43:12 – Why China cannot replace Western tech 44:40 – The lagging effect of sanctions now hitting home 45:10 – Putin escalates war as protests begin to spread 46:50 – Early sparks of unrest across Russian cities 47:55 – Prices soar, infrastructure breaks down 49:01 – Fear inside Putin’s own circle grows 50:36 – Why he cannot stop the war without losing power 52:05 – The danger of returning soldiers and shrinking spoils 52:58 – Why the “territory win” is a poisoned prize 54:30 – Putin’s miscalculation as NATO grows stronger 56:20 – Mario challenges NATO’s role and the red line argument 57:55 – Konstantin’s rebuttal: “Diplomacy, not invasion” 59:03 – The myth of NATO encirclement 01:01:46 – How Putin turned NATO from partner to enemy for politics 01:03:02 – Why he really invaded Ukraine: falling ratings and stagnation 01:05:33 – The plan for a quick regime change gone wrong 01:06:52 – “He wanted control, not blood,” but the war trapped him 01:07:29 – Mario proposes future debates with data-driven experts"
  7. This is kind of a big deal. With the new information posted, I was finally able to find the Vladimirskaya Substation on a map. (The connecting lines shown are representations only.) "Strike drones targeted an energy infrastructure facility near the Russian city of Vladimir overnight between November 4 and 5. The strike hit the Vladimirskaya high-voltage substation (750 kV) in the settlement of Energetik, near Vladimir." The statement above in incorrect. "The Vladimirskaya substation is one of the region’s major energy facilities. Its installed capacity is about 4,010 MVA. The substation is a key hub, with numerous 110–750 kV power transmission lines branching out from it, serving the regional power grid. Its stable operation is critical to the reliability and balance of Russia’s power system. It was the second time in a week that Ukrainian drones had hit the facility and set it on fire. Aside from scattered light anti-aircraft fire at the target, the Ukrainian drones seemed to have made their way to the target unimpeded. The Vladimirskaya substation is a key energy facility transferring electricity from the Volga Hydroelectric Power Plant, the Kostroma Power Plant (natural gas-fired), and the Kalinin Nuclear Power Plant to the cities of Vladimir and Ivanovo and their collective regional populations of at least 750,000 residents, as well as serving as a major electricity source for the greater Moscow power grid." I think it is fair to say this is probably the most important electrical substation in Russia, with the main service area being Moscow. This is the second attack in the last month on this Vladimirskaya substation, located ~ 100 miles from Moscow, with the 3 main plants feeding the substation totaling over 10,000 MW of capacity, diversified between Nuclear, Hydroelectric and Natural Gas: Volga Hydroelectric Power Plant 2,735 MW Kostroma (Natural Gas) Power Plant 3,720 MW , targeted this week Kalinin Nuclear Power Plant 4,000 MW For reference the 2 Texas Nukes total 5,000 MW (The South Texas Plant capacity is 2,700 MW, and the Comanche Peak Plant has a capacity of 2,300 MW). Texas just approved the first 765 kV power lines in Texas in April 2025. Anybody surprised that the ERCOT managed power grid in Texas is inferior to Russia's? Sorry, Cheap shot. Everything in Russia is a life support system for Moscow.
  8. I updated my map of the Pokrovsk area. It is in a flat open area, with no significant geographical features (Rivers and hill tops.) Bakhmut had a number of river valleys and well defined "higher ground" areas, which allowed both sides to look down into the city, and inflict damage on the other. While Russia has made significant gains in the general area in 2025, they have only gained ~ 2 miles in the area immediately west of Pokovsk. In Povrovsk, there is still ~ 5 mile gap between the Russian forces, which is basically a bunch of open fields. Not the best area to do sneak and peek, or move quantities of troops and equipment, but Russia's gonna Russia, meat assaults across open grounds hoping Ukraine runs out of bullets.
  9. If you are reading this, I have more in common with you than most people I know. I came here long ago to talk about Texas football; now I spend 3/4's of my time on Surly on this thread, and very little on the football boards. The insight and opinions you share with us are so much more grounded in facts and reality than anything I read elsewhere. Thank you all. Put me down for a round. Not sure where or when, but I'd welcome a meet and greet.
  10. It looks like Bakhmut 2.0. Honestly, for the 1st half of the war, I was immersed in the day-day battles up and down the line. Over time it got very depressing, given the overwhelming superiority Russia had in numbers they could throw at the wall. For Ukraine, I never viewed them as just numbers, but as people. With Ukraine receiving longer range strike weapons, and DEVELOPING their own weapons systems, including drones, and given "permission" to strike Russia and defend themselves, my focus shifted to Ukraine's prosecution of the war in Russia, because it was strategic, and was an arms length war with minimal Ukraine casualties. Pokrovsk has been sobering. The cumulative effect of Ukraine targeting critical Russian infrastructure is going to catch up with Russia at some point, but Ukraine is still losing people every day. It reminds me of how naive I was when I thought we were winning in Vietnam, until I grew up and realized people I knew from Bergstrom didn't come home. But I see how effective Ukraine has been in their targeting deep inside of Russia, and believe they will have similar success along the front lines. "Slava Ukraini!"
  11. And I thought hot-wiring something was so 80's. It looks like they are either routine repairs or just fixing some minor collateral damage. There are no scorch marks, and the piping doesn't look like a bowl of black spaghetti. I'd like to see some photo's and video's of the aftermath of the explosions in the attack videos.
  12. Absolutely. Chase Daniels has a lot of reasons to dislike Texas. His Top 10 Missouri team (2008?) got smoked when Texas jumped out to a 35-0 2nd qtr lead. But, he's an NFL QB who knows his craft, and the differences between the college game and the NFL, and the skills and performances that translates between them. He did a great job of showing the pre-snap alignment and disguised coverages, the WR routes, the options that would, and were, either covered or open, and Arch's reading them one by one, going through his progressions, until he found the open receiver. Or the opposite, recognizing he would have a one on one pre snap and just waiting to make the throw. You can't see some of that from watching TV. Chase was pretty emphatic on a few of them, going through the progressions, and making the throws; "... this is why he will be the #1 draft choice..." Arch recognized the blitz early, anticipated the gaps in coverage, and got the ball out quick, which made the OL look a lot better. He had a bunch of NFL throws Saturday. The way he led Wingo like he did, the defender following him across the field had no chance to get there to make a tackle. If Wingo breaks stride, or jumps, or reaches back, it is just a routine behind the line pass, + or - 2-3 yards. (Chase was very complimentary of Weisner's pass blocking.) Reading 4 pages of this thread is agonizing. How the fuck did you get into Texas? Oh, you were concussed after you graduated? Ooops! "... he missed some throws ..." Really? So did Mahomes, and Dak, and Josh Allen. Everybody misses wide open throws. Ironically, I came here way back when, (pre Shaggy?) to read and chat about Texas football. I avoid this thread most of the time because of the unrealistic expectations that some of you place on a bunch of kids. Arch's advisors wanted him to have 20+ pre-NFL starts for a reason. Like it or not, that comes with some growing pains. Some of the YouTube videos do a great job of analyzing everything that happens before Arch throws the ball, the poor (terrible) play calling, the ole' blocks, the poor route running, the things that make the QB look bad. Maybe a few of you should broaden your horizons, and consider some opinions other than your own, before you make some of your comments.
  13. I have very little specific knowledge of some of my posts, but I can drive Google Earth & search pretty good. I am able to match up information from the posts here and related rabbit holes and provide what you read here. If one had Process Flow Diagrams and Plot Plans of facilities, it would be very easy to dial in GPS coordinates, and hit the critical pieces of equipment. Some of the videos of the hits on Refinery Towers tells me the camera guys knew exactly when and where to start the video. Nobody takes a video of a refinery for shits and giggles, unless they have a reason to do it. You all know better than I, but I think a lot of the USSR technology came from Ukraine. The Antonov 225 (Mira) and her two MIG escorts that came to Oklahoma City in '90-91, that Russia destroyed the first week of the war, were painted in Ukraine colors. Somebody went through the basements and archives and mined the data Ukraine needed to improve their targeting of strategic facilities. I could go back to my posts from the past 3 years (I am not doing it) and get a general idea when Ukraine got better at hitting targets. It is a combination of two different things, better targeting information and better weapons systems. This is the third time in 2 months Ukraine has hit the Sterlitamak Industrial complex; The Power Plant, the Avangard Chemical Plant in October and the Sterlitamak Petrochemical Plant this week. It could be 3 different companies are all the same, but they are all next to each other, with a combined footprint of 4-5 Sq miles. Sterlitamak Petrochemical Plant General Information Manufacturer of petrochemicals products based in Bashkortostan, Russia. The company manufactures styrene-butadiene rubbers, aviation and sports gasoline, multi-product low-tonnage chemicals, high-octane fuel additives and other petrochemical products, thereby helping companies in the production of phenolic antioxidants, used for the production of synthetic rubbers, plastics, fibers, lubricating and transformer oils, as well as for the feed, food and cosmetics industries. They make a lot of weapons related products. If they make the rubber products, given the size of the complex, that probably also make tires. The recent video was shot from the lower LH corner of my screenshot, with the orange rectangle deemed to be the probable location of the explosion and fire, The red polygon in the NE corner is an ''ammunition storage" area, which could be either ammunition, or propelants, or rocket fuels, etc. That is also within the scope of the video, and they do make nice fireballs. From earlier in the war,
  14. Transformers are to Electrical Substations as Process Towers are to Refineries. Substations transform between Lower Voltage (Power Generation) up to High Voltage (transmission lines) and back down to Lower Voltage (distribution systems). The resistance across the transformers generate a lot of heat that must be dissipated, so they have large oil filled radiators and fans to help cool down the equipment. They are designed "fit for purpose" pieces of equipment and are not really interchangeable, and they are not likely to have spares sitting around. Other than arcing power lines, the transformers are about the only thing that burns in a substation. And like process towers, the heat signature of a transformer can be seen from space. 4 of the 5 stations are between Luhansk and the active contact line between Russia & Ukraine forces. Ukraine is unplugging the Russian power grid as they are counter-attacking Russian forces. I think it's going to be dark over there for a bit, and the Russian communications will be more challenging than they already were. (I have not updated my contact lines in quite a while and that info is dated.)
  15. Now this is some quality reporting. A Lat/Long of the fire and a Google Earth photo. "It’s just a mathematical truth. We caused much greater damage to the Russian Federation through direct action than any economic levers of influence that had been introduced on them until now," he added. It looks like the netting stopped the drones, so Ukraine blew up the pipelines the old fashioned way. HUR said the strike targeted the Koltsevoy (Ring) pipeline, a 400-kilometer-long fuel artery used to supply Russia’s armed forces with gasoline, diesel, and jet fuel from refineries in Ryazan, Nizhny Novgorod, and Moscow. I'm betting the future holds some long range missile strikes hitting the storage facilities were the refinery pipelines cross the Moscow Ring pipelines. I'll try to find these when I get a chance. The toe bones are connected the the ankle bone, and the ankle bone is connected to the leg bone..., etc. "The green oil tanker in the photo is approximately 820 feet (250 meters) long and 145 feet (44 meters) wide is typically classified as an Aframax vessel. An Aframax tanker typically carries around 750,000 barrels of oil. The range is generally between 500,000 to 800,000 barrels, depending on the specific design and type of oil (crude vs. refined product). Operational Use: Aframax tankers are popular because their size allows them to access most ports globally, including those without very large crude oil terminals. They are commonly used for short- to medium-haul crude oil transportation in regions such as the Black Sea, the North Sea, the Caribbean, and the Mediterranean." The info provided puts the crosshairs on the pipeline manifold serving the berth furthest into the sea, away from the storage facilities. I think that means there a massive piece of steel and iron laying at the bottom of the Black Sea where the green tanker used to be. Equally important, the pipeline manifold itself is probably destroyed to the point that the isolation valves are inoperable at best, and destroyed at worst, meaning that oil flow cannot be stopped at the green berth at the end of the pipelines. The only means of stopping flow at the green tanker means the pipelines need to be shut off further upstream. A similar pipeline manifold exists at the loading berth with the red tanker, with the laterals and manifold 'teeing" off the mainlines. In this case, isolating the mainlines because of the fire at the green berth means the valves are closed further upstream of the red berth also, making that berth inoperable. A wider view shows that the Taupse terminal has 4 loading berths, each with a similar pipeline/manifold design as the green and red berths. The "Taupse Loading Manifold" shown is the first point at which the fire at the green berth can be isolated to stop the flow of oil to the fire. To isolate the fire at the green berth, the entire loading terminal is isolated. It appears that for the foreseeable future, crude and products exports from Taupse are not happening. Please note the Tuapse Refinery proximate to the export terminal, Russia's 8th largest with a capacity of 240,000 BPD. Tuapse was probably only exporting limited refined products, but that does not appear to be an option for a while. Tuapse and the entire coast is somewhat isolated by the mountainous terrain along the coast, and the rail line serving that area is a twisty, turning line ~ 50 miles long before you get to flatter terrain. Damaging the export facilities won't shut down the refinery, but the logistics of moving all the refined products out by rail just became more complicated.
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