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Good. Fuck that chode.
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Religiously, I am kind of in a rut (am I alone )
Ojo Rojo replied to Clintonaldo's topic in Cloak Room
Well, you have religion, and then you have everything else about life. If you want an example, instead of going inside of a church, go look at the stars. Basically any other reason than, because my religion told me to. Again, if you want an example - one definition of "good" is anything that promotes humanity and "evil" is anything that harms or hinders humanity. So being a good person is to promote humanity. -
Religiously, I am kind of in a rut (am I alone )
Ojo Rojo replied to Clintonaldo's topic in Cloak Room
Similar. Grew up Catholic - Catholic school PK4-12. In 3rd grade the nun who taught us told us that Adam and Eve didn't really exist, but were rather an allegory. I was like, WTF? Then my mom told me Santa Claus wasn't real. I started questioning everything and didn't stop until after college. I became an anthropology major for the same reasons you undertook study - to find out what the fuck was going on and why. I reached conclusions that were satisfactory enough for me and stopped questioning so much and stressing about the answers, or lack thereof. Specifically with respect to religion - there is absolutely nothing religion can give you that you cannot get in other aspects of life. Morality, righteousness, charity, community, divinity, everything that religion has to offer, you can get somewhere else. In fact, I'd submit that receiving all of those things outside of religion actually is far better. Do you want to be a good person only so you don't go to an imaginary hell? What, are we children who can only do right to avoid punishment? Not me. I'd rather be a good person for reasons that I've come to through reason and logic. Given all of the flaws with religion and that it has nothing to offer I can't get better somewhere else, I've got no use for it. -
The Leopards Eating Faces and Unlubed Dildo of Consequences Thread
Ojo Rojo replied to Horn Dog's topic in Cloak Room
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Convincing? We don't need no stinking convincing! Not only would it be impossible (even with violence), it is unnecessary. Trump is fucking his own supporters by killing the economy and taking away their benefits. The only question is the degree of fucking before they start to notice and turn on him.
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The Leopards Eating Faces and Unlubed Dildo of Consequences Thread
Ojo Rojo replied to Horn Dog's topic in Cloak Room
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This is an extraordinary case, for many reasons, not the least of which is that it is THE test case for whether the executive is subject in any way to the judiciary. When there is this much at stake a lot more shit happens, which takes a lot more time. It's the same reason why death row inmates take so long to execute - they get maximum due process. Not only because there is a human life hanging in the balance, but also it actually preserves the death penalty as a thing because the system can say, "See, we gave him years and years and umpteen chances in court." For an issue of this much gravity, we actually want it to take as long as it needs to for Trump to try every fucking thing to avoid complying with the court's rulings so they can't come back and try that one thing they didn't try this time. We want SCOTUS and every federal judge to be able to tell Trump, "Nope. Sorry, motherfucker. You already tried that and it didn't work."
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Vladeck's latest on the Abrego Garcia case:
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They issue a contempt order, after a couple of other procedural steps. I think that would mean they would issue a bench warrant for Kristi Noem, the named party. She stays jailed until Abrego Garcia is returned. Several other things could happen. The U.S. Marshals, who would enforce the contempt order, might be instructed not to do so by DOJ. Those marshals would then have a choice to make - follow the law or obey Trump.
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IT'S NOT OVER YET.
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We are in a cycle and a moment in time where all of this shit is possible. It's like a fucked up political El Niño. Citizens United royally fucked things up, as one factor. Instead of doing what's right, what's needed, what's Constitutional, now it's "do the shit that nets us the most money." I have a stronger belief in the foundation than you do, clearly. What has to happen is failure. The policies of this administration, and all it stands for, have to fail spectacularly for people who supported it to understand we need to do things differently. That is why I'm rooting for failure. And I think it will happen. There is no way you can do this much dumb, harmful shit without there being huge consequences. Or, if not, then it means nothing that happens in Washington matters one iota and I can stop caring about politics forever.
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This all started when I said the Roberts court would follow the Constitution. They did. From there, I have no faith in Trump Co. whatsoever. I don't know if they will follow a Supreme Court order or not. No one does. We may find out soon. What I recognize, that you aren't, is that this is a process; a very delicate one. It's not over. You keep saying it's over and that proves that the republic is done, the Supreme Court are proven stooges, etc. etc., when it's not actually over. The SCOTUS opinion was worded in a very specific way. Without knowing for sure, I would bet that in their deliberations Roberts called for 9-0 to send a message and in exchange the conservatives got their language about due regard to executive power over foreign affairs. One thing this accomplished is that it gave Trump the ability to avoid a showdown. He's fucking around, being a dick about it, of course. Not answering the federal judge's questions, spouting bullshit. Fine, douchebag. The statement from Bukele was made while he was sitting in a room with Trump. As a sycophantic pawn, what the fuck else would you expect him to say? If Trump tells him to release the man, he will release him. Simple as that. What this will boil down to, I believe, is public opinion. It's politics. Do a majority of Americans believe Abrego Garcia should be returned? Does that political analysis dictate that it would be politically advantageous to bring him back, or disadvantageous to not do so? Same question with respect to defying the courts - politically good or bad? I think the wonks are trying to crank out the answers and that's what everyone is waiting for. I think it's close, which is why it has taken as long as it has already.
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What do you think the S. Court should have done? What do you think the district court should do?
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No. I'm not an expert on procedure in these situations; I don't know how anyone could be since this is unprecedented. What I think would happen is that the judge would continue pressing for information and for the people with that information to appear. Who ordered the plane to take off? Bring them here. Who was the last person to see him alive? Bring them here. Who is our liaison with the Salvadoran prison? Bring them here. Etc., etc. If those people refuse to answer the judge's questions then she can hold them in contempt and put them in jail.
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It was more of a rhetorical statement inviting others to say what they think will happen and why. Guess I should have been more clear.
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