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I don't know if they've ever directly addressed it, but I think this actually is the reason. Thinking about the timeline of the show... Kendall just turned 40, and assume Shiv and Roman are supposed to be a few years younger, which means that Logan was initially with their mother at least 40 years ago, if not a few years prior; so that would probably have put Conner in his late teens or early 20s (at the oldest) when Logan and his mother split up... (assuming that Conner is supposed to be in his early 60s in the show...Alan Ruck is 66 IRL). We know that Logan was with Kendall/Roman/Shiv's mother until Shiv was 14 (?)...(it was mentioned last season, can't recall exactly)... so Logan was likely completely focused on his "new" family essentially for the entirety of Conner's 20s and maybe into his early 30s. So the likely situation is that Logan basically sent him and his mother on their merry way with a big payoff and either Conner never had any interest in joining the business or Logan had no interest in "inviting him" since he was focused on his "new" family at the point in Conner's life when he would have otherwise joined the business. I think the idea was that, knowing Menkan's fascist tendencies, he would basically declare himself the winner as soon as a reputable network declared the win, which is exactly what he did. Does that mean he DID win or was the TRUE winner? Indeterminate. But being the good fascist, he was certainly going to declare himself the winner and imperil democracy, as Shiv predicted he would. And I think the point was to show that, YES, just a few people sitting in a room making calls CAN "decide" these things.

Yes. Was also a master class in showing how we build narratives about ourselves in our mind and fully believe them, whether or not they are really true and consistent with the choices we’ve made. For example, Tom’s complaint to Shiv about how she was going to “let him go to jail.” Tom spent that entire season when it looked like he was going to jail moping around it and then being resentful to Shiv because she wasn’t giving him enough sympathy about it. But then as Shiv pointed out in the argument, it was HIS idea. He offered himself up to Logan to curry favor but then as time went on he convinced himself that he was the victim and believed that narrative about himself. In a similar fashion, Shiv has convinced herself that she is somehow being wronged by the Tom/Greg “Disgusting brother” dynamic… continually making snide comments about him banging models or whatever. Of course, her choice to basically tell Tom she wanted an open marriage on their wedding night set their whole marriage on the trajectory where it ended up.

Exactly this. It’s the volume of the purge that was stupid, not to mention the timing of doing it after spring ball. He should have focused on a small number of high-impact positions to purge, and he damn well needed to be sure he had better options lined up and ready to jump from the portal. That way he could have benefited from an influx of better talent at key positions AND the development and program-consistency of the group of players who he was unlikely to find material improvements this late in the portal. Then he could have made another round of purges following next season when he had a better idea on what some of the returning players could do after another year of development under his staff. Instead all he’s doing is likely brining in a large number of new players who are not materially better than the ones he let go (on the whole). Thus, all he did was boot out institutional knowledge and make his coaching job even harder next fall when he’s trying to familiarize 1/4 or more of the roster on the playbooks, schemes, etc., and get them to gel as a team.

Try 10-2 my friend. The power of Alan Bowman compels you.

Hell yes. The 80s look is my absolute favorite - I wish we'd go back to those full time. But I'm an old, so they don't care what I think. But I'm glad we're basically incorporating a lot of elements from that look into the rotation full time... and hopefully firing the stupid gray uniforms into the sun.

He's an OSU alum. In addition to being devilishly handsome, we can be sneaky spicy.

Yeah and one thing about Succession is that they rarely (if ever) follow and "TV tropes." Mattson spreading around disinformation as some sort of 4D chess move would be an obvious "TV trope" move. But he's just as much of a bullshit artist as the three primary siblings. Logan's accurate assessment of his kids not being "serious people" could be applied to Mattson, too. That's why I'm still kind of leaning toward the "winner", for lack of a better term, to be Gerri, Frank and Karl. They've been in the trenches for decades. Even when it seems they may be on the outs, they know how to handle themselves and keep going. They ARE the "serious people" in the room (Karl's proclivities for hookers and blow aside) No, none of them are likely taking the company over, but they are likely the only ones getting what they want at the end of the day (to stay in the game and keep going), which is what makes them the "winners." None of the three primary siblings are getting what they want at the end of the day. I'd bet the farm on that. Roman has already lost the ability to get what he wants (his Dad's love), which is why he's been slowly melting down over the past few episodes. I expect that will continue and get worse. The other interesting wild card is Conner. He will probably end up a "winner" too because all he really wants at the end of the day is for Willa to love him. By choosing her over Menken's "deal", he probably assured himself of a "win" there.

Yeah really no sex either. About the closest we've seen is Tom and Shiv starting to make out a few times or Roman jerking off, lol.

Never mind.

I think there's always some luck involved, but I think the very idea that he built the Royco/Waystar empire is pretty much the evidence that he's astute/the real deal and yes, ruthless as fuck. We saw him consistently outmaneuver others and retain his power though the whole show... e.g. as Tom said "I've never seen Logan get fucked." I think the showrunners' premise is that all of the people at this level are all awful in their own ways. We've spent the most time with the Roys, but basically all of the super rich/powerful people have been terrible in their own ways, from uber-douche finance bro Stewie to the Pierces and their over-the-top, thinly veiled passive aggressive "old money" awfulness to Mattson and his tech-bro douche/self-described "genius"/overconfidence. Point being, I'm not sure any of them will really "win" given that they are pretty roundly awful. Corporate machinations will happen, of course, but at the end of the day I think all of the major players will more-or-less "lose." The hilarious thing is that Gerri, Frank and Karl are probably the only characters on the show that will be left standing as any kind of a "winners" because they won't have to be dealing with the Roys any more.

Fuck yeah. The video was shot inside Cain's by Sterlin Harjo. Oklahoma artists unite!!

Fucking all of this. The idea that there are 20-25 players in the portal at this point that are materially better than the players he ran off is laughably hilarious. And even if he can find 20-25 halfway decent players, the fact that he did this AFTER spring ball and they will only have a handful of weeks in the fall to integrate all of these new players into something approaching a coherent team is also hilarious. They may very well go 1-11 again and then what? Purge the roster again and start over? What a fucking moron.

He’s very European…

Yeah it’s been a few years, but IIRC, they also filmed some additional new scenes to help the “Remix” flow better. It’s not as good as seasons 1-3 (not much of anything is..), but the Remix is a definite improvement over the original version. Just goes to show you how proper editing can really improve a show.

I didn't see Glass Onion so I'm not following.

Yes but also remember that Mattson is a pretty clear parody of Elon Musk. People who fancy themselves as geniuses are often blindsided when circumstances change and its proven they clearly are not. So it's very possible Mattson isn't playing the 4D chess that he thinks he is.

Yes. She also reminds me so much (look, temperament, etc.) of many smoking hot and smart high-level Corporate Communications/PR women I knew/know from years ago when I was in that line of work. They nailed the casting perfectly. TL;DR: super hot, would bang

Yep. That was “Once Brothers” that I mentioned. It was excellent.

Yeah when this topic comes up I always have to caveat my favorite “serious” 30 for 30 vs. my favorite “fun” 30 for 30. I mean, it’s kind of hard to directly compared “The Two Escobars” or “Hillsborough” to “The U” LOL. My favorite “fun” ones are probably Winning Time: Reggie Miller vs. the NY Knicks and Bo Knows. My favorite “serious” ones are “Once Brothers” (the heritage on my Mom’s side of the family is Croatian) and “The Two Escobars.”

I don't think they were supposed to "old" like him, just adults. The close shot of the one opening his eyes looked like a "de-aged" Gus to me, so I was just assuming they were supposed to be the equivalent of their mid-20s or so? He's been working on this project in secret for several years so maybe "age acceleration" has advanced since the original Clone army was created some 40ish years prior?

No. That's what makes it a humorous situation...

Yeah the fact that EVERYONE is predicting that she’s the “spy” makes me think she’s probably not. I saw an interesting theory on Reddit that the other “spies” are Hux’s dad and the old guy with the mustache (can’t recall his name - he’s Thrawn’s right-hand man) on the “shadow council”… and that they are spies for Thrawn, who is testing the loyalty of the others on the council… e.g. they are the only two who acted like they weren’t on board with Gus’s “We need new leadership and forget about Thrawn” stance.

Exactly. There’s a big difference between small private schools in a random big metro area and large public state universities. That’s why pretty much every large public state university is already in a P5 conference, regardless if they are traditional blue bloods or not, and why schools like Rice and SMU are always swinging in the wind during realignment.

LOL Karl is always awesome but has been especially good this season. "I need a stiffiner..." "We had a rapport..."

Yeah when I think of the all-time great moments in that series they definitely include all of those you named, plus definitely the ending of "Jedi Night."