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They aren’t doing for Trump. They are doing it to grab up as much of his cult as they can before the moment fades. They are trying to be viewed as the segment of the GOP that fought to the death for their king.

Just in PA alone would have taken the coordination to push 50 of 67 counties (many GOP controlled) in the state 2-5% towards Biden while shifting Philly 3% towards Trump for believability I guess?

Im not willing to rule out NC 100%. They still have over 100,000 mail in ballots to count. I think he still wins the state, but I don’t think it’s out of the realm of possibility

To clarify the PA late arriving ballots that the Supreme Court was involved with for anyone that doesn’t yet understand how stupid this fight is. PA voting law said that ballots not received by Election Day would not count. The PA Democratic Party filed a lawsuit to get that extended due to covid and the unusually high number of mail in ballots delaying the delivery of those ballots. The PA Supreme Court, citing some voting rights provision in the PA constitution, extended the deadline for ballots arriving 3 days after the election could be counted. The GOP appealed to SCOTUS who in a 4-4 decision, chose to not hear the case. The PA sos sent guidance to each of the counties’ elections office that they were to segregate those ballots and not include them in the count. All available evidence indicated that the counties were doing just that. The GOP filed an injunction request to the SCOTUS on Thursday naming 25 counties that they did not have direct confirmation from that these ballots had been segregated. Justice Alito issued an order that the ballots should be segregated, but never stated if these ballots should or should not be counted. From what I’ve heard is that after all of the other ballots are counted the counties were advised to tally the late arriving ballots but not include that number in the totals. The Friday injunction is useless bullshit because: 1. The ballots were already being segregated, and by Saturday afternoon 63 of 67 counties had explicitly confirmed that the ballots were segregated. 2. These ballots would favor Biden at a roughly 75/25 split statewide. 3. Joe Biden is already winning the state. I think the Trump team’s strategy was to invalidate a portion of the mail in ballots counted in philly during the period where they claim their poll watchers weren’t given appropriate access. And then hope that amount pushes Trump back ahead and then have the late arriving mail in ballots disallowed so that those are unable to make up any lead Trump may gain. And/or find some small backwoods GOP county that “accidentally” counted the late arriving ballots with the rest of the ballots, and then try to get the whole state’s mail in ballots invalidated. I’m pretty sure the lawsuit over the poll watchers has already been shot down. since Joe Biden is ahead, the late arriving ballots are meaningless. I don’t see any reason whatsoever that any of the PA lawsuits will have any effect on the election and I think the only reason the media is talking about it is because there being a Supreme Court non-decision related to it seems to give the issue some level of merit that it doesn’t deserve.

I think it’s generational but there’s two other demographics that are shifting strongly democratic and pushing the party: college and post grad education and non religious. So you have a younger, more educated party that isn’t constrained by religious dogma and they’re looking at things pragmatically and saying boy it sure seems like it makes a lot more sense to build a society from the bottom up that includes everyone and has its eyes on the future. I think some of that youthful exuberance comes with a bit of “fuck your we’re moving this country forward with or without you” and it leads to political missteps like embracing the term defund the police. That being the banner for police reform allowed Trump to scare a lot of people that were too stupid to see through it for what it was. Maybe it led to increased turnout in the base, but all of the data that I’ve seen seem to say that a lot of the country said “we don’t want Donald trump, but we’re scared of the caricature the left is allowing itself to be painted as.

+1500...

Look, I know you get off on being an ass, and I was hesitant to even bother responding to you because I was nearly certain my point would fall on deaf ears, but I decided to give it a go anyway for some reason. If AOC just wants to keep winning NY-14, then cool she can keep doing what she’s doing. But she talks like she wants to move the country. If anyone on the left front of the Democratic Party wants to get anything of substance accomplished they need to figure out that they need the middle. They need votes. That’s the only thing that will get their ideas enacted. But maybe they don’t actually give a single fuck about things like massive green infrastructure projects backed by a federal jobs program or a minimum wage that people can live on. Maybe they’re just as happy winning their royal blue districts as the scum that occupy the crimson house seats.

Lamb is the PA 17th district, where I live. It’s half of Allegheny County without downtown Pittsburgh and the whole next county over. He has a county that Biden won by 20 and a county that Trump won by 18. Registered Democrats outnumber registered republicans 2 to 1 in BOTH counties. His district shifted 3 points blue in the presidential race while shifting 5 points red in the house race. He was the incumbent and his opponent basically just ran on Trumpism. Fighting the radical left, reopening the economy, supporting the police, supporting fracking, etc. He’s 36. He won 2 house elections in 2018 in two different districts. The special election for PA 18 and then after the district lines were redrawn he won his current district. He’s probably going to run for Pat Toomey’s senate seat in 2022. He knows that while the AOCs of the party want to drag the nation forward-left as fast as possible kicking and screaming, there are a massive amount of people that are open to heading in that direction at a slower pace and without embracing things like defund the police and “socialism”. The vast majority of those people would completely get behind issues like police reform and progressive ideas, but not when the banner carriers are calling them defund the police and socialism. It seems to me that Lamb understands a democratic part of the country that AOC either thinks she doesn’t need, or will see things her way eventually no matter what. AOC wants what’s best for the whole country, but she can’t do it without a majority of the country. Her ideas are good, and her passion is well placed, but she has to see that she needs the middle to come with her. And right or wrong, how her ideas are branded will make a massive difference in how much she’s able to accomplish.

Is this actually the point of all the frivolous lawsuits? Just to get one last round of grift out of the rubes. Drag the fight out as long as possible for the magas to reach into their wallets for the last of their change so dear leader has a fighting chance against the evil that is going to destroy this country.

Texas shift by county.

I don’t get how they expect to sell that massive voter fraud in Philly swung the election. Trump did better in philly than he did in 2016 and Biden did worse than Hillary there. Philly county shifted 3 points TO Trump. The suburbs around philly and Pittsburgh shifted away from Trump. Blue collar Erie flipped back to Biden. Upper middle class Bucks county flipped back to Biden. In a lot of the really Trumpy counties in the middle of the state, counties that trump won by 30 points, counties that are controlled by GOP officials shifted 2-5 points to Biden.

Just got the notice that my phone usage was up 59% last week. Almost entirely in this thread.

These fucking asshats on Fox are really hanging their hats on these late arriving ballots in PA completely invalidating the election. Their whole premise is “we don’t know how many there are and if they counted them or not.” It’s not “they counted these these ballots” it’s “we don’t know what happened so the whole thing is fraudulent.” I wouldn’t be shocked at this point if some of the GOP counties “accidentally” released these ballots into the pool to try to invalidate the mail in ballots. But we know that in most, if not all, counties the ballots were separated and shrink wrapped to avoid any mistakes.

I have 1.3 bottles left and it’s going to be hard to open that last bottle after having what felt like an endless supply.

I'd like to hear more about this mythical land where Blanton's is "reasonably available" Up until about 2 years ago I could walk into my local liquor store and grab a bottle off the shelf at any time. After that it started getting more and more rare. By a year ago it was hard to get. For Xmas my wife happened to somehow luck onto the PA liquor website and they had a bunch for sale with a 3 bottle limit. She got me 3 for Xmas. You had to have it shipped to a liquor store. A week after she got those bottles she got a call from the liquor store that her 3 bottles had arrived. So for Xmas last year I got 6 bottles of blantons. thats reasonably available.

Makes sense. I can’t imagine why any republican that doesn’t need to be elected by, or is directly profiting off of the Trumper base wouldn’t hate how he grabbed the GOP by the pussy.

Seriously, the first person on Fox News to talk about the speech was Karl Rove and he had nothing but good things to say about it. Said it was perfectly Biden and exactly what both sides of the nation needed to hear.

If I’m still alive in 50 years that will still be my favorite image of Trump’s presidency. A man so incapable of admitting that he has ever been wrong about anything in his life that, instead of admitting that he misspoke based on outdated information, he drew in his favorite fucking sharpie on a map that he expected ANYONE to believe that he was actually right all along. Holy fuck, what a clown.

That speech was so fucking good that even Karl Rove said it was a great speech.

This is probably better suited for the bourbon thread but I don’t think I’ve ever jumped from a glass of blantons straight into a glass of stagg. Blanton'sis my go to bourbon, my favorite reasonably available bourbon. Going from that right into the stagg really smacks you in the face with how huge the stagg really is.

Well I can’t think of a better time to kill the last of this stagg than for Joe. Well done everyone. Even though you guys kinda dropped the ball in Texas.

God damn everyone breaking out the good stuff for Joe.

That’s a fucking top shelf indeed. Birthday bourbon and weller are both on my list if unicorns.

Damn you for having the blantons, Elmer t lee, and rock hill farms all lined up like that. But I can cheers to that.

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