Minnesota lost to UNC, Iowa, Michigan, Rutgers and PSU the last of which was the only team they lost to that was ranked end of season. Illinois was the only ranked team they beat last year. They ended at 8-5 with a bowl game win over a 6 win VT. So I could agree they were not bad, but probably not good either. Above average unless we are going to start making the case that 8-5 is good. I'd say the same for Vanderbilt, who I think can probably get to 7 wins again this year.
The entire reason they came up was a poster was defending Penn States ranking. I pointed out the struggles PSU had with Bowlimg Green, Minnesota and USC last year. The same poster then used the single Vanderbilt game to compare to Penn State's 3 struggles against mediocre to bad teams.
@SL Xpress Compared Franklin to Mack Brown. I think it a very apt comparison. I do disagree with his take on Kotelnicki as I don’t think Kotelnicki is the problem. Rather, given Franklin's propensity to be "Sacred to death" he pulls the offense play calls back from Kotelnicki and goes full Turtle Tom. Joel Klatt had a pretty good coverage of it last year on one of his videos.