pigmeat markham

Well, after 5 years and a 16-29 conference record as well as a 30-33 overall, I don't think requiring a winning record to stay around is unreasonable. I mean the guy has won 6 conference games in the last two years combined. Thank goodness for Kansas.

Hard to say exactly. Six wins enabled him to keep his job last year. Hocutt seems to have great manlove for him. Surely, if he doesn't have a winning record though.....

Of course you make a very good point, but I'd also suppose you'd agree there is certainly a need for a head coach to have some degree of interpersonal skills in dealing with the media, alums, donors, players, people/staff management, etc.

Fwiw, and I don't know this from personal experience, but have heard directly from someone who would know, that Gibbs, while being a really good coach, sorely lacks some of the intangibles along the lines of finesse and tact much needed by a head coach. Maybe that's what TT needs though, who knows?

Perhaps the most dominant DT I ever saw play. Blue chip and Parade All-American, he started all 4 years at Tech and was the first DT taken in the 83 NFL draft. Taken by the Steelers in the first round as the heir to Mean Joe Greene. To this day people still talk about him running down that RB for the then number one ranked U of Washington some 60 yards (or whatever it was) down the field. A rookie season October car wreck left him paralyzed and ended his NFL career after 6 games. Great is an over used word for athletes, but he truly was. RIP https://www.kens5.com/article/news/local/sa-football-legend-gabriel-rivera-dies/273-574300426

Dead. Graveyard dead.

Yep ButtFumble, ML is still "doing the exact same stupid shit at WSU". At least we agree on that--he's had 9 win seasons in 2 of the last 3 years. Also received a PAC 12 Coach of the Year award too. Same ol', same ol'. And he lost a game he shouldn't have. Remember when Nick Saban at Bama lost at home to La-Monroe? Can he not coach either? It's football, it happens. And I'll have you know I'm thinking about turning you in to the message board EEO dept. for not being an equal opportunity ranter. Nobody in modern TT football history has been worse at recruiting, game management, special teams and winning than Kliff. Yet all quiet on the ButtFumble front. Selective, very selective.

Buttfumble, whew, you're out there dude. It doesn't matter to me a bit if you don't like Mike Leach, but seems to me there would be value in getting a grip on reality. His W/L loss record alone pretty much debunks the gist of your overly emotional rants.

Given your unrestrained and unjustified bitterness, I'd have to guess as a kid, Mike Leach must have stolen your candy. Your remarks defy reality.

It's fun to play make believe.

Pretty much is an asinine opinion. Given your underachievement criteria, as TTU has won more football games in the last three years than UT, TT is currently a better candidate for realignment than UT--which is of course absurd. Regarding realignment attractiveness, let's repeat it together shall we, "big picture", "big picture".

Kliff apparently telling Manziel stories out of school on barstool podcast. Ags don't like it a bit. https://texags.com/forums/5/topics/2961540 That Halloween, Manziel was famously photographed dancing with a woman while wearing a Scooby-Doo costume at a party. According to Kingsbury, who was A&M's offensive coordinator at the time, the photo was taken the day before the Aggies were set to leave for Mississippi State. Manziel missed the team's offensive meeting that morning. Kingsbury said he and the staff were trying to cover for the star quarterback, hoping he can at least make it to the final walkthrough in College Station. We'll let Kingsbury take it from here: "Johnny has some crazy excuse. His roommate pulled the plug on his alarm clock, or something, electricity. But we already know what he's been doing. "So he misses the offensive meeting, trots out to walkthrough -- Coach Sumlin (former coach Kevin Sumlin) doesn't know at this point that he's late -- goes through the walkthrough, probably, I think, still a little intoxicated at that point. "We do our deal, (he) gets on the plane, goes to Starkville, plays the best game I've ever seen. At that point, I'm like, 'This kid is not human.'" Manziel was 30-of-36 passing for 311 yards and rushed for 129 yards and two touchdowns in a 38-13 win over the No. 17 Bulldogs. He eventually won the Heisman that year and let the Aggies to their first top-five finish in the final Associated Press poll since 1956. Between gamedays, one rarely knew what they were going to get from Manziel, as Kingsbury's story indicates. But on Saturdays that season, Manziel nearly always delivered, which is probably why staffers didn't mind covering for him.

Make a blind man talk about seeing again.

I wanted to see the part about him tapping those ol' dirty leg gals.

I am among KK's biggest detractors. Think he should be gone. I will say though, he's not above running off a player even if it hurts some. See the recent dismissal of Quan Shorts, a WR with some talent and a little experience on a team without much WR experience to speak of. True or not I have no idea, bit have heard Sumlin was Manziel's bodyguard.

Yep, all the O-line returns, but I honesty don't think they're that good. Ultimately, seems to me this season will go as the QB goes. Agree Kliff knows how to coach up a QB, but there are major concerns about the individuals involved. Duffy has got some real skills, but many questions remain pertaining to non-football issues. I just don't think Carter is good enough. While Bowman has been a really nice surprise, he is after all a true freshman (did go through spring practice last year though). Overall, i look for the defense to be some better and the offense to be worse. No experienced WR's either.

Well, if your preferred yardstick is points allowed, they finished 6th there as well, 3 points behind the 4th place finisher. My point is hardly that they were some killer, monster of a defense, but rather they were pretty consistent with the norm in Big 12 defenses last season. They were so bad for so long, it seems many believe that's still the case.

Inconsistent with the current stereotype, TT defense was not really all that awful last year. In conference games alone, they finished 6th overall in yards allowed--only 20 yards behind the 4th place finisher. They have everybody back

If it matters, the swimming pool girlies weren't college students but grads. They were however, a tonic for tired eyes.

I notice you're anxious to mention weak sisters he might have beaten, but mention nothing about wins over teams like Clemson, Michigan State, Ole Miss, #4 ranked Cal, Virginia, and Minnesota. Besides, your easy ooc schedule is the sole reason argument holds no water when you look at his overall conference record, 47-33. And that was back when the Big 12 was some pretty strong medicine. I likewise get a kick out of the implication of your posts that not winning a conference championship is apparently the same as going 4-8 or whatever. This as if there are no degrees of success or failure. Seemingly, you either go winless or win the conference title and that is it to you. Also entertained by your criticism of Tech versus A&M. Leach only went 7-3 against them. It's hardly my position that Mike Leach is the greatest coach in football history. There's valid criticisms to be made. But you simply throw all objectivity out the window and it's kind of silly. Btw, he took over arguably the worst power 5 program in the country in Washington State and they've gone from having 2 and 4 win seasons prior to his arrival to having two 9 win seasons and an 8 win season in the last 3 years.

That may very well be what he is known for, but not all perception is accurate. The stereotype is that they weren't, but most of his defenses were actually pretty good by a season's end national ranking standard. A UT fan on Shaggy once upon a time posted those rankings for each year and it was very surprising. Wish I would have saved it. Those really awful Tech defenses came later. He may be known for an 11 win season, but he also had three 9 win seasons and 3 eight win seasons. Certainly not national championship numbers, but more than respectable. First two years at TT he won 7 and surpassed that every year afterward. The cream puff ooc schedule certainly seemed far more the norm for major schools everywhere then it is now.

Well, pretty much anything is possible in recruiting, but my guess is, a switch to UT wouldn't be an automatic deal for him as he seems serious about having what he terms "family" already playing for Tech in the form of Ta'Zhawn Henry and Kesean Carter. Who knows though?

This is such bullshit, it's absurd. Like him or hate him, I couldn't personally care less, but you're denying reality. While an average of 8.4 wins would look really good right now, in his last six years at TT, Leach won 9 games twice and 11 games once, was nationally ranked 5 times at season's end, while going to the Cotton Bowl twice as well as the Alamo, Holiday and Gator Bowls. Certainly not the national championship game, but not exactly "spare" bowl games either.

Came down to Michigan and TT for Potts. Leach tells him, if you get on that plane to Michigan for your visit, no more Tech offer for you. He didn't get on the plane.

Sorry about that. That's the thread I thought I was in. Moral of the story I suppose, never post while on the phone. My apologies.