Ojo Rojo

You can be a non-idiot and still fuck up an answer to a question - especially one that is confusing and very sensitive. It's not binary.

I don't understand how that can happen either. He should have been better prepared to answer questions about Zach Smith. One possibility is that he would be potentially throwing his superiors under the bus. He claimed that he followed protocol, which was to escalate the issue up the chain of command. Most likely that means that he told Gene Smith, the AD, or someone else with authority about the situation and they approved the hiring and retention of Zach Smith.

Not at all. I agree with you 100%. I don't know why he didn't just come clean about the whole thing in the first place.

Does it really matter the number of times? The point is that he wasn't asked a clear and specific question "Did you know" over and over and therefore lied over and over. That's what the other poster was saying and it's just not true. And you are defending that.

How do you not get that he could have known and just given a bad answer?

I never suggested it was. It is one reporter putting out a story where the hidden headline is "Urban Meyer is a Wife-Beater Apologist." That's what reporters do these days. To my amazement many of you have bought it.

Your hyperbolic description of what you assume (incorrectly) to be my position notwithstanding, a lie requires intent. Based on the actual words he spoke, the context, the follow up and everything else, I don't think he had the intent to lie about the fact that he knew of the 2015 incident before the night before the press conference. Reasonable people can disagree about whether he had that intent or not. What I'm saying is that I find it hard to believe that a guy of Urban Meyer's stature would intentionally lie about something that was so easily provable. Maybe he did and I'm giving him too much credit. I think he just fucked it up in the moment because he was not well-prepared.

See, this is just the kind of false narrative that has been put out by the press. I actually went back and watched most of the interview. I didn't count how many times he was asked about Zach Smith, but it was 4-5 in the first half of the interview. He was not asked, "Did you know about the 2015 incident?" and he answered "No." It's not that simple. Even his answer to the first question that created the whole mess - he said that the 2009 incident, according to the information he received, did not happen the way it was reported. He seemed to say that he only got a text about the 2015 incident for the first time the night before the press conference (this is the part that turns out was not true b/c he knew before that) and that it was also "nothing," which I took to mean that it wasn't a clear cut situation of Zach Smith beat his wife. And his comment about "who makes up a story like that," which was a jab at the reporter, I took to mean that the reporter said that there was a clear-cut instance of domestic abuse when it was not clear cut at all. Not that the reporter made up the fact that there was a report of an incident in 2015.

I have never said he didn't know. He knew. That is very clear. He screwed up during the press conference and gave an incorrect answer, which doesn't make any sense because he knew there was no way he could get away with lying about knowing. He had just fired the guy over it, for Pete's sake. He should have been prepared to answer questions about it. He wasn't. It's easy to put big labels on things and ignore details and march with torches and pitchforks. This is just a big false equivalence deal, and I'm just tired of it happening all the time.

Exactly.

I read that the Meyers were involved in the Smiths' counseling and it appeared they were pretty involved with them and the situation and trying to help them. Smith was with Urban for a long time so I would think they had a fairly deep relationship. You have the Earle Bruce connection. Meyer is not an idiot. He knew what the PR implications were of leaving Smith on his staff in the face of these domestic violence issues. He stuck his neck out for the guy. We'll find out more about why he did it, but he might have thought the allegations were not as serious as they are being taken by the public or he though Smith was worth the risk either as a coach or a person or both.

That's a fair point. I don't know that it comes from a God complex necessarily. I don't like being questioned or called on the carpet either. No one does. Still, yes, he did make it worse.

Got nothing to do with the domestic violence situation, for one. And the conspiracy theory stuff - no way. The judge happened to have a tOSU degree. Lots of judges in Ohio do. Is that why Smith got the result he did?

It was both. But I think it was more of a mistake than a lie because he just fired the guy and he's not stupid enough to think that all of the truth was going to come out. But even if it was a lie I just don't think it's as huge of a crime as most people are making it out to be.

Not more leeway; paying a much heavier price and with a lot of collateral damage.

Was the coach ever convicted of a domestic violence crime? Was he ever even formally charged? It does appear he put his hands on his wife, which is bad, I agree wholeheartedly with that. But I also believe in forgiveness and reconciliation and second chances. If that's what Urban was doing in his best judgment then I don't fault him for that.

I disagree. This is a guy who is probably the second best head football coach of this generation making millions of dollars a year. He has an entire staff of people and an entire program and fan base relying on him who would be hurt if he was terminated. All because of a press conference gaffe? You have to be perfect in this world or you pay the ultimate price? I'm sorry, I just don't think that's the way it should be.

A wrong answer at a press conference.

Here's my worthless take: Meyer wasn't properly prepared for the press conference and he made a mistake by lying. He appeared to be genuinely caught off guard by the question, but he shouldn't have been. This goes to he lack of preparation. That said, I consider the infraction - getting an answer wrong in a press conference - minor. The mob mentality wants to pin the guy as favoring his wife-beating assistant coach over condemning domestic violence, but that's not what this is. There's too much mob-mentality BS going on today. I'd like to see the tide turn on that and maybe this will be the case. If he gets fired over this I think it will be a case of tOSU catering to the mob mentality and making a PR move. The punishment will far outweigh the crime. A lot of people will be hurt by it, including the university and everyone associated with it; a lot of innocent people.

Shit, dude. Sorry. I replaced the post because it's a volatile topic and certain people (like my FIL) would get very hurt if they ever saw it. The tl;dr version - my wife and her mother claim medical knowledge and do a bunch of stupid shit like cancer claims and veganism.

We were out of town four days including the weekend. My parents were coming to our city and asked if they could stay at our house while we were gone. We said yes and left them a key in a hidden place. Since we were going to be gone we also had a pet sitter who we also told about the key. Wife informs pet sitter about my parents staying at the house. I inform my parents of pet sitter. My parents arrive to our house late at night after their event. No key. Wife failed to tell pet sitter to leave the key in the hiding spot for my parents.

Can we get Chad Briscoe to translate?

Is your neighbor someone's wife? That vaccination shit is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard.

What if he was fat?

It's different because he also works in a "we" space. So most of his life is under this "we" corporate umbrella where everything is provided for you, for a price.