BurntEyes

The test is not complete without the most important appendage being subjected to the "cut off test".

Come and knock on my door They're gonna need a gay female to round out the Three's Company trifecta and I've got the perfect cast member:

I'd like to point out Nebraska and Missery as exhibits B and C please.

Bullshit!! Hello!!!! Hello!!!

All of this. You want to get arrested in the name of your cause, by all means. It falls clearly into civil disobedience and is a well known form of protest. You want to restrict movement of another group of people, counter protestors or bystanders, you're now impending on THEIR rights. You fight back against people defending their rights or they fight you for theirs, that's in the game. Either or boths sides gets injured or arrested for those actions, it's in the game. You signed up for this, and if you aren't prepared to suffer the consequences of your actions don't play the game. Because it isn't a game at all and there are repercussions to your actions. As there should be. In my youth I was a part of Anti-Racist Actions which ultimately morphed into Antifa. (It's a long complex morph but that's the short version) As a group we actively went out and faced down with physical aggression groups of neo-nazis who were staking claim to specific areas, most notably the up and coming Deep Ellum at the time. I put my hands on people and they put their hands on me. Had the police caught the activity I would have gone to jail and likely been charged. I made the choice to face down folks that were staking claim to a give "space" and issuing their rhetoric and propaganda. They were also issues they crested of violence regarding "unwanted" folks in that space. I was 15. I knew my life, health and freedom were all at stake. I made choices. I don't regret them. I never went to police before or after, that was my choice. It's not a game, and the rules are known.

Is it well funded and organized? Is the surly sober brigade counter protest also well funded and organized? I'm available to the highest bidder as long as no engineers are involved.

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On Friday or Saturday?? Frequently. Edit - Speaking of.. that is a location where I'd be more than happy to join a protest. These organizers are doing it wrong.

What about a 2 story beer bong? Oh, I swallow!!!

I will not suffer the tyrannical oppression of a grammar nazi! https://www.researchgate.net/publication/323449136_Focusness_Extraction_from_Images_for_Automatic_Camera_Control_by_Measuring_Objectness Focusness Extraction from Images for Automatic Camera Control by Measuring Objectness

I come here for my PrimeTime Telenovela and I'll be damn if I'll let the fucking election debates interrupt my reading pleasure. Dammit!!!

I think it apt and amazingly amusing that this thread has devolved into the pro-engineering and conference alignment debate. And I'll own my part in the protest going rogue. Focusness is a lost art.

Sadly, way too many people in way too many ways lack any ability to look past the immediate squirrel in the room. They become fixated on a single aspect of a subject or goal and have zero ability to understand the long term picture at all. And just drive down any road anywhere USA to be made fully aware that focusness is a lost art.

I do want to be very clear. While I completely support my friends and family in the engineering freedom fight, I'm not reading their protest manuals.

E E, M E, even silly chemisty Engineers must be set free We have brains we have might Engineers will win the fight

Amigo, I'm not even sure that I got a degree.

Yeah, somebody has to sell the shit those fucking nerds create.

EEs are fine, it's the Palestinian hating MEs and Pro-Israel CEs that are the problem.

And a few less NOI feeds on her social media.

This is cryptic and not very useful, thanks!

That and/or internal forces with specific agendas (probably on both sides) would be the best bet.

I sadly agree, and of course this being 'Murica the various sides are lining up the usual rhetoric and the social media propaganda machines are cranking up on both sides. Meanwhile, an issue that truly deserves national attention is being basically ignored. At this point, I really just hope it doesn't spin up into another national tragedy, but my hope is diminishing daily. I also don't think this is the last of its kind this year. It's become the political world we live in, and for that I'm greatly saddened. I still would like to know who's really driving this ship on the protests. Not many are asking that question.

I didn't organize these events. This isn't how I would have gone about it. And we've gotten to the crux of the issue. Just like Occupy and BLM protest got out of hand due to local and national leadership issues, so shall this.

I agree that the subject is nuanced. I also fund it interesting that if one is against the broad methodology of the protests they must therefore be Pro-Israel in the discussions here and elsewhere. Most here don't seem capable of having a nuanced discussion or admitting things that are counter to whichever side they are on. So, to be clear, I think protests to bring attention to what I feel was an overreaction by the Israeli Government is merited and fair. As a person who grew up with a Jewish stepfather and Jewish siblings I think that ang such protests need to be extremely clear in both their intent and attendees. Yes, you can manage the attendance of your own protest if you chose to do so. I've seen it done in the past. I think the place and organizing of these protest and the criminal activities also involved are all counter productive the means of the protest. It shouldn't be on universities, it should be better organized, the attendees should be better informed, it should be better self policed and that would create an environment that is more productive to the cause rather than drawing attention away from it.

My questions are relevant and clear. I'm asked some very specific questions about YOUR views and you've chosen not to answer them. I will however answer yours directly, despite having a post on this same page indicating my position. 1) Were I leading a protest of any sort, ME, I would NOT violate any laws. 2) Were I leading a protest if would be at a time and place that engaged directly with the companies or government bodies that directly effected my cause. 3) I would proactively have plans in place to make sure that any bad actors joining my protest were ultimately asked to leave or somehow be strongly encouraged to leave. Be it, by internal group request or law enforcement if necessary. 4) If at, any point, I felt my efforts were counter to the ends of the protest and proactively drawing attention AWAY from the effort I would end them immediately. I would and have expected the same from every protest I've been a part of and any I might join in the future. This isn't that difficult.