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no shit and 100% correct. i'm only just now scratching the surface of racial inequality in this country, and i only just started really digging. and before that i thought i understood race relations and history in this country. i've made statements like "we're 50 years after the civil rights movement!" and "are we in a post racial world yet?" i didn't realize how racist i was being. i actually thought i was being reasonable. that's the thing about ignorance. you can learn what you don't know, but you can't magically know what you don't know. that's why i asked @52-80 if he asks himself critical questions before posting.

it's really bizarre. i mean, i don't want to go full cloak conspiracy, but this dude seems to be firing people with whom he politically disagrees. it's his radio business, so it's his call, but the market is primarily austin, not bastrop or lampasas.

and i missed this post. great fucking post.

agreed 100% - and you did a great job of what i was trying to say. race is nevertheless inescapable in this instance. it is impossible to overlook. you have to put in some real effort to be race-blind to this issue.

fair enough to ask questions - lord knows i've asked enough in this thread. i answered in line above.

hey, man, i told her to stop calling me.

i think it's important to note that my poist wasn't directed as a rebuttal to yours. i get what you are saying. i'm sorry if it seemed like i was coming at you - that was not my intention. i agree with you 100%, and i hope there are no riots, just peaceful marches and candlelight vigils. i really hope we can get to a point where cops are only accidentally killing people rather than BEATING THEM TO DEATH.

i know, i know, but you can only hit your dog so often before it bites you or somebody else. and that bite might actually manifest sometime when you aren't hitting the dog. but guess what? the dog thought you were going to hit it again and it's sick of your shit.

i know i'm repeating myself but i'm going to post this THIRTY-FIVE YEAR OLD song: and again, for reference, these issues are still very manifest today. take a couple minutes and actually LISTEN to the lyrics and THINK for a goddamn minute about why they are saying these things THAT ARE STILL HAPPENING TODAY. for reference, 35 years prior to this song's release, it was 1953. right around the time of brown v boe. just for reference.

when people are uniformly angry and act out en masse against power, is it their fault? my kid throws a tantrum at the store because they haven't eaten for 6 hours. is it their fault? some of it. some of it is mine. some of it is unfortunate timing. but my child's distress is real and he's not just having fun at my expense. sometimes, i think many of yall view race relations the same way. like black people are just having a go at white people. that they invent reasons to get angry and it doesn't have to do with generations of systemic oppression. OF COURSE THEY ARE FUCKING PISSED.

no. that's also a racist red-herring. the platonic/ideal condition, as i've been trying to learn, is to be impartial as possible, race-conscious, culturally aware, and try to use that information to make the best decision you can. by race-conscious, i mean that in a positive context, but it can also make me weirdly self-conscious in a way that i'm still not comfortable with, but that's okay. i used to say "i don't see color" or similar shit like that. it was racist. of course i saw color. of course people see my whiteness. of course i see that hot girl over there and the sweathog dude on the harley. we make judgments every day. the key, i'm learning, is mindfulness. asking yourself critical questions all the time. it sucks and it's hard. i get tired of doing it. that's why i asked you if you think before you post. i haven't always thought before posting, and this is definitely the board to shoot from your hip, so i get it. but where you fall down is looking at a work in progress, seeing an improvement, and declaring it done. race relations will never be done. black people have shit to think about also. we all have shit to think about. that's part of being a human. also part of being human, sadly, is the casting out, either metaphorically or literally, those who look or act or believe differently than you. i'm just telling you that is what you are doing even if you do not realize it. like knows like. i used to do it all the time.

see, but you do care enough to post and share your opinion. look, i'm just warning you that you sound like a racist rationalizing his beliefs. you don't care that i think that, great. but it's how you are coming across, and i like to think of myself as fairly reasonable. but when you start using coded racist language, i get annoyed. "there's less racism now than ever before" is a racist loser argument. there's always work to be done. yesterday's improvement over "deplorable" doesn't mean we cannot make an improvement tomorrow to somewhere north of "terrible." and i am convinced that you are trying not to see race here. like, that you are a racist, whether or not you are intentionally is another argument altogether. here's a small challenge: do you agree that the behavior of this female black police chief firing 5 male black police officers for killing a male black person (i would go further and put in the descriptor BEATING HIM TO DEATH but whatever) in the timeline she did it was appropriate? i actually say it should be quicker. i would argue that if i and four friends of mine went and BEAT SOMEONE TO DEATH, we wouldn't be waiting weeks for justice. why has it taken so long to release the video? but, for the sake of exercise, let's plsay pretend for a minute and take race and gender out of everything i said above: do you agree that the behavior of the police chief firing 5 officers for BEATING A PERSON TO DEATH in the timeline done was appropriate? yes? why isn't it done so quickly in other cases? would race have something to do with it? especially the race of the officers and the chief? whose race do you deem more important here: the victim or the perpetrators or the chief or the community being policed or what?

derivative is a criticism levied by non-serious people at things they don't understand. unless it's the foo fighters, who are absolutely derivative. fight me.

honest question: when was the last time the police severely beat a white person to death? are the numbers analagous to black people being beaten to death or found dead in the cell?

exactly. it's content. people have learned to control their content. why on earth would i tune into 93.7 to listen to 30 year old music? i can listen to 30 year old music on spotify, and i can listen to the 30 year old music i want to listen to, not the 4 millionth play of panama, which admittedly is a badass song, when i want to listen to it. i' don't have the answers, but i'm convinced everything they are doing is wrong and that they are really trying to make an antiquated business model fit into a modern world. start selling tires and stop shoeing horses. christ.

oh, it can happen. tragically, it happened here in austin some time back, and affected members of our community. person a gets in fight with person b, somehow person a is hit or shoved and hits head on curb and dies. it does happen. but it didn't here. and because it didn't, i'll stand by my statement that it's fucking hard to beat someone to death.

see, you're falling into that trap of the unintentional racist with your (1) above. just because there is "less" of it, which suffers already from a definition of what "it" (racial animus) is, but also from a matter of degree. america has been fucking racist for hundreds of years. like, slavery, then intentional segregation and intentional sabotaging of an entire race's opportunity in this country. sundown towns, the crazy ass biased justice system, the invented crack epidemic. great. we aren't giving native american people smallpox blankets any more. why aren't they happy?!? also, that's a tool that intentional racists use on purpose to be disingenuous, so you might want to be careful there.

let's make a bet. let's bet that isn't what happened here and what happened here was a severe beating that resulted in death, not a one-off accidental hit of the head.

what do you think? i think we are starting to see interesting conversations erupt around this, up to and including inherent police bias with regards to the race of a civilian, regardless, or perhaps because of the race of the cops. this song came out in 19fucking88. 35 fucking years ago. in 1988, 35 years previously was 1953, for reference. think about that for a second. "black police showing out for the white cop" these issues are not fucking new.

beyond that, i think most folks don't have an understanding of how hard it is to beat someone to death. a firearm discharge is 1000% more understandable than BEATING SOMEONE TO FUCKING DEATH.

sometimes i wonder about posters like you. do you stop and actually think about what you post? or have you staked out your position and by god, that's all there is to it. like, for example, i read your post and you seem hellbent on there being no racial animus here. why? of course there is racial animus. this is fucking america.

over the years, i've listened to 101x, 93.7fm and am. i'd love to see a balance sheet for the business. i know terrestrial radio is dead, or at least that's the common misconception, i reckon. the fcc has done radio no favors in a podcast world, but the appetite for quality content is there, and has not at all abated. terrestrial radio suffers from the same issues as broadcast networks. an outdated business model. in both instances, they have run to the bottom of the barrel for local content (i'm pretty sure every local tv news station hires high school students as anchors) and pay them pennies and wonder why people aren't tuning in. if i want a national show on an austin terrestrial channel, i'd listen to a podcast or a national show in my sirius subscription. i listen to local radio because i like locally based content. the only show that seems to understand that is mornings with matt and bob and they seem to really be the only local morning show still around. and even so, i can't listen live, so i have to podcast it. evidently that doesn't count for their ratings? that's fucking stupid. anyways. tl;dr: the advert model for everything is broken and nobody seems interested in updating a century old business model for reasons.

it hit the news today? today is the first you are hearing of this? i mean, that's okay, apparently some white dude murdered his family and now it's all over the news and i have no idea what the hell is going on with that. we all get busy and miss the news cycle, but this has been talked about all fucking week.

same but I'll watch. those people in blue are paid by taxpayers. i owe it to the deceased. i must face it, like looking at older lynching pictures.