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22 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:
Speaking of crying, how’d you like to be the one assigned to tell Putin his Black Sea Flagship named after Russia’s capital was sunk?
"Comrade! There has been an incident aboard the naval vessel Moskva, but our brave sailors are getting the issue under control."
And tell him nothing else.
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13 minutes ago, crash_davis said:
i read weeks ago that Russia only had money for 2 weeks of this war. where are those experts now?
well one way to save dough is to just not pay the troops (it's from Daily Beast so take with a grain of salt)
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Clarification on those choppers.
So they were, then weren't, then Zelensky asked to add them back in.
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10 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:This is also why we need to make sure this is a good call. The invasion was obviously not justified, but it was easily predicted by many who stated Russia will see talks of Ukraine joining NATO or being aligned with the West an act of aggression that would precipitate a reaction.
Not saying the move is a bad one, but it is such a major move that needs to be analyzed from every possible angle. It creates a massive border of 1,600+ miles with Russia & NATO countries. The significant northern flank as many have stated. There is risk here. Russia is stating publicly that this expansion is "untenable" for them. What does that mean? You have Russia saying the "peace" was always about mutual deterrence with the West, and when "one side" gains the upper hand, and nukes are on the table (and they are), that the threat to the entire architecture is in play and desperate measures WILL be taken. This is an obvious escalation move. Is it the right one?
Russia made the decision for Finland/NATO with the invasion of Ukraine IMHO. They lied their asses off on their real intentions and invaded anyway. They proved that they cannot be trusted and are forcing everyone's hand.
We are WELL PAST the point of asking "what will Russia do?" because they have shown that they will be aggressors no matter what.
That's what Finland now believes so they are buddying up with the biggest bully on the block.
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So we should all understand how big of a deterrent Finland joining NATO is to Russia. Like I pointed out above, they are only 100 miles from St Petersburg.
This isn't just about protecting Finland - it also is a massive deterrent to Russia even CONTEMPLATING an attack on the Baltics or Poland. Because if Russia were to do that then St Petersburg would be sacked by NATO within a day.
This is Russia's worst nightmare from a strategic perspective. They absolutely have to place defenses along that border and drop any illusions of taking any additional territory (assuming they actually end up with anything additional after they are done getting their asses beat in Ukraine.)
In the immediate future we're worried about what Russia might do, but is there any way Putin survives this now? He's literally put Russia in the most vulnerable position possible.
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The Finnish border is only about 100 miles from St Petersburg.
Finland joining NATO is a diplomatic and strategic nightmare for Russia.
Great job there Vald.
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5 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:
Concerning NATO/US Vehicles, we are not crossing into the Ukraine from what I have seen, but taking the equipment close to the border. So to attack would be an attack on a NATO nation. Anyone else see anything different?
Even if NATO vehicles are crossing into Ukraine they can be targeted without trigging Article 5 as they are in Ukraine.
If they blow them up in Poland or a member state then it will.
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9 minutes ago, Chad Fuck said:
Can someone clue me in on why Finland first? Is it so they're a physical barrier should Russia try something so outrageous as to try and cross Finland to get to Sweden?
Pretty much:
https://www.politico.eu/article/sweden-nato-wins-lottery-finland-membership-russia-ukraine/
QuoteIndeed, Sweden’s long-governing Social Democrats have historically used Finland as a convenient shield on NATO matters. They could pledge that if Finland decided to join the alliance, Sweden would, of course, give the matter the utmost consideration, safe in knowing that such a change across the border was unlikely to take place. By referring to the Finns, they could avoid an issue that would cause internal division in the party and aggravate Russia.
Finland’s reversal on NATO membership is nothing short of extraordinary. So extraordinary, in fact, that Sweden’s government is struggling to comprehend it. But it has also presented Sweden with the most incredible opportunity in terms of its potential accession to NATO.
Taking the lead on the matter, Finland is now energetically stepping forward, sparing Sweden the trouble of having to break the ice on NATO matters. It’s even absorbing the much-feared Russian blow that has so far included not just threats but cyberattacks against its foreign and defense ministries. Russia is, of course, doing its part by demonstrating to all and sundry that it’s not a country with which one can expect good-faith relations. As Marin observed this month, Russia is not the neighbor “we thought it was.”
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17 minutes ago, AUS-97HORN said:
I admit to having had some alcohol tonight watching the horns baseball game.
that being said, what the fuck am I looking at and why is it a FFS post?
I saw something about the Norks but otherwise I guess I am missing this
it's a bunch of blown up Russian shit that Oryx has to now catalog.
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Vlad mad.
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1 minute ago, Blotto said:
You and I must not be following the same republican party. Once Cheeto Benito starts adorning his maga hats with a hammer and sickle, the rest of the party will lineup behind him.
Not really:
I get it but they like Trump because he did what they wanted - not the other way around.
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2 hours ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:
1. could it be more obvious that she's being handled by an FSB officer?
2. Republicans are generally more hawkish than Democrats, so this isn't a position she's going to be able to hold for long if she wants to keep her job IMHO.
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Wrong thread
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if you don't have futureman on ignore then it's your own fault eerybody.
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1 minute ago, BabaYaga said:
In what way? It's been written into Russian battlefield doctrine for decades that nukes are to be used as a tactical option. They might not send nukes in NATO countries, but if there is an outside incursion directly against their forces, their tactics are written that nukes are to be used. That means on Ukrainian soil. Against Ukrainian populated areas.
NATO has said if they use nukes in any fashion that it will intervene.
Also, if any of that fallout goes over a NATO country it can trigger Article 5.
It's not so much of Russia backing off as it was NATO serving notice.
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I don't even know what to think anymore about Russia's military capabilities (or lack thereof).
They seem to be only good at beating up on unarmed civilian targets.
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Ukraine War
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Well this is a switch:
Trump joins Biden in calling Russia’s war on Ukraine ‘genocide’