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Come on man. Not liking or wanting to be at a gangster rap concert doesn’t make you a racist. Start a thread about it in the cloak room if you want to talk about that shit.

You do understand that by contract self IS REQUIRED to wear Adidas gear in any setting where he has to wear KU gear right? That’s regardless of allegations or not. aside from that, word is, nobody is happy with the show snoop put on. Apparently Jeff long thought “live dancers” meant a dance crew and not strippers. Cash guns were not discussed but regardless of a subliminal message about paying players, rappers often have cash guns and strippers as part of their entertainment. It was equally likely that even without sanctions there would have been cash guns st a snoop show. That being said, apparently adidas also sponsors snoop and that’s how he was booked. In partnership with adidas. We probably should have secured our own entertainer rather than work through adidas. Especially if it was going to be controversial in hindsight.

Amateur sports are very viable for amateurs with little to no aspiration to be professionals. The feeder process is the problem. Let everyone declare for the draft. Who cares. If you accept a scholarship then it should have some sort of time commitment longer than a year. The people who want to see top talent can watch the nba. People who want to cheer on their school can watch college ball. Letting athletes find their monetary value will allow the market to get to equilibrium very quickly. A blue blood basketball school isn’t going to pay a kid more than what the nba will. If they do then maybe the ncaa will steal talent from the nba making it an actual competitor of the league. If that were to happen then the tv dollars would follow and no one would be complaining.

Dawkins gets 1 year in prison. So if you’re counting, coaches and players get their entire careers ruined. The longest sentence for the people at the heart of the actual criminal activity get a year or less in prison. Jarret jack gets 3 years for $300.

Don’t know if I blame the kid if he thinks he’s a pro, but this is one of those moves that either works great or ends his career because he doesn’t catch on at the next spot. I personally don’t think he has the speed to be a pro but maybe something is there for him. I doubt this has anything to do with the coaching staff. But with a competent QB at his next stop he will look like a great back.

I think its pretty clear that the NCAA is going to keep fucking around. Did you see the ESPN article on the CA legislation? The guy from the NCAA said "we just wish the regulators would give us time to review and adapt our policies." Bitch.. you just had a commission headed by Condi that literally put out a statement saying "everyone else is the problem, we're staying the same". The NCAA has been actively fighting this problem for over 20 years and has NEVER acted to clean it up. Now that there is regulatory pressure you wish people would give you time? The NCAA is a dying entity and 2023 can't come soon enough. If Florida and North Carolina come out and make changes, which apparently they are working on legislation, then the NCAA will be dead with those deals. Can't wait.

I started really listening to the guys in the booth when Madden has passed his prime. To me, he always sounded like a guy who had too many concussions. His last 5 or so years were especially rough. That being said, I never listened to half of the guys on the list so I’m a terrible judge here. Good read though.

Who is bitching about the rules? It’s obvious that some here just want KU fans to be butthurt. You should head to the Ku message boards if you want to see that. It’s pretty obvious to me that the ones here see what is going on and are just presenting prospective defenses to the NOA. No one is saying “ but but but but...”.

Wow. Isn’t he a senior? Why not play and grad transfer??

We suck again. Hopefully we can beat KSU toward the end of the season so we have at least a tiny bit of momentum going into the offseason.

The rules of basketball either belong in a Massachusetts YMCA or in Lawrence. Duke has zero connection to them at all. I’ve never understood why dookies believe the rules should be there.

You gotta work on your reading man. I have specifically said at least twice on this thread that “everyone is doing it” is not an excuse. I don’t expect it to fly with the ncaa at all. That being said, if this goes to federal court then the ncaa might have antitrust issues if they are found to not punish schools equally for the same penalties and not investigate schools equally. That’s for a lawyer to know. I don’t think anything is going to save KU from the ncaa. Our only chance is in appeals (not ruled by the ncaa) or in real court where the ncaa doesn’t have any power.

Save the moral outrage. Everyone knows what the game is and how the game is played in college sports. I even had an assistant coach at Nevada tell me this was going on 7 years ago on a drunken flight from San Francisco to Las Vegas. He was proud of the guys he beat other schools out to get. He said it was only a matter of time until it all came crashing down. Kansas just happens to be one of the first to fall. I’m not ok with it but I’m not a naive asshole either. At the end of the day we all might get our wish of a change in the college athletics model out of this. The ncaa suspending their investigations might be directly tied to the response of “fuck you” that Ku released. They’re in for a fight and they appear to want to fight that battle one opponent at a time rather than against 6 P5 schools at once. The feigned outrage that the ncaa (and a lot of lollipop fans) have used isn’t going to cut it with this fight. And the college athlete might be the beneficiary of this situation.

As I’ve mentioned before “everyone does it” isn’t an excuse, but imagine this... the recruit that received benefits and was the reason GTech is getting assfucked is Wendell carter. The same Wendell carter that played for duke. If you fuck up the school that made the kid ineligible wouldn’t a sound mind also argue that the school who actually played the ineligible player should be punished via vacating games he appeared in? arguments like that are how the ncaa is going to be broken. Some are speculating that the zion texts from Townsend are going to get us. Wouldn’t those texts mean the ncaa has to go after duke as well? I was told by a contact of a contact that Self has a lot of evidence that he is willing to bring forth that puts a massive stain on a lot of programs should he look like he is going to be the one the ncaa comes down on. Sounds like he is ready to burn it down.

Maybe they’re so mad at Kansas that they are punishing GTech? the only thing about GTech that scares me is the Jarrett jack penalty. $300 and he gets a 3 year ban? Self didn’t directly pay anyone but the ncaa is trying to pin it all on him. If they are successful then his ban will be lifetime if you scale $300 up to $92,500.

That’s another completely indefensible position. Is the ncaa going to compel Ku to void a $200M contract? They’ll have to do that to every apparel contract or face antitrust litigation. Further, the apparel companies sponsoring the amateur circuit in high school sports means everyone who plays AAU ball has taken benefits if adidas is a booster. Even the kid that never gets recruited by a D1 school is ineligible. The NCAA is doing exactly what the NCAA does. Postures like it is going to change the system via punishment, not via infrastructure changes. That is exactly how they have kept this game going for the last 30 years when college athletics really took off from a revenue standpoint. If they change the infrastructure they don’t get to have things the way they are.

I’ve never claimed moral high ground. I’ve been around shaggy/surly long enough to know that UT is the only school in the country that can claim moral high ground. KU is just a school that got popped. The shitty thing for the ncaa is very little of the evidence is directly implicating of KU. It’s a tough position to defend and the NCAA doesn’t get to be represented in an appeal scenario. That’s where KU is going to get out of this if we do. I fully expect a penalty from the outset. It’ll be the appeal that saves us. Espn has an article about the long term consequences of adidas being named a booster. Essentially, because the apparel companies run the high school basketball farm system if you start to say Nike is a UT booster then any kid who played for a nike AAU team has taken benefits.. thinking being that if they played nike in high school and end up at a nike school then they should be ineligible. Which is basically what one of my earlier posts was about. The implications of some of the assumptions made by the NCAA are far beyond what the ncaa is willing to defend long term. Couple that with KU staunchly defending its position and the lack of directly implicating evidence and the NCAA’s position is tough to defend. Especially if it goes to court where the ncaa isn’t the prosecutor, judge, jury, and executioner.

Have you written a letter to CDC demanding UT self-report and self-sanction? If not then you probably shouldn’t preach about how you’re above shit like this.

You realize that UT was implicated in the evidence provided by the FBI right? If even one UT player took money then UT is a "Cheater" regardless of who paid the money.

It is 100% fucked. The basketball model has to change at the collegiate level. I think we all agree on that. When do you change it? Say they hammer us (they did go all the way back to 1957 to say we have a systemic problem), we lose the coach, we lost some roster spots, we miss 2 post seasons. That is going to cripple the school and for what? For a model that is going to change in 2021 with a new NBA CBA? Then all of the sudden the "everybody cheats" excuse is going to be "everything we used to do is now within the rules." Then you killed a blue blood for no reason at all. Further, there is a very big difference between "we did something" and "you can pin it on us". Ray Lewis killed a fucking guy and they couldn't pin it on him. Based on the rumored evidence the NCAA has there is no chance in hell they can pin us to the allegations they made. The key word is "Allegations". There is still a ton to play out. When the dust started to settle at Louisville, even Pitino had a good enough case to go after UL for being fired. They settled, but it wasn't a clear cut "for cause" firing like everyone thought it would be. I won't use "everyone does it" as an excuse, but there is definitely going to be some aspects of that mindset in the consequences for us. Apparently, KU has evidence that the NCAA doesn't utilize equal enforcement and we are willing to let that see the light of day which is a threat to the entire system. It isn't just KU paying players, and by the rules any player who is even solicited money is ineligible. Think of all of the players in the last 5 years that we might have even made an offer to. All of those guys could be retroactively ineligible and banners at Villanova could be coming down for busting us. It is a very rocky time for all of CBB right now. It'll be interesting to see this play out.

This. We haven't seen any of the support documents. The rumors are that the NCAA uncovered nothing that was not submitted as evidence to the FBI trial. If that is true then it might be hard to make this stick. If that is true then I fundamentally disagree with Wolken's tweet about the "why" of why NCAA directing this at self. The NCAA is directing it at self because that is their new enforcement procedure. If they uncovered nothing but the evidence presented then they have multiple testimonies that specifically say that KU coaches didn't know about the payments. That was sworn testimony in court and other than one text of "we need to get players", there is a lot of plausible deniability in that. Once again, of course we knew. No doubt in my mind. But I don't think the NCAA is saying "BILL SELF KNEW AND ENCOURAGED!" They're saying, "The head man is going to be on the chopping block from now on."

What do you want me to say? If Herman won you a championship and then was going to be brought down by two players and a shoe rep what would you say? Especially if the issue would turn you into a middling team for 10 years? I’d rather become the evil team than become smu. Just the way it is.

did she ever see Roman's penis?

what in the fuck

They have to add the football to stick lack of institutional control on us. We might get the benefit of not having to pay beaty because of it. That being said we self reported these violations. I would rather pay the man his money than have harsher penalties than those coming.