
sheeeit
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Obviously joking.
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Exhibit 1. Miss You. I dare any brave artist to try and cover it. It’s not musically great but an absolute classic. Imagine yourself trying to karaoke this song.
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Listening to some Stones. This sounds blasphemous but fuck Keith Richards for shitting on Mick. Dude was a fantastic lyricist and top 10 all time vocal/frontman. I’m sure Mick was pretentious but you just can not deny his talent. Overall, Mick is more of a savant in his lane than Richard’s is in his. Pains me. But maybe not.
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I thought for sure this was a bit. Lost a little respect you fell for this.
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I don't think we disagree. All I said was that the rule is subjective and if a team asks for clarification on a specific play and the refs ok it, then I do not fault the team for running it.
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Well that was the whole point of the hypothetical. The OU play by play guys said OU specifically told the refs pregame what they intended to do. I said to pretend it was some other team because OU doesn't get the benefit of the doubt. The refs said ok. They ran the play. I have no idea if they really did ask the refs pregame. I just posited that if they did ask them pregame, it would change my opinion on whether it was cheating or not. If you tell a coach something is not against the rules, you would be pretty hypocritical to then blame the coach when the play worked and the other team was pissed. I have a hard time believing that if a coach asked you personally about a particular play before a game and you told the coach it was not a penalty, and then the coach ran the play, that you would call them dirty. It didn't happen in game speed. You as the ref had no distractions when explained what the play would be. You had time to talk about it with your other refs. If you would still say the play was dirty then we just disagree.
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LOL. Take your ritalin. I assume you guys know that it is routine for teams to talk to officials before the game and tell them about potential trick plays they intend to use (reverses, double passes, fake field goals etc) so the refs know it is coming and know what to look for from a rules standpoint. I already said it seemed shady at first. I guess I am having a hard time blaming the team when they told the refs before it happened. The refs knew the rules. Blame them or blame Auburn for being stupid. If the conversation with the refs was that they noticed the Auburn DB talks a lot of shit and that they were going to have their slot receiver try and bait the DB into losing focus, is that a penalty? Solid point. So if a team came to you as an official before the game and explained exactly what they were going to do and you said it was not a penalty, who do you blame?
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OK. I read that. The dude walked right in front of the defender. In a no huddle situation. No gesture to the sideline. No taking off his chin strap. Not running. It was pretty deep in OU territory and he wasn't angling toward the bench area. Just walking out to his spot. If he stopped 3 yards further from the sideline would it have been a penalty? What does "hideout" mean? He literally walked right in front of the defender and took his spot. OU had a wide receiver outside of the slot guy in virtually every play. Why would the defender think there was no one out there? Why would the defense think he was substituting when the QB and OL and everyone else on the field were lining up for the next play? I have watched it many times now. The DB was too busy jawing. I think there is a fine line between using the substitution penalty and just baiting a defender into an emotional mistake.
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LMAO. Thanks. I needed that.
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Probably just have to disagree. There is no question that they hoped to fool Auburn. But what is the definition of substitution? After the play, there was no huddle. No one ran on the field (yes I know they do not have to). Guy just walked to his position. He didn't wave his hand like he needed to come out. Didn't limp towards the sideline. Does the offense have to tell the defense to cover them? Watch Texas or any game. Often receivers walk to their position during no huddle. The OU slot guy distracted the Auburn DB. I think the Auburn DB just messed up. He was too busy jawing with the OU guy and forgot to see who was out there. But again, unless you think there is no subjectivity in the rule, the only way to be sure is to ask the refs. If they say its clean then run it. I am fairly certain it wont work against Texas
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No. And likely never will. I have no idea if it is true or not. Just a hypothetical.
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The question was do you think it is cheating or bush league by a team to run a play that they cleared with the refs? If they had not cleared it beforehand it would almost certainly be bush league and possibly against the rules. It certainly would be pushing the rules.
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Possibly. 1) If they communicated it differently to the same refs that were on the field then the refs would have called it if they did something different. 2) Very possible. 3) Unlikely. But it is obviously a subjective call. They didn't huddle. The player did not fake any type of injury. Walking versus jogging to your spot is not a penalty. I actually think the OU player talking trash to the DB is what caused Auburn to miss it. But, again, the question was not the technical intent of the rule. The question was that if a team clears a play beforehand with the refs is it cheating or even bush league if they then run it in the game? I guess I do not think so.
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Well, I think you missed the point.
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