Posts posted by Huckleberry
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5 minutes ago, hookem17 said:
Ranger Armstrong is just paying it forward.
2 minutes ago, TXSooner518 said:That is fucking absolutely outrageous if true. I'm sure he doesn't think she should be charged with a crime. How the fuck is driving 84 in a 45 in a mental state that by definition is compromised NOT at MINIMUM criminally negligent?
Yeah, what's the source on that?
And lawdogs, can that kind of thing be introduced toward the credibility of an expert witness or no?
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13 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:As dramatic as her testimony was, and likely damaging, don't think for a minute that the defense team didn't anticipate or was unready for that outcome.
I am relatively certain that they decided her testimony could be a shitshow and they needed to get it done hours before the jury began deliberations. The jury is going to now listen to several hours of phd testimony about how irrational people are under stress.
Getting the testimony we just heard as the last evidence the jury heard would have been an epic disaster.
But her testimony seems to undermine that defense to some extent. Now the jury has learned that she created the stressful situation. When we thought she crossed the threshold and entered the apartment before realizing Jean was there then arguments regarding stress response would have likely been very persuasive.
However, now we know from her testimony that she heard noise in the apartment before she went to open the door. Not only did she have the opportunity to avoid the stressful situation and call for backup before engaging, but she also has extensive professional training that taught her to do just that. But instead of doing so she chose to move into a confrontation and thereby provoked a tragedy.
Will the jury let her get away with using the stress she caused as a defense? You can't go up to someone, punch them in the face, shoot them when they prepare to hit you back, then use self-defense as a valid argument. So can you be the willing and purposeful cause of a stressful confrontation in someone else's home and then use that stress as a defense? To me the fact that she had not yet begun opening the door before she knew something was wrong is a very damaging fact.
Essentially now we know that the confrontation with a supposed intruder wasn't thrust upon her suddenly where it caught her unprepared. She knew before it happened that she was entering a confrontation with an "intruder" and was prepared for it.
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Yeah, I don't see anything wrong with any of the analysis of that move here. It was terrible and Vettel got extremely lucky.
As for the Ferrari undercut of Leclerc situation, it happens. The one thing I would be furious about if I were Leclerc is that he apparently wasn't told Vettel was pitting as soon as it happened. There absolutely should have been a message to Leclerc that Vettel had just pitted and that Leclerc would be pitting the next lap so he needed to push hard on his in-lap. If that really didn't happen then he has every right to bitch about it. I thought he handled his post-race interview in a much more professional manner than many would have if all this is true.
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15 minutes ago, oSuJeff97 said:
(I'm also guessing Chubba Hubbard will go since it's best to go out ASAP if you're a draftable RB.)
Well that and Gundy has him on pace for 388 carries this season (averaging nearly 32 carries per game against FBS opponents, apply that average to the rest of the season plus bowl game, throw in the 8 carries against McNeese State).
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A&M sports fans are the dumbest I've ever seen. Seriously. At least fans of interior institutions like UH stick with one consistent argument about how they're kept down by the man. But A&M fans will talk about how they run the state (#WRTS) and then one paragraph later whine about the BOMC and how UT keeps them down with our connections all over Texas with zero hint of irony. In fact they'll actually use both those thoughts as part of the same argument sometimes.
"We run this state and are the real powerhouse around here and everyone else would know it if it weren't for t.u. conspiring to keep us down all the time! "
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Do we know for sure that she tried her key in the lock? I agree with many people on this thread that jurors will have different takes on people obliviously entering the wrong apartment, but if you keep piling on warning signs at some point most or all jurors will start to wonder.
Bright red doormat (did her apartment have a doormat at all? I don't recall), tried her key and it didn't work and she was beeped at with a red light indicating as much, opens the door and the apartment smells different (and smell actually is a really big deal because it triggers our brains more powerfully than other senses), if the apartment is dark then it's obvious on the wall she's facing that the layout has door-wall-window instead of door-window-wall based on light coming in from outside.
If all those things are true then the number of things that would have caused a reasonable person to pause and verify the situation is starting to get pretty large.
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Man, still catching up on the thread. Those two pictures show plenty of obvious visual differences between the apartments. There is a clear and direct path from the front door to the balcony(?) door in Guyger's apartment but not in Jean's. It's a far more persuasive argument that the apartment was dark. But there's an issue with that, too. In Jean's apartment the back wall that you are facing as you enter has a door, then wall, then window as you go left to right. Guyger's has door, window, wall. That means that the light pattern you're confronted with when entering your dark apartment (light coming in through the window and the door's window) would have been completely different.
Basically I think those pictures don't help or hurt if I'm on the jury. Sure the general architectural layout was the same but there were plenty of obvious differences if you were paying any sort of attention, too.
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17 hours ago, bigup2dahorns said:
Doesn’t make it false. It’s a real thing happening. The prosecution already put on testimony that Jean frequently smoked weed. He’s the only one in a big apartment complex?Does Guyger smoke weed? Because the previous poster's point still stands if she doesn't. Her apartment would smell different.
I mean it's not like it's a case-clinching argument, but the smell of weed in a hallway is nothing at all like the smell in an apartment where weed is frequently smoked.
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1 hour ago, Gatorubet said:
We had seven years of championships with LSU Florida Auburn and Bama winning. Point me to a conference with four National champs in forty years, let alone less than a decade. I get that the SEC knob jobbing is annoying, and false. But nobody else has come close to dominating the game as the SEC has in modern memory, so there will be some bullshit puffery and biased SEC promoting from ESPN. No question.
You don't have to like it, but you can't point to another conference that has accomplished near the achievements of the SEC in the last fifteen years. Sucks, but whatchagonnado?
The Big 12 had 4 teams who had won NC in about a 15 year period (Colorado, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Texas) . I don't remember all this bullshit being said then.
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21 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:
There really is no "wrong" here. It's all just opinions and assholes and shit.
Agreed, but it does matter in the sense that it's not relevant to the case at hand. The fact that people who live with a male roommate would not have been surprised by a male in their apartment when they got home should not be held against Guyger in this case. She lives alone, so she should not be expected to react like someone who lives with someone else.
Exact same reason why the fact that people who live with someone else aren't surprised by changes to their welcome mat or to the interior decorating of their home should not be used as a defense of Guyger. Completely different situation and she shouldn't be expected to react like someone who lives with someone else.
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38 minutes ago, jkates said:
You've missed my point. I don't notice it AT ALL. I can't recall noticing welcome mats when I lived by myself either. I don't find it a strong point against the cop.
Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkNo, I got your point, I just think it's bad and also wrong. You are conditioned not to notice specifically because, as you said, your wife is constantly changing things around your house such as your doormat. If that did not happen because you lived alone then you would be far likelier to notice when something changed.
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23 minutes ago, Burt Macklin said:Us being up to 19th after 4 weeks after being 31st in the preseason, especially when our current 19th place ranking is still being heavily weighed down by the preseason ranking shows he was way off on us preseason, not that he'll ever admit it.
He was also way off on the B12 as a whole, which started the year at an avg of 6.9 and is already up to 12.1, while that 12.1 is again being weighed down by his preseason numbers. Unsurprisingly, the SEC is already down from 18 to 13.1, while being buoyed by it's preseason rankings.
A "game decided mainly by who finished drives." Ok, Bill. Based on his own metrics, we had an 89% win expectancy. A more accurate summation would've been Texas largely dominated the game but two muffed punts kept the score much closer than it should have been. Without the muffed punts, we kill OSU in success rate, YPP, and just about all of his other stats in the advanced box score.
Yeah, I think both struggle to finish top 35. ISU just doesn't have the skill talent or explosiveness and I think Baylor's OL will start to get exposed as they face better DLs than SFA, UTSA, and Rice. Good Lord, Baylor's schedule has been an absolute joke so far. aggy's even jealous of their OOC scheduling.
From a UT standpoint, ISU and Baylor don't pose too many problems for us stylistically. Now that Holgo and Kliff are gone, not many teams left do, besides OU of course. I actually think KSU could be a real challenge for us. They have a pretty complex run scheme, and they executed it really well against MSU. We can't play Dime against them, and it will be a constant challenge for our front 6 to stay disciplined and find their run fits. I could see KSU actually finishing top 35 with their run game and Skylar Thompson's efficiency. I'll be really interested to see how they do against OSU.
Underdogs to all three of ISU, Baylor, and TCU is hilarious.
Does anyone remember what our preseason win expectancy was? That number must've been somewhere around 7. IIRC, Bill's been under on Herman-coached teams by more than 2 wins two of the years and he was under by about .5 wins the other 2, so he's averaging about 1.5 wins under Herman's actual wins per year. This year has a good chance of increasing Connely's average miss.
6.9
It's there in the same article where he declares the SEC East as the second best division in college football partially because Tennessee is a prime second-year leap candidate.
That's #99 Tennessee, if you're curious. Also note the overall ratings system conference rankings at the bottom.
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1 minute ago, jkates said:Man, I couldn't disagree more. I would imagine that we've had multiple doormats at our house over the years. I don't know if I've ever noticed them. My wife will change them for various reasons - seasonal, holiday, dirty/worn out, and I won't notice.
Didn't she live by herself? I'd think you notice if your welcome mat kept changing when you don't have anyone living with you.
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I'm in kind of an "ends justify the means" frame of mind on this one. I do admit that it's possible that in the moment she thought it was her apartment. And that it's possible she felt like her life was in danger. And so this isn't murder, etc.
But in that case she sure as shit should not be a law enforcement officer for any agency whatsoever. Either she's guilty and deserves to be convicted or she's not guilty and should never be a cop which would only be guaranteed by a guilty verdict. So I want her convicted either way, I guess. Might not be the legally right thing to wish for, but it sure seems like the better result for society in general in this case.
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3 minutes ago, clapclapclap said:
Actually it is very believable, especially for some personality types (though those personality types should have been screened out for law enforcement jobs that require instantaneous 'Sensing' skills that Intuitives are weakest at.) Last week I tried to enter the wrong hotel room. Hit the 16th floor button, was the only one on the elevator, so when the doors opened I exited while reading my phone. Some goof must have accidentally pressed the up button on floor 14. I instinctively went to where my room would be, even after just a few days able to subconsciously recognizing my room was 3 doors from the end window. Luckily the key didn't work, and then a dog started barking inside the room (perhaps the only time I've been happy that hotel allows pets....)
But I'd like to think that if I did enter the wrong hotel room/apartment, even if dark, and a guy started heading towards me, that the first instinct would be to immediately back up into the relatively safer hallway, where people could more likely hear shouting, easier escape, etc. Especially if a smaller female. That even if I drew a gun my first reaction would be to yell commands like halt, rather than immediately firing. And again, retreating would have bought her more time to assess the situation. She seemed trigger happy.
I think this would be a slam dunk conviction if this were a manslaughter case. If there is a mistrial, I bet upping it to murder will be what made the difference.
Your example is irrelevant. You're painting a picture of a situation where it's certainly reasonable for you to think that's your room when it's not. The clearly marked floor numbers in the elevators are key to that scenario.
But the issue is that the defense already told us that you can never be sure if you're on the right floor in this complex.
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But like the Sooner said, they're trying to have it both ways. They're arguing that this apartment complex makes it nearly impossible to know what floor you're on without checking. People even park on the wrong floor all the time.
So in this world where confusion reigns and nobody is ever sure where they are, apparently when a strange person was in what she thought was her apartment in that moment she had zero doubt it was her apartment so she shot him. Not buying it. You just told me it's a confusing place where everybody knows they need to double check where they are all the time but now you're telling me she was absolutely certain of where she was. If I live in a confusing apartment complex where people are always on the wrong floor then any reasonable person double checks the floor when they get to the first apartment from the parking garage.
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34 minutes ago, bigup2dahorns said:
I would like to see pictures or video of the hallway. Defense claiming that the apartment numbers are high up and Guyger being 5’3” didn’t or wouldn’t easily notice them.
30 minutes ago, TXSooner518 said:
Me too. But even if you have to look up, if those are the only possible way to know what floor you were on, wouldn’t any reasonable person do that?

Completely absurd to say a 5'3" person can't easily see the apartment number on that display. The number is maybe 6' above the floor, tops.
Dallas officer kills man after mistaking apartment for her own, police say
in Daily Texan
Looks like the guy he killed was driving drunk. Obviously he still should have suffered legal consequences for being involved in an accident going 84 in a 40, but I can't imagine that grand juries are going to indict a trooper for getting in an accident with a drunk driver very often. They probably should have in his case but it's obviously not surprising that they didn't.