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Yeah. I mean I get it I guess. ESP when the commas come into play. But there is hotter trim on the sidelines of youth soccer in west Austin.

Loaded. For sure. But other than that pretty basic white girl.

She’s very basic.

Ok.

You seem petty.

Is she three feet tall?

Game.

Rare neg. But well earned.

Overdone, but good for Kariko to get the call out. And now PFE proceeds to pivot away from their government funded franchise to oncology.

Checks out. Wife started shaking her ass when Luda came out.

Yep.

Just let dr Dre do it every year.

Hashbrown, ham and cheese, egg.

I think my words were clear. Obviously the fact that Iraq and Afghanistan involved the invasion of American troops is a meaningful distinction. The lessons learned however wrt articulating and communicating to the American people clear goals and the unwind strategy are transferable to other situations, such as Ukraine.

You just can’t help yourself can you. It’s just intrinsic to your nature.

Because you put words into quotes and attributed them to me that were not my actual words. You did so to try to achieve some rhetorical advantage, but it achieves no such thing and just demonstrates how dishonest you are. I already explained this to you up page.

I don't think that bringing them into NATO is a great idea in the near term. Maybe there is a time and place for that some point in the future. I think that the aid packages should be put up as standalone bills. This bullshit of wrapping up Ukraine aid with aid to Israel and the border is fucking bullshit. Put up stand alone bills. Debate them in congress. Let the representatives vote, and then we have elections to hold them accountable. That is how this shit is supposed to work. I also think that aid, whether to Israel as they conduct their ethnic cleansing exercise, or to Ukraine as they defend themselves from Russian invasion, needs to be tied to clear and measurable objectives and key results. And we need a roadmap and timeline for how this shit is supposed to wind down. I know that the latter is tricky, but we need to learn from our mistakes in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Or, alternatively, "epidemiologists". It's amazing to me that there are still people here that think that the mandate tactic deployed was a good idea. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35618306/ The unintended consequences of COVID-19 vaccine policy: why mandates, passports and restrictions may cause more harm than good Kevin Bardosh 1 2, Alex de Figueiredo 3, Rachel Gur-Arie 4 5, Euzebiusz Jamrozik 5 6, James Doidge 7 8, Trudo Lemmens 9, Salmaan Keshavjee 10, Janice E Graham 11, Stefan Baral 12 Affiliations collapse Affiliations 1School of Public Health, University of Washington, Seattle, Washington, USA bardosh_kevin@hotmail.com. 2Division of Infection Medicine, University of Edinburgh, Edinburgh, UK. 3Department of Infectious Disease Epidemiology, London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine, London, UK. 4Berman Institute of Bioethics, Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, Maryland, USA. 5Oxford-Johns Hopkins Global Infectious Disease Collaborative (GLIDE), University of Oxford, Oxford, UK. 6Ethox and the Wellcome Centre for Ethics and Humanities, University of Oxford, Oxford, UK. 7Intensive Care National Audit and Research Centre (ICNARC), London, UK. 8Department of Medical Statistics, London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, London, UK. 9Faculty of Law and Dalla Lana School of Public Health, University of Toronto, Toronto, Ontario, Canada. 10Department of Global Health and Social Medicine, Harvard Medical School, Boston, Massachusetts, USA. 11Department of Pediatrics (Infectious Diseases), Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada. 12Department of Epidemiology, Johns Hopkins School of Public Health, Baltimore, Maryland, USA. Abstract Vaccination policies have shifted dramatically during COVID-19 with the rapid emergence of population-wide vaccine mandates, domestic vaccine passports and differential restrictions based on vaccination status. While these policies have prompted ethical, scientific, practical, legal and political debate, there has been limited evaluation of their potential unintended consequences. Here, we outline a comprehensive set of hypotheses for why these policies may ultimately be counterproductive and harmful. Our framework considers four domains: (1) behavioural psychology, (2) politics and law, (3) socioeconomics, and (4) the integrity of science and public health. While current vaccines appear to have had a significant impact on decreasing COVID-19-related morbidity and mortality burdens, we argue that current mandatory vaccine policies are scientifically questionable and are likely to cause more societal harm than good. Restricting people's access to work, education, public transport and social life based on COVID-19 vaccination status impinges on human rights, promotes stigma and social polarisation, and adversely affects health and well-being. Current policies may lead to a widening of health and economic inequalities, detrimental long-term impacts on trust in government and scientific institutions, and reduce the uptake of future public health measures, including COVID-19 vaccines as well as routine immunisations. Mandating vaccination is one of the most powerful interventions in public health and should be used sparingly and carefully to uphold ethical norms and trust in institutions. We argue that current COVID-19 vaccine policies should be re-evaluated in light of the negative consequences that we outline. Leveraging empowering strategies based on trust and public consultation, and improving healthcare services and infrastructure, represent a more sustainable approach to optimising COVID-19 vaccination programmes and, more broadly, the health and well-being of the public.

Are you doing ok, gator? Seriously. I haven't said anything about masks in the current exchange. I wore mine pretty consistently when it was warranted. Shit, i put a mask on my avatar for christsake. I wore it until the situation did not warrant, dialed it down, and ramped it back up when the variant and case counts indicated it was prudent. I don't give a shit if people still want to wear masks. I was travelling this week and there were some people wearing masks here and there. It did not offend me in the least.

Thanks for typing that all out. I enjoyed reading it. I don’t find anything to disagree with in your take as reflected here, other than I would let the Ukrainians determine for themselves their stance regarding neutrality and what assurances they would need. I’ve already articulated my position wrt support, both financial and military. The reality is that our policy wrt Russia in the unipolar moment after the fall of the USSR was a failure. It’s been discussed here before at length, and you allude to I think some aspects of that in your post. The reality at this point is that nothing will change until Putin is dead and hopefully replaced by someone who is able to lay aside their grievances with the west, whether imagined or reality based. And that is no guarantee.

I’ve stated plenty of positions in black and white by quoting and responding over the last few pages. You guys ignore the answers and positions put forth, engage in misrepresenting my responses, jump into imagination land to fill in the gaps as you see them, and then act like you aren’t the ones engaging in bad faith discussion. Look I understand that y’all are all ok with this shit. Y’all are increasingly out of step with a sizable number of Americans that recognize this can’t go on for ever in the current state.

Lol. You not only lie to us, you lie to yourself. That’s a not a failure to capture nuance. It is straight up misrepresenting what was said. Adding the second question changes that not at all.

This is great. Your propaganda artistry is so ingrained, that even when you give some effort to "quote" me, misrepresent it to further your rhetorical objective. Here is what I said: Do you think that there is a point where we can reasonably turn down the spigot of taxpayer money and try to find a path forward? Yes.

You criticize me for not answering your questions or laying out positions. I have done so repeatedly and tried to have an exchange with you. You ignore most of the responses, go schizo, start strawmanning and calling everything Russian propaganda, rolling out negs to my responses while you bumble about trying to keep track of the different exchanges. Can back and read the last few pages of this thread fresh and you will appreciate what a dipshit you have been acting like.

None of that is an accurate representation of what I have said and expressed. That is your propaganda artistry at work, trying to spin any level of dissent or alternative path into other terms you find easier to knock down. We’ve seen this shit over and over again through recent and more distant history. The sound track that plays when someone pulls your string is not a new one.