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Just scanned over this but I would agree that the people responsible for some of these voter law changes should go to jail.

Lulz. Apathy? Bad candidates? Bad policy? Bad polling? The 10% you left out like group 1 better?

I am certain i have used it for both but i am just a really sloppy typist and usually in a hurry.

Lovely. How about people put their opinion out there right now on whether or not they will believe the mueller report. I will believe it.

I think it is much bigger than that but people on here do not want to hear any kind of logic. The reality is that if there existed any smoking gun type evidence against trump it would have been made public by now. The reason, imo, is that I do not believe a man like mueller would be presented with overwhelming evidence that the potus colluded with a foreign power and not do anything while that same potus was out making trade deals, getting the most sensitive intelligence, and all the other things that an actual compromised potus should never be allowed to do. It is just crazy.

So you guys think that there was something bad in the supplemental fbi report on Kavanaugh and that it was read by every single democrat senator and that not one of them brought it up? Seems plausible.

Hard to believe we may actually have some sort of end result in sight. As mentioned 100s of times, if Mueller finds collusion/conspiracy or obstruction of justice or something similar then I will fully support impeachment efforts. My guess is that there will be no such evidence. My guess is that Rosenstein will release a statement summarizing Mueller's findings to date but that mueller's investigative notes will not be made public at this time. When the final comprehensive report by mueller is done, I think it will absolutely be made public. I dont think anyone will care at that point as the results will already be out there. I also think this whole notion that somehow trump or the repubs will bury the results is just childish. By law, the report has to go to the senior members of the senate committee, which obviously includes prominent democrats, and there is simply no way that Mueller would find evidence and then not speak out if the evidence was tried to be buried. My other prediction, and the one I feel strongest about, is that IF the mueller investigation fails to get trump it will not make any difference to anyone. Perhaps it will tamper impeachment talk but everyone that believes so strongly that trump is guilty will still think he is guilty but that mueller just could not find the evidence.

Probably the last point on this but important for context in light of the histrionics, The guy that made the call to order people off the bus was....a democrat. He was appointed by the jefferson county board of commissioners who have a majority, wait for it, democratic make up. So in a democrat county, with a democrat commission, a democrat ordered black seniors off of a bus and the republicans are blamed for ending our democracy as we know it. Solid work by the dems I have to admit and unsurprising that the usual suspects swallowed the story whole.

I looked at this again and have a little different take. I thought that the senior center was actually a resident/overnight type facility, but it appears that it is just a senior activity center. As a result, I do not think the facility had any liability issues wit regards to people leaving the facility. I still say that the event was violating Georgia law as written though. The center is a govt run facility. As a result, it is illegal to have "political" events there and, more importantly, it is illegal to have partisan political parties provide rides to people to vote. It is comical that an event coordinated by the Georgia Chair for the Democratic Party could be tried to be passed of as non partisan. So, I would say, this was probably an over reaction by the facility administrator. But it was not an act of voter suppression. No one at the center showed up that day thinking they were going to get bussed to vote. That was never part of the event. The facility takes people to vote routinely and agreed to take people that same day after lunch and on almost any day they wanted going forward. I am not going to go back through the entire thread, but the 2 examples I have seen so far (this one and the 53,000 voter registration issue) are huge stretches to claim as voter suppression. The fact that some of you are making such over the top hyperbolic claims about them are making you all look like fools. Also, here is the headline from an article on this issue- " Roughly 40 black seniors in Georgia were told to get off a bus organized to take them to cast their votes." Perfect example of what I have been railing against the media for. The headline is just plain false and it suggests something completely different from reality. By everyone involved admission, there was never any intent for the bus to take people to vote. No one showed up that day thinking they were getting a ride to vote on that bus.

Did not get to see the debate. Already said I am supporting Beto. It is possible the polls are wrong. In the 2016 potus election, the polls had a hard time catching up with enthusiasm. I think Beto has a legit chance because he works really hard at it and he has momentum. Te bad thing for him is that while Cruz is not charismatic he is not nearly as bad as Hillary so he will get votes. If I had to guess today, Cruz 51-49.

For the record, I think that getting the seniors off the bus was a stupid thing to do. The optics of it make the county commissioner seem petty. However, I do not make the laws in Georgia. The law says that you can not have political events like this and take people to vote. Maybe it is a stupid law. Maybe republicans used to round up seniors to vote and the dems put in a law against it. I have no idea, I just know the law exists. And if anyone is being honest, it was a political event. This paraphrased line from the article is especially funny- "The event was organized by Diane Evans who said she was acting in her personal capacity as a pastor and not as her position of Democratic Party Chairwoman". If you had the exact same circumstances but the old folks home was full of white people and the event was organized by the Republican Party Chairman everyone arguing this now would be arguing the other side of the issue. From a practical scenario, this is a nothing and really everyone involved knows it. The event was to create awareness about voting. I have zero issue with it and think it is part of our system. It is a good thing. The event, though, did not intend to take anyone to vote. It did not get permission from the facility to take anyone to vote. The request to take the bus was, supposedly, spontaneous. Imagine if you ran a facility for seniors and a group came in, with your permission, to get people excited about voting and next thing you know people are boarding a bus to leave the facility. The liability is huge. Further, the facility routinely takes people to vote. The part about not taking them due to lunch time is funny in a seniors sort of way but completely irrelevant. The facility agreed to take anyone that wanted to vote that same day after lunch or any day they wanted.

Lulz. Total bullshit. The ballots are not provisional. The votes count just like every other.

Well if KatCalvinLA says it, it must be true. You really think Georgia is denying voters with valid ID to vote? I will predict that no one actually materializes that was denied the ability to vote with valid ID. You guys crack me up. I know you love to believe what you read in the media. And I know it makes you really mad when someone points out that this horrible criminal racist tragedy isnt actually any tragedy at all. Every one of the 53,000 can vote just like they would have if they were properly registered. They can resolve their registration issues when they vote too.

According to the Atlanta Journal Constitution, every single one of these 53,000 pending registration people can vote on election day with a valid photo ID. A photo ID has been required to vote in Georgia for a while now and would have been required regardless of the voter registration issue. Why exactly are you guys using this as an example of republicans ending the world? You guys truly are nuts.

I dont know how much this will matter in the long run. Probably not much. But she clearly did this now to try and get out in front of it and make it go away. I think that backfired for her. It doesn't really matter if everyone now claims it played no role in her hiring/advancement whatever. Rightly or wrongly, the vast majority of people associate checking a box as trying to get an advantage. The fact that Harvard then used the info to tout her as a woman of color and sent her hire to the govt for diversity numbers only makes the matter worse for Warren politically. It doesn't matter, politically, if she even knew about it at the time. She can not and has not denied she checked the box. Most people will look at that as a lie to get ahead. As to her claims, folks kind of forget why she is in this situation. Here is one of her quotes on the subject: This seems like a massive stretch and I do not believe her. The amount of potential indian blood in her mom (especially in light of Elizabeth's own recent test) would have to be almost imperceptible and I can not see how anyone would even notice. She obviously does not have any physical attributes that would indicate native american heritage. The story is that his parents did not want them to marry because she was part indian, but they wed and lived in the same city with his parents for years. And how would they even know? Elizabeth states often that her mom never talked about it to anyone. Being part indian in those days was not positive. I just do not believe the whole story. But the poiltical reality is that based on this specious dna test (everyone just ignores that the test did not actually prove anything- the tester said that "the results strongly support the existence of...." and virtually every person born in ok could make this claim), trump and the rest of them are going to keep bringing it up. They are going to say she tried to prove it but could not. Unfortunately for Warren, it is just a bad political look for her. And you guys claiming that calling her pocohantas is racist just need to stop. If a 98% blood native american checked a box claiming he was white and someone called him Opie Taylor would it be racist? Racist to whom? The Indian? White Americans? Opie? Barney?

RC?

Lulz. I had never even seen a generic ballot poll before this week. I googled the term to try to find out how much of a thing they are and the Rasmussen poll popped up. For what it is worth, I think that the dams will take back the house but not the Senate.

Shit. Your faith did not last 3 weeks. http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/generic_congressional_ballot_oct10

No doubt. Now that this is over and no one was seriously hurt, I find it pretty funny when presented with the whole story. I think the new definition should be do not hit women unless they are dressed to conceal they are a woman, swinging a bottle at your buddies head and then, after being punched once, they get up and come back at you in the middle of a riot. The odds of these circumstances happening again seem slim so maybe we can go back to just do not hit women. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWMYmZMiQLk Funny all around in hindsight. Forgot to add her post before the event that she was coming to get 100 scalps. Yes I get the movie reference. Its just too funny. Watching fights on TV and imagining how it is going to be is different from real life.

I am done with this. Did you even read the articles? Carrier is hiring. They cant get quality employees to fill the demand. How the fuck is that an indictment on the economy or on US manufacturing? Ford is in the middle of restructuring that was announced years ago. Just stop.

Facts don't matter. Dear Leader out front shoulda toldja. JFC you guys are a beating. Fondren posts that the rust belt has not had any economic growth and, as a result, the dems can easily get their support if they just show up there to campaign. I post long time economic forecasting services that show that 4 of the 5 rust belt states have consumer confidence and business economic optimism at all time highs. Not simply the big cities. The entire states. The unemployment numbers for these states are at 40 year lows. Wage growth in these states has been higher than anytime in the last 20 years. https://www.eauclairechamber.org/eau-claire-chamber-blog/regional-employer-survey-shows-local-wage-growth-accelerating Those are for Indiana (Fondren) and Wisconsin. Anyone can look this stuff up. Read the actual data. In these states around 50% of the job growth and wage growth are in manufacturing of durable goods. The exact types of jobs that dems told them were never coming back. They are coming back. Jimmy keeps posting stuff about Carrier and I have no idea why. Carriers plant in Indianapolis that made all the headlines is openly hiring. They cant find enough people to keep up with demand. Their biggest issue right now is keeping the line open to reach their quotas. Starting pay over $18/hour and up to $20 within 6 months plus as much OT as they want. For the country, durable manufacturing jobs actually decreased from jan '15 to jan '17 by 47,000 jobs. And most of the losses were in 2016. Since jan '17 to jul '18 (6 full months less time) there have been 311,000 durable goods manufacturing jobs created with the bulk coming in 2018. By any measure, this is fantastic for the country. It is just so typical for this place and the usual suspects that someone could post something so stupid- that dems could easily get back the rust belt states because they have not had any economic gains and are "eating shit" when the reports from those states have economic confidence at all time highs- and not only do people not criticize the post they seem to be trying to defend it.

Gee lets call someone slugger to try and trivialize them so people wont realize how dumb of a post I made. People can judge for themselves I suppose. We have Fondren's word based on........versus the actual data from the agencies that have been tracking economic optimism for the state for decades under both parties. It is ok to admit you made a mistake.

I wont reply again because it just isnt worth it but this latest post is perfect for you. I make a post that includes a point that republicans were stalling Obama candidates. You make a reply to tell me that the mean republicans obstruct nominees more than the dems. I reply that that may very well be true but it was not anything at all that I was arguing in my post and that it is irrelevant to the points I was making. You reply "look into the numbers you fucking imbecile". That is fantastic.

You get dumber every day. In a post where I point out how republicans specifically stalled Obama candidates you ask me about repubs stalling candidates. The point, you dolt, is that there are lots and lots of posts on this thread about how the dems did not obstruct Gorsuch. They fully intended to and said as much publicly. I have no problem with them using the rules in the senate as they exist. But they were going to filibuster Gorsuch and the repubs used the same tactic that Reid used to get around the filibuster rule. My post made zero points about which party obstructs the other more often or more forcefully. You just can not help yourself.

This just is not true on any level. The economic optimism in the rust belt states is overwhelmingly high. https://www.moodyonthemarket.com/pnc-economic-outlook-pushes-michigan-business-optimism-to-record-high-levels/ https://www.bizjournals.com/milwaukee/news/2018/06/27/optimism-among-wmc-membership-remains-high-amid.html https://columbusregion.com/news-events/ohio-economic-outlook-optimism-time-high-pnc-employer-survey-columbus-business-first/ http://www.insideindianabusiness.com/story/37989005/report-ranks-indiana-high-for-economic-outlook That is every state in the "rust" belt except for Illinois and all of them have consumer confidence/business confidence or whatever you want to call it at all time highs. There biggest issue is a labor shortage which is the biggest driver for increased wages. But the exact type of jobs, manufacturing primarily, that these states were told were never coming back are, in fact, coming back. The blue collar worker in the rust belt is having a better time today than any in the last 20 years. It is also telling that Illinois is the only rust belt state that is still in uncertain mode.