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So he was deliberately targeting the dancing grannies?

But that’s our point, the definition of terrorism isn’t just causing fear. The pursuit of political aims is a key part of the terrorism definition.

You put a lot more thought into politics than I ever did early on. I was a single issue voter (military) and considered myself a fiscal conservative. I never aligned with the social pillars of the party and that’s probably why it was easier for me to shift away once the Obama election started exposing the polite racist side of the party that had been hiding in the shadows up until that point. What really opened my eyes to how much I opposed the party was working beside a born again Christian during the Obama years. I’m talking Glenn Beck socialism is everywhere kind of conservative. That’s the first time I was called a RINO and it had the opposite effect that was probably intended. So many dumb fucking arguments about common core being the vehicle big gov’t was using to socialism all the kids, and it’s clearly the start of taking guns and religion bro. It’s all so exhausting and I’m amazed it has only gotten worse since 2008. Grievance politics works.

My guess is it’s a want to both sides everything, but going any further gets cloaky.

I missed the part where anyone compared them I guess, and I’ve never tried to tag KR as a domestic terrorist. Still waiting on any of you to address why Brooks chose to skip blocks of people to hit before slowing down behind the band and ultimately running people over. Why didn’t he bumper car down the entire length of the parade route? Has anyone said he was yelling Black Lives Matter, kill whitey, etc while he was driving through people? Did he mention any grievances or political reasons after he did the killing? You know, things terrorists do? If/when the police give us any of those kinds of things, I’m certainly willing to change my mind. Right now I’ll stick to what my eyes tell me.

I never said it wasn’t intentional, He clearly made the choice to run people over. None of you seem to be willing to address all the people he skipped before ultimately hitting people. I’ll link notable liberal rag the daily mail since they aren’t paywalling the timeline. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10230313/Waukesha-Christmas-parade-horror-Timeline-carnage-unfolded.html Look at their first video link. As soon as he got on the parade route cops were chasing him on foot. He drives past a ton of people because he has an entire lane open to run down. Second video is the dancing girl. Again, look at all the people he doesn’t hit up to this point. You can see an entire marching band in the background of the little girl that he avoided. Third video is no longer fully available, but showed the moment he no longer has an open lane on the right, so he weaves all the way to the left and slows down trying to find an opening before deciding to plow through the band. Again, if this was terrorism, he sucks at it, because he chose to avoid a lot of people up to this point, and even when he was boxed in, chose to run over less people. And after thinking about it, my guess on why he never took a side street once he was in the parade route is because those entrances were likely covered in people. Why would a parade route keep side streets open? All he likely saw were guardrails made of people once he was in the parade route. My best guess is this dude took a hell of a wrong turn fleeing the scene of a crime, and wound up in a box canyon made of people. When he ran out of free space he chose to make his own. He’s still a piece of shit and none of that excuses his actions. He will be guilty of multiple counts of murder.

this is from the video in post 8 IIRC that is no longer up. This is before he hit his first victim, and after he drove past another entire marching band. He weaved left and slowed down before ultimately committing to driving through. Simple question, looking at that picture, where are you going to inflict more damage, running through the band that is spaced 6-10 feet apart or through the more densely packed people lining the sides? He had a choice here, look at where the bumper is facing. He chose to pull it back to the right and go through the band. Still a tremendous piece of shit, but it doesn’t square with your terrorist narrative. There are other videos and pics showing him pass up blocks of people set up like this. If he’s a terrorist thankfully he’s a really shitty one.

He hit the entire way? Did you go back and look at posts 1 and 6? No trusted media or law enforcement there, just people recording with their cell phones while an SUV flew by not hitting people. You have sources on the several blocks of people being hit? I watched the video MNLonghorn posted that has apparently been taken down where he got boxed in behind the second band (OP shows him driving past a band without hitting anyone), slowed down, swerved to the left before ultimately plowing over the guy carrying a bass drum and continuing through the dance group in front of the band. Again, no media narratives there, this was real time cell phone dumps on Twitter. I’m open to changing my mind if I see more evidence of him killing as many people as possible but to date I’ve seen one video where he actually hit people, and the deceleration and weaving beforehand seemed reluctant. There is a bunch of footage where the sidewalks are completely lined with people that he drove past without touching anyone. If/when the police or trial releases more info that shows what you’re saying, I’ll adjust from there.

I’m saying it’s hard to align this as a terrorist attacking when he passed up a lot of people. He could have clipped that little girl with his bumper with a nudge of the steering wheel and wouldn’t have lost an ounce of speed. Him not being chased by the police doesn’t mean he wasn’t running. People do stupid shit when they panic. Knowing you’ll try to twist that, again, that doesn’t excuse his actions or lessen his guilt in any way. This wasn’t an accident in any sense. He’s responsible for turning down that street just like a drunk is responsible for what happens when he gets behind the wheel drunk. There’s a large leap from a guy committing a crime, knows with his record he will be fucked if caught so he ran with the expectation of police involvement to terrorism. The Waukesha police don’t strike me as a group that would have some liberal agenda to protect this guy. If they aren’t barking up the terrorist tree, I’m pretty sure there’s a reason.

Any reason he skipped a large chunk of the parade and slowed down behind the band before ultimately plowing through them if this was a terrorist attack? Were the cheerleaders and kids he skipped not worth as many terrorist points or something? edit: go look at posts 1 and 6 in this thread. I think MNLonghorn’s post #8 had the video where he slowed and swerved behind the band before committing to going through them when he no longer had a lane to drive through without people in it. None of this discounts him being a giant piece of shit and deserving to fry, but if this was a guy out to kill whitey he left a lot of points on the board.

The flip method actually works pretty well. It would have been perfect if I didn’t tuck some butter between the skin and the breast. That created some hot spots and the skin got darker there then the rest of the bird. Pretty sure I would have been able to skip tenting the breast if it wasn’t for that. I also smoked a breast using Franklin’s method and some legs as well.

I’m trying a new method this year, cooking halfway breast side down and then flipping. Supposed to keep the breasts a little more moist and prevent having to tent them.

Shouldn’t some of you motherfuckers be attending to a turkey or something? Take a break and drink some egg nog, fuck.

Florida climbs back from a 10 point deficit and beats the Buckeyes at the buzzer. Great game, both teams played their asses off.

It would be a great fit. He needs to polish things and ten Hag is right guy to help with that.

Yea, that’s the least surprising part of all of this. Without the video it’s the word of a dead black kid versus 3 white guys, including an ex cop. edit: Bryan better watch his back around the McMichaels, he is the reason any of this sees a day in court. At this point what’s another murder going to cost Travis?

I wish some we had some USMNT prospects going to play for Ajax. They play such good soccer, just solid fundamentals tactically and technically. Ten Hag was my first choice to replace Flick at Bayern.

Yes, if Ahmad had been carrying so much as a pocket knife Travis probably would have walked.

Well, I think lockdown means a little more over there because they actually enforce things. Just like vaccine and mask mandates mean more because they have teeth. They have cops doing random checks in restaurants enforcing 2G, they aren’t relying on an honor system with people taking advantage of it. Lockdowns are definitely heavy handed, but if it’s actually done (not like ours, actually shutting shit down and having people avoid each other), it will blunt spread. You can’t spread if people aren’t in contact with each other.

Yea, she might have been confusing a statewide lockdown with country wide. I know Bavaria is shut down. I also think she might be picking up some forecasting from the news since the new gov’t coalition has formed. Im hoping it works out for you, but the numbers are still getting worse.

She’s near Bamberg, but she said they shut down all Christmas markets, country wide. Lots of people are losing their ass because they missed last year and many bought extra stuff this year trying to make up the gap and now they can’t sell it. They are about to go into a full lockdown and possibly mandate vaccines country wide like Austria.

Talked to my mom this morning, she said they are shutting everything down. No Christmas markets anywhere. Sorry man.

My 65 year old mother was accused of assault by my POS dad during their divorce a little over a year ago. He tried barging in her room at 11 o’clock at night while drunk off his ass and she held the door trying to keep him out. Because he’s on blood thinners he cut his elbow on the door handle while trying to shoulder the door she was holding. Blood on the outside of the door. Cut on his elbow and bruising on his forearms. He called the cops and claimed assault. She admitted to pushing him out of the room after he shouldered the door partially open. Even though she recorded the entire thing on audio the cops decided to arrest her because someone has to go in and she wasn’t the one bleeding. This was in a Friday night. She sat in jail (during covid, in a cell with 3 other people without masks) until Sunday morning and had to post a $5k bond to get out. The entire police responding to DV is bullshit and worth its own thread, but if it was any worse I would probably be in prison if I found out my mom couldn’t get out of jail until trial, which took almost a year to hold. Or if she had to post some ridiculous bond and was left destitute all to try to find some way to keep dumb fucks like the Waukesha guy off the street. If you tie a judges hands with larger bail minimums, innocent people will get fucked. Put more teeth in criminal trespass or something else.

Because he’s smart enough to know that’s outright murder? I honestly don’t know that KR went there with the intent to shoot anyone. I can’t credit him that level of serial killer forethought. His video is probably posturing, like a lot of shit people post to social media. I do think he enjoyed the gun posturing and warrior cosplay culture and became the proverbial dog that caught the car. I hope that he has PTSD about it, because the alternative is he’s a fucking psycopath. Rosenbaum was an idiot and FAFO, no question. I have a similar question about him. Why didn’t he attack any of the other guys walking around with ARs when he had ample opportunity to do so? What triggered him to go after KR specifically? Is it as simple as KR looking like a toddler with a gun and he thought he could take the gun without KR doing shit about it? Was there more interaction between the two that didn’t get recorded? Was he just that fucking crazy? Charging someone with a rifle isn’t a casual decision. I doubt that was the first time that Rosenbaum’s vandalism was thwarted that evening, so I find it odd that KR putting out a fire was what made him to decide to attack.