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For survival, the irate 8 should add BYU, Cincinnati, Memphis and Houston. Go with divisions of North BYU-Iowa state-Kansas- KSU-Cincinnati-WVU South Texas Tech-Okie Lite-TCU-Baylor-Houston-Memphis Play 8 conference games. Teams should try to have one marquee matchup against a tougher team in their region to promote interest and play 3 other patty cakes to build the overall record of the conference. Say one year you have BYU beating Utah, Okie lite beating OUsux, Memphis beating Arkansas etc that will make the league respectable and will help to add interest from the bigger markets. Nothing they do will put them on a tier with the SEC or the Big10 but they can definitely go after the PAC 12 if they are aggressive and smart about what they do.
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I didn’t think they would do it but if it’s true that they all are scheduling 1 team each from the other two conferences then they are essentially reducing any matchups with Sec teams to next to nothing. This is a Cold War move.
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New SEC divisions and pods thread (Page 30 starts recent discussion)
HornsofBevo replied to mdmost's topic in Football
What I would like to see with a pod system is an emphasis on regional games. So pods would look like Pod 1 Texas Ousux pig aggy Pod 2 Miz Tenn Kentucky Vandy Pod 3 Bama LSU Ole Miss Miss st Pod 4 Florida UGA SC Auburn Do a permanent cross over game and get through all conference mates within three years -
If the "alliance" really sees the SEC as so big of threat that they have to have closed door meetings to figure out a counter play then there really are only two things they should do. First, they need to all agree as a collective that they will not schedule any SEC teams out of conference giving the playoff committee no way of comparing the alliance teams to the SEC. Even if most people believed the second place SEC team to be better, it would force the playoff committee to be more even handed when they gave out playoff spots. Second, if I'm the ACC or the PAC 12 especially, I would look to destroy the Big 12 immediately. Even though they look mostly dead, don't give them time to figure things out. The Pac should at minimum grab Okie lite and Tech which has a strong DFW following and the ACC should grab WVU. Also, I believe when the dust settles, Kansas will be in the BIG 10. That would effectively drain all the value left from the Big 12 and would give the Pac 12 access to the central time zone.
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My hope is that we get two divisions with bama and auburn moving east. Getting to play Pig, aggy, LSU and then playing OUsux in Dallas every year is about the best scenario possible. It completely trumps all other annual matchups that any conference could offer and we still have room to play a USC or Ohio State as our big OOC game.
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I think from Tech’s point of view, this is keeping your friends close and your enemies closer. The other teams have proven they have no issue stabbing other schools in the back if it serves their interest. I think Tech is smart to use them as a backup plan while they try to get the PAC to take them.
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New SEC divisions and pods thread (Page 30 starts recent discussion)
HornsofBevo replied to mdmost's topic in Football
Dream scenario for me would be Texas, Ousux, pig and aggy all in one pod with a permanent rivalry with LSU. After that you can schedule pods however you want. That’s most likely not going to happen in a pod scenario so I would prefer divisions. Out of the east we can play one of the better schools(bama ,Georgia, Florida, auburn) paired up with one of the weaker schools. It’s not perfect but I think it would work pretty well and our fans would be able to reasonably travel to almost all of our games. -
I don’t think it’s the worst idea for some of those teams to try to sell themselves as a package deal to PAC or ACC but with the AAC already having UH, SMU and Tulsa I think the better option would be for Tech, TCU and Okie Lite to join up with them. Try to get ESPN to redo the AAC contract and ask for a bigger slice of the pie. The AAC should then make sure that anytime Texas and aggy aren’t on TV their Texas teams are. It would make for a great second tier Texas market and when an Okie Lite or TCU made the playoffs it would bring credibility to the conference. It would take time to develop but I think the AAC could become a great big 12 substitute and Tech, TCU and Okie Lite could be the leaders of that conference. Baylor can go back to being a junior college no one cares about.
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Agree. Steal a couple of schools from a P5 conference or take BYU (big following) and Cincinnati(Nice metro area with room to grow) and be done with it. Both teams would bring viewers and both have shown the ability to be competitive with other P5 schools. This allows the Big12 to split into two divisions and gives us an extra win each year. Every team in the conference would be one game better each year and it still allows reaches like Nebraska and Arkansas to be added and make sense geographically. It also makes for a competitive north conference if BYU, Iowa State and West Virginia can stay respectable. North: BYU-WVU-Cinn-ISU-Kansas-Kansas State South: Texas-OUsux-OSU-Tech-TCU-Baylor
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https://twitter.com/CoachWMuschamp/following Looks like he started following the DC/OLb coach from Georgia too.
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A few reasons 1. He is a great offensive mind. His offense would be a perfect counter to OU 2. He has NFL experience. He could sit in recruits living rooms and sell them on the fact that he's been there and can teach them how to go pro 3. His time with Saban. If he is as smart as everyone says he is then he's been taking notes and observing what it takes to run the most successful program in college football 4. He has coaching experience in a P5 league. Unlike Herman and Strong, Sark has several years experience as a Head coach which means he knows what goes into being the head man. During his time with Saban and in the NFL, he has most likely been able to evaluate some of the things he did right and wrong as a head coach. He never made Washington into world beaters but that program was as good as dead we he got there and he turned them into a .500 program. Not the greatest but it does make you wonder how good he could have become if he wasn't a Sumlin level alcoholic. You hire him because he comes from the most successful program in the nation any he has the most upside potential of and candidate we could hire. If he really has be clean for several years and Urban does turn us down, we could do a lot worse then Sark.
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Well you are in the Urban Meyer or bust thread so I think that goes without saying.
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I think the bigger their win is over OUsux the better the chance is of that happening.
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This is the way I've been leaning this whole time. CDC and Urban Meyer both seem to highly value handling business professionally. I think an agreement has been made but they both decided for several reasons to hold off until the season is over. CDC doesn't want to give the appearance that he didn't give Tom a fair shake and if Urban is looking to add staff from OSU then he will be willing to wait before he stirs the hornets nest. This was the most obvious with Urban's reaction yesterday to the "ulcers in Ohio" comment. For about 10 seconds, his body language showed complete panic like someone had broke the story about him accepting the job. We're a weekend early here. I fully expect next Sunday to be the day everything goes down.
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That's all I needed to hear. Urban Meyer to Texas confirmed!!!
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This guy might be good for some 2 win program that needs some structure but as a Big time college coach his record isn't all that impressive outside of his wins against Saban. While at Ole Miss his record was 2012 7-6 2013 8-5 2014 9-4 2015 10-3 2016 5-7 39-25 (.609) As a reminder, Herman's record at Texas so far 2017 7-6 2018 10-4 2019 8-5 2020 5-2 30-17 (.638) Sounds like someone is just trying to get their name out there so they can coach at some place that matters.
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Tom "the turtle" Herman [Lame Duck or greatest 5d chess player ever?]
HornsofBevo replied to Neonmoon's topic in Football
This is so simple. Fire Herman. Make Ash the interim HC and let Yurcich run the offense with nobody hanging over his shoulder. -
I agree with this. I think for Urban Meyer, he probably sees this as about the smoothest transition he can make going back into college football. Whatever you think about Herman, he has done a good job of recruiting talent during his tenure here. This is not the rebuild that Charlie Strong walked into. I think with Herman and Strong as our last two coaches, there is already the rough framework of what a Meyer program generally looks like. The missing factor has been Urban's fanatical attention to detail that we have obviously haven't had for the last 7 years. With the structure, talent and support in place, I think Urban probably sees this as his most ideal landing spot.
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I'm really hoping the Vikings pick him up as a replacement for Diggs. I think he would fit perfect in that offense.
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My biggest question in all this realignment talk is from the PAC and BIG12 standpoint isn't it obvious that the two leagues need to form some kind of merger to survive long term? The BIG 12 will be at best in 3rd in money behind the SEC and B1G for decades at the rate this is going. The PAC is already looked at as number 5 out of the P5 with no upward projection in sight. The money gap is only going to increase which is going to start to tempt blue bloods to leave. I don't know how many teams have to leave the PAC for the league to dissolve but I have read that the BIG 12 needs 8 teams to leave for the league to break up. If that's true a merger seems to be the obvious solution. Dissolve both leagues, place Washington, Oregon, USC, UCLA , Arizona, Arizona St, Utah and Colorado in one division and Texas, Tech, TCU, Oklahoma, Okie st, Kansas, Kansas st and Iowa st in the other. It doesn't matter how often every team in one league plays the other league. The regional teams get to play each other every year and with a 9 team conference schedule every team will play each other a least once every 4 years. Just about every major TV market for college football could be owned by a FOX or ESPN. The PAC team division would get better national exposure playing central time games and California would open up for the smaller BIG 12 schools. That seems to be the best solution for both conferences if they want to compete long term with the SEC and B1G. Unless something similar to this happens I think the BIG 12 loses Oklahoma and even Texas over the next decade.
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Accurate and funny at the same time.
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I agree with most of what you're saying but to think Texas and Ousux would be stuck as a mid-tier team is wrong. The schedule most years for Texas would consist of Ou-Split LSU-split Ark-win aggy-win Misery-win Ole Miss-win Miss St-win Random SEC east-Split That schedule with a soft OOC will have us at 9 or better wins every year. Having a 10 win team playing in the SEC will make Texas recruiting go to top 5 every year which will eventually lead to playoffs and a NC. This also makes aggy less appealing to recruits who want to play in the SEC but would also like to stay close to home. Texas is not becoming Alabama, LSU or one of the mississippi schools academically when they join the SEC. The only reason we are not playing there yet is because of the academic side think we would become a strictly football school with education as a side thought but I believe Texas as a university is more likely to raise the standard in the SEC than Texas lowering it standards. The SEC is the way to go. Your points about historic rivals and the financial disparity growing is spot on. I can only hope that the right people at Texas and Ousux will be able to see it too.
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Outside of finding a way to make the BIG XII better, this is the option Texas and OUsux should be choosing. Just getting to play LSU, Piggy, aggy, Oklahoma, Mizzou and others every year would be a far superior schedule to the one we've been playing from a regional and historic perspective. One reason some people don't want to join the SEC is because of the belief that they don't care about academics but the SEC currently has 4 AAU member schools and a potential 5th with Georgia if they are willing to put in the work. Money would probably be the final reason to go. The gap between the B1G, SEC and others conferences is only going to continue to grow to the point that lower tier schools will start out earning traditional blue bloods stuck in the have-not conferences. I know there are a few that hate the SEC but it is the only conference outside of a remodeled BIG XII that makes sense for Texas and Oklahoma.
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Incredible. What a comeback.
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