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So no link on her lying. Solid proof there. I think you mean the GRU or FSB and I am still curious how they use lobbyists.

how about a link? especially that she is a lobbyist for the KGB. it will be a neat trick since the kgb dissolved in 1991. and i did not know that intelligence agencies had lobbyists.

Arent you talking about calls before and after the meeting in trump tower with the russians? Trump was not potus then. The wh switchboard is irrelevent. I would imagine that mueller has the ability to get the phone numbers if he wants them.

Perfect. Lets sit here and do nothing. Does that include you guys posting every single story that is out there by any lunatic that writes one about this? You have no idea what evidence is. Your entire theory of everything is based 100% on what you read in the media. You have a chance to actually read something that is evidence and you refuse. But I am the troll. Here is a hint, when mueller puts out his report he is not going to include a single reference to anyone in the media and their opinion on the matter. But he will absolutely include include sworn testimony of the actual people being accused. Think about what you typed above. You engage me to expose me to new members and lurkers. That is so fucking pathetic and sad I can not believe you even typed it. I am sure all of the people that come here appreciate the fact that you think they are idiots that need you to tell them what is correct and incorrect. How about that Natailya lie you posted? You going to prove it?

Then someone would have to prove the lie correct? There would need to be documents or recordings or something right? Surely the fate of the POTUS does not hinge on what idiots like Pods THINK happened. have one of the attorneys on here read the relevant parts of the transcripts and ask them if they believe them to be credible based on their experience. You have multiple people, several of which had never even met each other before going to an open meeting in Trump tower and we are to believe that in that meeting, there was an exchange that would constitute treason? That seems logical to people? Everyone involved said the meeting took 20-30 minutes. You believe that a massively complicated scheme to alter an election that would put every single one of them in jail if it were true would be hatched out in 20-30 minutes? That they would just bring along a freelance interpreter so he could be implicated in the scheme? That the plot to hatch the biggest potential conspiracy in US history was done in an open meeting room in Trump tower. With Kushner coming in late and leaving early and 100s of trump employees milling around. And if at the meeting there actually had been incriminating evidence about Hillary passed on for lifting sanctions, where exactly is the incriminating info on Hillary? Why would they then approach Carter Page and then Erik Prince and Flynn and Papas and Manafort before them? Why would there not be a single further call or email or text or meeting or anything between the trump folks and Nataliya or Ike or Rinat? Why would Kushner be furious about the meeting (unless we agree with retard pods that Kushner planted that story on purpose to throw everyone off)? It is nonsensical.

I am not aware that Nataliya, Ike or the interpreter have ever been proven to be liars but I could be wrong. I don't think Goldstone was a proven liar unless you count the fact that he embellished the reason for the meeting to Jr in order to actually get a meeting. A meeting that his one and only client at the time asked for him to set up personally, so he needed to come through. Of course I do not think they would sit down and admit to illegal activity. My guess would be they would simply refuse to testify. I do not think the US senate can compel foreigners to testify in hearings. Maybe they can. I dont know. But, again, it doesnt matter what anyone thinks it only matters what someone can prove. Trying to get people to stick to a lie is really hard if everyone is in cahoots in the deal. But certainly Ike and Goldstone and the interpreter had nothing to do with any of this. many of them met each other for the first time that day. I do not believe that someone would be able to get all of them to blatantly lie under oath and I do not think they could keep their story straight if they tried to lie.

Lulz. Even for you that is a good one.

Like I said, you can not keep track of your own story and the lies needed to make it true. At least now you seem to be admitting that there was no dirt delivered. Show us one link of any kind where nataliya " said she would be delivering it". That is a total fabrication and you know it. She never said anything even remotely about that. She had zero communication with Jr or Kushner or Manafort prior to the actual meeting.

I know that is what you guys want it to be about. You really really want it to be. None of you obviously read any of the testimonies. The following is a list of questions that was asked of all of the meeting participants under oath and penalty of perjury and subject to cross examination (except Nataliya). Jr, Nataliya, Ike, Rinat, Goldstone and the interpreter. All of them asked the same list of questions and this is from the interpreter: 16 BY MS . BRENNAN : 1 7 Q. Turning now t o the mee ti ng itself on June 1 8 9 , 201 6 , did anyone s t a t e that t he Russian 1 9 Government support e d Do nald Trump ' s Pr e side ntial 20 campa ign? 21 A. No . 2 2 Q. Did anyone state that the Russian 23 Government opposed Hillary Clinton 's c ampaign? 24 2 5 A No. Q. Did anyo n e at the me eti ng o ff e r t o 1 releas e hacke d emails to aid the Trump campaign? 2 A No . 3 Q. Did a nyo ne o ffer to manufacture or 4 distribute fake news to aid the Trump campaign? 5 A No . 6 Q. Did anyone offer to hack State voter 7 reg istratio n systems t o obtain v o t e r data to aid 8 the Trump campa ign? A No . 44 9 1 0 Q. Was there any discussio n of anything that 11 might rea sonably be considered collusion between 12 the Trump campaign and the Russian Government? 13 A. No . Every participant said the exact same thing in regards to this. These are publicly available. Just read them. It is not surprising that the media hasnt produced these quotes but they release the fact that one person said Kushner left the meeting early and another said he didnt. Solid reporting on the pertinent facts there. How about any of you read the transcripts and tell me how Mueller is going to prove anything related to conspiracy as a result of this meeting.

Another beauty. Makes perfect sense in some worlds. Pods- The trump tower meeting was specifically about lifting sanctions in exchange for election help. Pods- Kushner furious that meeting was not about lifting sanctions in exchange for election help.

This is actually perfect for this board and all things Trump. We have actual verified testimony regarding this whole fiasco and that testimony is dismissed and seemingly not worth anyone's time, BUT a new blog post from some unknown person that talks about information from unnamed, anonymous fbi agents (who we have been told for a year do not leak ever) is considered news. I am not at all surprised.

Well point out a specific lie and I will be happy to address it. My guess is that the meeting was such a nothing that it was largely forgotten about until more details came out. Then it just looked embarrassing. When I google about the lies, the main thing I find is that people say Jr was lying when he said the meeting was about adoptions. Well, based on the testimony now available of everyone at the actual meeting, it was about adoptions. That is clearly not what Jr thought it was going to be about. It certainly had exactly zero to do with any kind of conspiracy between the russian govt and trump et al to help in the election.

From Trump Jr perspective, the purpose was to potentially get dirt on Hillary. From the other participants, the purpose was to try and lobby the Trump team to help with the Magnitsky Act and russia's retaliatory move of banning adoptions by US folks.

Ok. Thats pretty funny.

It is kind of funny. We have been getting anonymous leaked stories for a year and a half. We have people that have posted on Russia/conspiracy four and five times every single day for over year. Literally thousands of posts by hundreds of different people. We finally, for the first time as it relates to Trump/Russia get actual sourced testimony and facts and no one wants to talk about it. I wonder why that is?

Tuco (and the others)- Pretty much everything you said above is accurate. And, it is the reason that there needed to be an investigation. The initial email from Goldstone sounded quite suspicious. But you keep ignoring the most obvious point, they have been doing investigations and they (the SIC- which I have been reading lately on here is both bi-partisan and professional) interviewed, under oath and penalty of perjury, all of the participants in the meeting. They answered all of the questions independent of each other and they all gave the same basic story. The exact same story that they have given publicly. Now I know the absolute crazies believe that they are all in cahoots and lying, but that is silly. They have emails and texts and all other correspondence form these actors from before and after the meeting. Read their testimony. There is a reason that none of the usual crazies (Hugo, triple etc.) are commenting on this. It is because this was not an anonymous leaker in a news article. It was not the wild speculation of a blogger/twitterer. It is the actual transcript of the testimonies of the parties involved. These are the actual facts and the actual evidence we have. This is, for almost the first time, actual factual evidence. And if any of you are being even remotely honest, you will agree that the likelihood that mueller can make any kind of collusion/conspiracy case out of this particular meeting is virtually nil. You still have lots of other angles to speculate on to get trump. But this meeting was one of the biggest arrows in everyone's quiver. And it is DOA for practical purposes. This does not mean Trump is completely exonerated at all. There is still lots of stuff to investigate. But this single particular line, is dead. As for your particular interest in the lawyer and Ike and Preet, there certainly does not seem to be anything weird in it to me. The lawyers were heavily involved in the Prezevon case that Preet was heading. Obviously a change in the lead prosecutor in the middle to end of the case would be a big deal. Typically, all of the US attorneys get summarily fired by the incoming Potus's. Clinton, Bush, Obama etc. Occasionally there is one or two left over. It was unusual that Trump wanted to initially keep Preet and then unusual when he left. It is not the least bit unusual for some of the parties involved (including the lawyers and business executives) to speculate on what the implications for the case would be. It would be weird if they did not speculate on it. Settling cases days before trial is hardly unusual. Preet himself congratulated his replacement for the settlement. You posted a statement by the lawyers for Prezevon who liked the settlement. Here is what the US had to say said about the settlement: ""Under the terms of this settlement, the defendants have agreed to pay not just what we alleged flowed to them from the Russian treasury fraud, but three times that amount, and roughly 10 times the money we alleged could be traced directly into US accounts and real estate," acting Manhattan US Attorney Joon H. Kim said." " A letter filed on December 12 and signed by Assistant Attorney General Stephen Boyd said that prosecutors in the U.S. Attorney’s Office in the Southern District of New York had no contact with President Donald Trump, his administration’s personnel, his relatives, or his campaign officials regarding the case, known informally as Prevezon. "The decision to settle was made by career… prosecutors based on the merits and on a conclusion that the proposed settlement represented a highly favorable resolution of the case for the United States," said the letter, which was stamped November 9.

I agree that any POTUS probably should not be able to be indicted while in office. Mueller should complete his investigation and give the results to congress and let them decide if the POTUS should be removed from office. After trump is out of office, he should be subject to the same standards as anyone else.

Lulz. This is the problem when people get so emotionally invested in something that they do not know all of the facts. I get that it is hard to admit that perhaps people have been duped. That the media has the perfect storm of simultaneously wanting trump to go down and that everything they write about it or talk about drives their ratings to vastly increased revenue. It is their absolute dream. They get to try and tarnish trump (and he is unquestionably tarnishable) which they would do in any event, and they get record revenue at the same time. So they take a case like this meeting and they print a combination of truths, half truths, out of context statements, innuendo, and straight fabrications to create a narrative. That narrative is gobbled up by a lot of people. Then, when the actual facts of the meeting come out people refuse to admit it. No one wants to admit they were duped. People are rightly embarrassed that they invested so much faith in something that was built on bullshit speculation. Please explain, anyone, how this meeting (just this meeting) can be used to further the case for collusion/conspiracy. I realize that it is in the realm of slight possibility that one of the meeting participants could show up with a taped message of the meeting or that someone could suddenly recant their testimony and tell a different story and then all of them agree with that new story but the odds of any of that happening are less than 1%. As it stands right now, it is over for this meeting.

Actually, only Nataliya provided written answers. jr, Rinat, Ike, the interpreter and Goldstone all testified live and were subject to questions and cross examination. Even you have to admit to certain realities. Of course, one person's testimony alone means very little. But we have testimony now from everyone in the meeting. They all said essentially the same thing. Of course there will be some minor differences (differences about who sat where or how long Kushner was in the meeting but nothing substantial) as you are getting testimony from people about a 30 minute meeting a year or so before. But on the main points, all the stories were the same. Just as I predicted, the response now is that all of them are lying. I think that is crazy but I suppose it is remotely possible. But even if we assume they might be lying, what do you have? No one else is in the meeting. It was not recorded. What are you or mueller going to do? You are the attorney. When you depose a group of people that were in a meeting and evey person in the meeting says the same thing, what do you do? You either believe them or you think they are all lying but you realize there isnt anything you can do to prove that. If you put all of those people on the stand the jury is going to believe them. Their stories are all the same. Bottom line, if their testimony is detrimental to your case you would not want them within a mile of the courthouse. Just speculate, lets just assume that no other information about this meeting exists, do you see any possible way that mueller, or anyone, could use this meeting to further a case for collusion/conspiracy? I do not. If you do, please elaborate.

Uh...where did I ever indicate it wasnt written answers? I did read it. I suppose the next line from you dorks is that somehow the bumbling idiot trumps got every single person at the meeting, including an interpreter, to all make up the same lie and stick to it through multiple interviews.

Well considering that the US Senate titled the document: "Testimony of NATALIA VESELNITSKAYA Before the United States Senate Committee on the Judiciary" You can take it up with those dupes.

If this was directed at me, I think he should release the reports when they are finished. Bad or good, they should influence the political landscape.

Sure. That would be a major problem. But asking Comey to go easy on Flynn and firing Comey is not enough imo. Rosenstein recommended Comey be fired and had discussions about the firing with Sessions well before Trump ever met with Comey. If there is evidence that trump fired comey and told sessions or rosenstein to stop the investigation then of course that would be obstruction. But trump fired comey and then rosenstein immediately announced the Mueller hiring.

How about a couple of you read the pages? Jr, Rinat, nataliya, Kushner, the interpreter, Ike they all tell the exact same story. This whole episode was nothing. Yet it has consumed you guys for a year or more. Do any of you have any objectivity left at all? Can anyone read these transcripts and still believe that anything illegal/nefarious/conspirational/immoral/unethical or anything like that happened at this meeting? It is ridiculous. It is also kind of funny how the russians involved all talk about how the media stories about this and them are total fabrications. Can any of you just admit that the media played you in this particular case?

I suggest you guys read Nataliya's testimony specifically and the supporting statements. You guys keep continually being duped by the media. There is nothing there at all. Never was. Based on Goldstone's email to Trump Jr the meeting was certainly worth investigating. But, like everything else so far, when it is actually vetted there is just nothing there. The media spins it all kinds of ways to keep the public frothing. You guys froth.