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Need to know is a rule within the classification domain, of which the CINC is all powerful, so I’m not sure it would cause him any issues legally. My concern is there isn’t fully codified rules for classification/declassification at the presidents level, because the constitution expects that person to act in the country’s best interests. Because there is a gray area SCOTUS can play the “not spelled out in the constitution, congress should do something about that” card and dotard walks.

I’m thinking he kept some PDBs that had either nuclear asset postures or something similar for a potential event like China invading Taiwan, or Russia invading Crimea/Ukraine. I doubt he pulled nuclear weapon plans or anything of the like because that would have raised red flags when it happened because 1) those documents don’t reside in the WH, 2) there would be a paper trail for the request, courier, logging out of one SCIF into another for storage, etc, and 3) the pentagon/archives would have definitely noticed that they weren’t returned at the end of his tenure. it doesn’t make it any better, our most dangerous secrets are generally pretty benign looking stuff. Asset postures give adversaries a peak into how we would prosecute a major shooting war. I’m sure his PDBs contain lots of vulnerability assessments for things like our energy grid, cyber, troop readiness during Covid, nuclear weapon and fleet assessments, etc that would provide avenues to exploit. My best guess is a USSS agent saw Trump showing off something like a PDB to donors/hangers on that contained sensitive material and blew the whistle. The ugly part is that if it’s truly sensitive the gov’t won’t be able to really talk about it because “we cant confirm or deny” is the only valid response you can use to anyone that doesn’t have the clearance and need to know about the info, so he can exploit that soft language. There will be committees in congress that will be able to get the truth, and I fully expect the Rs on those committees to use similar dodgy language or just outright lie to prove cover for that orange fuck.

His lawyer pushed that yesterday basically. If he has the docs they can’t be classified because he can unilaterally declassify them by thought alone, there is no “ceremony” (her words) necessary for him to follow. If he looks at them and says they aren’t classified, that’s it. It’s absurd, but with this SCOTUS, it will probably work.

Yea, I speculated that earlier in the thread. One of the good agents that was furious about the agencies actions during and after 1/6 that is self cleansing.

The morning crew at FN just floated they have a source saying the FBI source is USSS.

Curious why people think that would work, guess I’ll be googling and getting on the FBI’s radar tonight.

I really hope he comes up and makes a statement about the Iran assassination shit and then walks off. People will lose their fucking minds.

Classified items require a hell of a lot more than a hasp and padlock. Even beyond the physical security, there are guard requirements, access and security logs, etc. I think the request for camera access within MAL is the real key here. If trump land didn’t give them that, or if they did and the feds saw people going in and out of that area, I’m sure that’s what triggered this. It was bad enough that this material was unsecured in MAL in the first place. If the feds couldn’t verify it was remaining semi-secure and trumpland was taking that security seriously, I think that’s when the gig was up. They were given an inch and tried to take a mile, since that was standard protocol while they were in charge.

The inventory would probably reference document numbers and not the document names or material. They couldn’t create the warrant that could be left with someone without a clearance otherwise.

Correct, access to classified data requires the appropriate clearance level and need to know for the material. You don’t get a TS clearance and get to walk into the pentagon and start digging through files.

Yes, the 14th amendment provides the mechanism, which would have to run through congress. I was specifically referring to him not running for office as part of a plea deal though.

I’m also wondering if this is the establishment Rs heading off the inevitable Desantis Trump poo flinging in public if they both run. Charge Trump, settle for no prison time but removing his ability to run for office, all the shitheads win. It gives the orange fuck an off ramp where he doesn’t run because deep state but keeps the base spooled up.

There would need to be a paper trail showing those documents were declassified, otherwise no one could know that it was downgraded. You can’t just stamp over the secret marking and call it good. Another complication is you can have have classification by compilation, so even unclassified information can become classified if it’s put together with other specific unclassified information. That’s why it’s best to leave all this shit in secure storage so you don’t have to sweat it. Putting it in banker boxes, shipping it in a uhaul, and storing it in a basement just opens you up to all kinds of problems.

I’m sure there is potential legal jumbo jumbo that could muddy the waters wrt a president and handling of classified data. It’s another one of things never fully codified because the expectation is we would never elect someone that would push the issue. I do know on its face, that a private residence is never, ever allowed to house or store classified data. You would think MAL went through some modifications during his presidency to satisfy some of those requirements so he could operate while on site, but it doesn’t sound permanent with the disclosure about adding a hasp and padlock to a basement door. That’s nowhere near good enough even for the lowest level of classification. Top level stuff requires a SCIF, period. Those have their own manual wrt construction and materials. There are also guard requirements, forms, alarms, etc that are all required for even the lower level stuff. I doubt they were meeting those so again, on its face, this should be pretty simple to prove against anyone that isn’t a president.

What are the chances someone in the USSS was disgusted by the missing texts and top cover for Trump and decided to expose shit at MAL in an effort to clean their own house?

Barr right now.

This is amazing.

Member during impeachment #1 we learned that Trump would move transcripts of calls to a classified system to keep them from being reviewed/handled by anyone outside the inner circle? My guess is he did that for more than just phone calls, and at the end of his term he panicked on what to do with all this perfect stuff he classified that Biden would be able to review and declassify, so he took the shit with him.

This was the medical records comment I didn’t fully catch in real time. So this specifically seems bad for Reynal, not so much Jones?

Which is more common? I’m sure the judge would like a piece of his ass for all the shit he’s caused her, but she is probably also leery of anything appearing personal based on the liability judgement? Is perjury one of those “juice isn’t worth the squeeze” court things where prosecutors/courts are loath to waste resources on?

So what happens with the perjury stuff? Does the judge wait until after the trial is done to level any punishment for that? Does that require some separate hearing(s)?

Is bringing up a generational argument about how long it would take to make money a good choice when discussing a dead child and the severing of infinite generations?

He said something about a bunch of medical records being in there, but I didn’t catch who they were for.

I’ll admit the pivot attempt by Jones was admirable. When told his lawyer fucked up and gave him his entire phone Jones tried to insinuate that it was intentional. “You asked for this stuff and now you have it.”

I’ll admit the pivot attempt by Jones was admirable. When told his lawyer fucked up and gave him his entire phone Jones tried to insinuate that it was intentional. “You asked for this stuff and now you have it.”