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https://www.texastribune.org/2024/10/30/texas-abortion-ban-josseli-barnica-death-miscarriage/ https://www.nbcnews.com/health/womens-health/abortion-ballot-measures-reports-miscarriage-deaths-rcna178660 Not only have at least two women died directly because of the abortion ban, but maternal mortality is way up. It's not as simple as allowing ectopic pregnancy and miscarriage abortion; there are far-reaching consequences. *Edit - And oh by the way, if you go looking for truth in Congressional hearings....HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. There is no greater bullshit dog and pony show on planet earth. Democrat or Republican driven.

This is pretty disingenuous. NBC, WaPo and CNN paid a settlement, the terms of which were confidential. Could have been millions; could have been nuisance value. The remaining 5 cases were later dismissed, which was upheld on appeal and then not taken up by SCOTUS. To compare this little shit to the Fox settlement is absurd.

Fuck yes. You can have integrity and tell the truth or you can win elections. In American politics, you can't do both. At least underlying our lies would be a genuine desire to work for the greater good, the downtrodden and the future of the country.

I proposed demonizing the rich and corporations. Uneducated white middle class people can easily hate them and believe they are causing all of their problems. We can also go all in on immigrants because they don't vote.

The difference is that those media outlets report fact-based news tinged with bias. On the other hand, conservative outlets, like Fox, report things that actually didn't happen. There is no tinge of bias; a huge percentage of it is just outright lies. It's not a matter of both groups believing bullshit. It's a matter of one group is mostly tethered to the truth and the other isn't restrained from any farfetched lie.

Close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades.

Putting this here to be quoted a million times in this thread.

Is that Roger Staubach in the background?

I don't know, I don't go for all of the Chicken Little bullshit. I don't want to be the frog in the boiling water, but I also don't want to be a panicking alarmist responding to hyperbole and talk without action. He tried to leverage aid to Ukraine for an investigation into Biden - failed. He said he was going to build a wall at the southern border and have Mexico pay for it - failed. He incited an insurrection in an attempt to prevent certification of the 2020 election - failed. Tried to repeal Obamacare - failed. We can parse the record to determine what he did do and whether it was good or bad, but most of those things fall into policy differences, not objectively bad, evil or illegal. I'm not saying I'm hopeful he does good things - I'm not. I'm not saying he won't try to do bad, evil and illegal things, let alone immoral and unethical. I'm saying that all or almost all of the worst things he said he's going to do, based on history, will probably fail.

Summed: Demonize the fuck out of the rich and corporations. Go HARD on immigration. Raise taxes on capital gains (the rich) and the estate tax (the dead rich). Lower taxes on middle class and poor. Go HARD on the deficit.

No comments on the proposed new platform? The guy in the video is not entirely wrong - we can either be right or we can win elections. We need to win elections then we can act on what we know is right. To do that we've got to bring more people under the tent. So what big issue can we give on? I chose immigration. Illegal immigrants don't vote so we can fuck them over with no political cost. Plus, it looks like doing the border will actually gain favor with the very important Latino voting bloc. We don't have to be inhumane to carry out the policy. Hell, we don't even have to carry out the policy at all. It was the No. 2 issue for Trump voters. So we go further on it than the Republicans have even tried.

Oh, yeah. Right. Momentary lapse.

You know that you don't actually have to do any of this stuff, right? You just have to say it a bunch of times to get elected, then do whatever you want and blame the other side when people say you didn't do what you said.

This is very close to my stance as well. You would think that decreasing the number of abortions, instead of just making it illegal, would be an attractive alternative to those on the right. Sadly, I don't think it would be.

America! We have heard you! The Democratic Party of the United States has always tried to be a party of the people and for the people. We recognize that we have failed in that goal. But no longer. We have heard you and we understand. Going forward, it shall be the official policy platform of the Democratic Party to do and support the following: Stop at absolute nothing to reduce undocumented and illegal immigration to zero as quickly as possible. We are asking border states to mobilize their state national guards to patrol the border with Mexico until emergency funding can be put in place to hire and train 5,000 new border patrol officers. Concurrently, we will send to the President of Mexico and regional governors a statement that our new national policy on illegal immigrant crossings is that our law enforcement officers have been instructed to not allow any illegal crosser to reach U.S. soil by any means necessary. Any foreign national inside our border illegally is subject to immediate deportation without due process of law. There is no more asylum for illegal aliens. Any asylum application, to be considered, must be filed with the appropriate authorities prior to entering the United States. We are also terminating the law whereby citizenship is automatically granted to persons born on U.S. soil. The U.S. will immediately authorize 10 million O-1 temporary worker visas that do not allow residence in the United States. Workers from Mexico may enter the United States border territories to work, but must return to Mexico every 24 hours. United States businesses will be made aware of the humongous pool of cheap labor in these regions and they will be encouraged to build factories and other facilities in these regions to take advantage of this pool of cheap labor. We will build 40 new international bridges to these workers can cross in and out of the United States to work every day. Federal income taxes on the poor and middle class will be cut. For those who make less than $45,000 the tax rate will be 0%. For those who make between $45,000 and $125,000, the tax rate will be $17.5%. The rate for those making over $600,000 is 42%. The exemption for estate tax is $7.5M per individual. The estate tax rate is 42%. The income tax on capital gains is increased to 22%. The budget deficit is a national security risk. Republicans are primarily responsible for our huge deficit even though they lie about cutting taxes and spending. No more. We are going to reduce the deficit by $10 trillion over the next 8 years. Billionaires and corporations (who have also been fucking the shit out of you by raising prices and raping and pillaging for skyrocketing profits) are going to pay for it. We are OUT of foreign wars. Rest of the world, eat a dick. Be warned, however, if you do ANYTHING to fuck with us, we will reduce your country to a glass hole in the earth. Our message: The rich and corporations are FUCKING YOU. Billionaires (like Elon Musk) have been controlling this country for decades at the expense of working Americans. That stops now. The United States is not going to be owned by a cadre of billionaires and run solely for their benefit. The United States is going to see to it that the American people are compensated by these billionaires and corporations for the vast riches they have obtained because of your hard work. They are going to pay their fair share of taxes going forward and middle class and poor Americans will keep more of their money in their wallets. Every bad thing that you have experienced is because of the rich and corporations. Now, together, we will make them pay. The Democratic Party is the party of FREEDOM. Freedom to marry who you want, freedom over your own body and healthcare, worship how you want, smoke the marijuana you want, and on and on and on. Republicans are the anti-freedom party. They want to pass more and more laws to restrict what the American people can do - abortion bans, anti-gay marriage, restrictive drug policies. Why would Americans choose less freedom? Other: Fund the ever-loving fuck out of NASA and disguise it as military spending. We can send up military satellites and test space-age weapons or whatever so that most of the funding comes out of the military budget. Jump start a program (like Apollo and the space shuttle) that allows the U.S. to send missions to the space station, the moon and to Mars. Take back space travel from private corporations (like Elon Musk's Space-X). Just like the moon landings in the late 60's and early 70's gave great national pride and a sense of togetherness to our country, the space program will do so again. It will also have the added benefit of cutting the military budget without anyone knowing and creating all sorts of new science and engineering advances, all while creating a shit ton of good jobs.

Now the Democrats are the fascists? The difference is in Trump's case there were actual, you know, crimes.

You forgot misogynistic.

The problem is that Beau Biden died and Joe didn't run in 2016.

You and your facts. Hmph.

I don't know what political strategy would make a difference other than become more like the Republicans. Abandon women, minorities, working people, pro-choice, immigrants, etc.? At what point do you politically strategize yourself into becoming what it was you were fighting in the first place?

My read on it is that more GA Trumptards identified as independents out of shame.

That site gave me epilepsy.

Yeah. The scary part for me is that some actual smart, charismatic politician is going to realize they can win a national election with a fascist platform if they just don't have all of Trump's baggage and shitty presentation. Trump is a clown; he's a cartoon version of a fascist. We have to hope we're not in store for the real thing when this election is over.