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  1. 2 hours ago, workswithseed said:

    I hate that you'll just give up when the government comes at your door to take you, and your loved ones away, since it's so futile.

    Wait, the justification is actually this? 

    So that you can suicide by Fed and maybe kill a couple of them before they kidnap your family?

    That's what all the litigation and "hold our nose votes" is for?

  2. 18 minutes ago, Michael Knight said:

    Trump is gonna tweet some nasty shit to Chris Wallace

     

     

    I half expected Chanel Rion to jump out of the bushes and ask Donald why liberals want everyone to take air showers.

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  3. 31 minutes ago, workswithseed said:

     

    Are y'all not going to buy guns to protect yourselves from this?

    Why would we do that? It's your side that jerks off to the idea of gun battles with the Feds. Most sane people see the futility in that?

    You do too, right?

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  4. 2 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

    Things like universal childcare, student loans debt forgiveness, public college, nationwide public option high speed internet.  

    "This is indistguishable from Mao's cultural revolution."

    - smart people everywhere

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  5. Serious question:

    Can someone explain the thinking I saw up-thread regarding why it makes sense to open school for elementary and pre-k kids, but not middle and high school?

    I get the obvious "young kids fare much better" argument, but what else am I missing?

    We have a 4 year old, currently slated to return to pre-school on September 1. Over the last 2 weeks, I've soured quite a bit on her returning, but also don't see us keeping her at home until a vaccine or we get this under control.

  6. 1 minute ago, aggie08 said:

    C'mon man, you know there's more nuance to most situations than that. Most of BabaYaga's posts on this board I vehemently disagree with, but there's nothing wrong with pointing out that initiating a confrontation with a complete stranger (even if you're 100% in the right and have justification to do so) is inherently more risky than minding your business. It doesn't mean that what happens next is your fault, but there are potential negative outcomes.

     

    Edit: I'll move on. @Wally Fairway articulated what I was trying to say. Yes, there's nuance. I reacted a certain way because I perceived blame being shifted on the victim for requesting someone wear a mask. I don't see that as "initiating a confrontation."

    I would agree with @BabaYaga that without knowing more about how it went down, we're all just speculating on the level of risk inherent in making that request.

     

     

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  7. 2 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

    Just stop.  This isn't the fucking cloak room where you can spin your yarn of false equivalencies and straw-men arguments without push-back.  For the fourth fucking time.  You were not there.  Neither were we, but it seems a good example of where interjecting yourself into the lives of others includes a substantial amount of risk.

    So you disagree that the statement "he got stabbed because he interjected himself in other's business" is not blame shifting? 

    Yes or no.

     

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  8. 3 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

    Oh, people you know......How noble.  Now, go find a random gas station and get to preaching.  Tell us where so we can video and have an ambulance on standby when you pop off to the wrong person.  

     

    It's not blame - it's a lesson in reality that if you chose to interject yourself into the lives of others, you run the very real risk of escalation and confrontation.  There's a chance this guy said in the most polite way possible to "please wear a mask".....there is a greater possibility he was blunt about it, the guy with the knife popped off back, and it escalated.  Hence the outcome.  

    Life lesson in "just because you can do a thing, doesn't mean it's wise to do so"

    She got raped because of the way she was acting.

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  9. 8 minutes ago, Hate said:

    Like everyone has said, nobody has said the attacker would be justified. Are you intentionally not reading those parts? It’s not justification for an attack to explain the risks you face when you approach a total stranger and tell them what they should or should not be doing.

    The person I responded to said the following:

    "He didn't get stabbed over "a mask"...he got stabbed because he interjected himself into someone else's business."

    I read that as shifting blame to the victim.

    You're free to disagree on that point.

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  10. Just now, Hate said:


    Telling professionals you regularly work with is vastly different than confronting some random stranger in the parking lot of a coven hence store. The actions of the knife wielder are in no way justified and nobody here is saying that they were. But old dude wouldn’t have gotten stabbed if he had just gone about his business and the knife guy might still be alive.

    I'm telling members of the public. People I don't know. Because I interact with them. But should I be attacked for doing so, I'm glad to see there will be a healthy debate as to who's at fault.

  11. 28 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

    Find another way to save the world.  This isn't the internet.  Or from the safety of your car.  You get face to face with a complete stranger...they get a say in how things go that are outside your control.  Maybe just let it be and go about your business.  You never know, as stated, if this person is at their wit's end.  My guess is this probably escalated as more words were spoken, then it spiraled up.  Just let it go people.  

    I tell people at work to put their mask on all the time. I've already lost one friend and colleague. Not trying to save the world, just ones close to me.

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  12. 4 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

    Shit, for the first time in god knows how long, I don't even HAVE a valid passport.  I was literally prepping it to send in for renewal in March....when the passport office shut down.  My passport expired in June.  No idea when/how I'll be able to get it renewed.  I can apparently send it in now to be done, but who knows how long it will take to process, as operations are scaled WAY back.

    In almost every possible way, this country is a failed state.  Just chew on that.  On the most basic level, compared with every other nation in the world not named "North Korea," we fail: our citizens are dying in droves, many of those who survive will be bankrupted by medical debt, we can't take the most basic of public health measures which are necessary to getting back to some reasonable level of economic activity, armed gangs (the police) hold our cities hostage (fund us and support us, or we won't protect you), our citizens are pariahs who can't even travel outside our borders in many cases (and becoming even less so as you can't get a passport -- a basic gov't function in a functioning state), we're descending into nativist fascism, all while our executive fiddles through the flames, worshipped and adored and sucked off by the very people who are charged with holding him accountable.

    The USA in 2020 is a failed state.  Fucking pathetic.

    Unlike Brisket, I retain some optimism here and there. 

    That said, yes, the US is a failed state.

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  13. 6 minutes ago, GRHorn said:

    Which part is not supported by science? The no masks at school or attending in person at all?

    I linked a joint study above by the Swedish and Finnish Public Health Agencies that suggest there’s not necessarily any improvement with keeping primary schools closed, according to a couple benchmarks. 

    They specifically reference mask wearing as having no scientific basis.

  14. Take a look at this. Neighboring counties adopting wholly opposite positions vis-a-vis opening schools.

    Los Angeles County - Schools closed. Remote learning only.

    Orange County - LOL. Schools Open. No distancing. No masks (not supported by science.)

    Politics, man.

  15. 1 hour ago, babysdaddy said:

    They are.  Should I ignore the known long term complications of my kids mental health?  Falling behind? Or should I only focus on a potential unknown? I've known 3 kids (15 months to 8 years) that had it and they had fevers for a day. Bottom line is this is a personal preference and people weigh risks differently.  

    I know. I was kinda just fucking with you. Upthread I noted that I am dealing with the same tough decision. It sucks

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  16. 4 minutes ago, babysdaddy said:

    starts at 13 min.  Pediatricians discussing risk and if they would recommend kids in school, which they do.  Our kids are young and we aren't around any immunocompromised folks so we can't wait for them to start.  And the risk for kids dying from this is so remote it is not a rationale concern

    Right, ignoring the unknown long-term complications, are the students not being taught by adults at your school?

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  17. 13 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

    I don't have kids, so I don't know what the pulse is among other parents, but is anyone actually wanting to send their kids back to school right now?

    We are. My child has not interacted with another child since early March. She watches a lot of TV while her mom tries to work from home and I go to work as an essential worker. I don't like that we are considering it, but is the alternative to keep her secluded until 2021 or 2022? I honestly don't know and we go back-and-forth on an almost daily basis. It really sucks that we are having to make this decision.

  18. 6 hours ago, TheFlyingBoat said:

    No clue who this twitter guy is, but I do know anyone who believed this to be true for a second is a complete moron.

     

    California over the past five years has never had more suicides than 4500 with the range being between roughly 4000 on the low end and 4500 on the high end. If you believe that California somehow had roughly double the normal suicides in the two months between when lockdowns began (mid March) and when the article was written (mid May) as happen in a whole year, you're a special breed of moron.

    That is true of the writer of this article.

    That is true of the person who shared the article on Twitter (if you listen to someone this non-credible (based mostly on sharing this article unironically) I also have to question your intelligence for that alone).

    And that is true for you because you unironically shared the article here as though this was some brilliant own of epidemiologists and proof that morons on Facebook that believe in chemtrails and try to sell us on MLM shit (that we haven't unfriended for some reason) are the true geniuses. 

    Nah, give me the epidemiologists over Randy from Vector and Karen from Mary Kay who both failed regular Biology and Chemistry and shitty articles from the Washington Examiner.

     

    Tl;dr: You're a moron, this twitter dude is a moron, the writer is a moron, anyone else who believed it is a moron, and people really need to pay attention in Bio/Chem more or at the very least trust the people that did.

    You're right, but also this article was debunked when it was first published. In May.

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