Snake Diggity

....

FUCK! Gilbert and Clifford. Mets better be eating a shitload of JV's salary. Still, it's a significant move so I don't have a huge problem giving up good prospects but Clifford is a really underrated one.

Baseball Prospectus mid-season update has Houston with 5 of the top 150 prospects (Gilbert, Dezenzo, Clifford, Arrighetti, Baez), with Gilbert/Dezenzo/Clifford all in the top 80. I'm lower on Arrighetti but also think very highly of Barber and Loperfido. Houston's farm is nowhere near as barren as people are saying.

Might not be a bad idea to mildly overpay for a Rich Hill type right now so they can just wait out this Verlander situation.

Mets wanting Brown and Gilbert came from a poster on another site with a proven track record of having inside info on shit like that. Astros offering Gilbert is my own inference based on internet rumors and common sense.

Yes it's pretty stupid. The emergence of France and the fact that they should have Garcia back next season does make it feasible to trade a SP but trading Brown has big time long term implications and Verlander is over 40 and has extensive injury history, not to mention has not been that great in the playoffs. I do think 2023 Verlander is better than 2023 Brown but no way I make that swap even if NY eats ALL of JV's salary. Now if the Mets want to throw in Raley and Quintana and McNeil and eat all the money, then maybe I entertain the idea of giving them Brown and Gilbert, hoping the ring in 2023 is worth is and the development team can make it up in the long term.

Mets want both Drew Gilbert and Hunter Brown. Astros have offered Gilbert (and maybe another lesser prospect). I would be ok with Houston trading Gilbert if the Mets eat quite a bit of JV's salary, but giving up both Brown and Gilbert is a non-starter for just Verlander.

I wouldn’t say 200k posts on surly is “regulating your interest levels” but wtf would I know, I’m an autistic lawyer.

Dude you are one negative mf. Such a beating. How can this be enjoyable for you.

100k posts on fucking surly dude I think you have the time.

Obviously depends on price, but if Verlander, Cease, Eduardo Rodriguez, Snell, Stroman, and Logan Gilbert are not reasonably obtainable, Michael Kopech and Mitch Keller would be 2 guys I hope Houston checks in on, as I think they fit the mold of the type of pitcher Houston can help unlock another level up. Otherwise, they should focus on multiyear difference-making relievers like Barlow, Sewald, Bednar, Carlos Hernandez, Raley, Halsley, Gallegos, Bummer, and Santos. In the playoffs, 2 elite RP are nearly as valuable as one elite SP.

That’s an amazing deal for the Rangers considering what the Astros just gave up for a fringey RP.

Verlander and Raley would be the perfect additions to this roster. I am prepared to see 3-4 really good prospects go out. Gilbert and Clifford would be the 2 I would expect to headline and if NY is laying down significant money on JV’s contract then I’m ok with it.

I wonder if JV is presenting different conditions for the teams trying to trade for him: Astros: “I’m good, maybe gimme a $50k trade bonus.” Dodgers: “My vesting option becomes a player option.” Cincy: “My vesting option becomes a player option and I get a $40M 4th year player option added.”

I didn’t use a pejorative, fuck stick. I described one of their primary tasks. The fact that you turned it into a pejorative is on you. I fully understand the reality that line-level fast food workers are not currently paid enough for that job to be sufficient for anything other than “a ladder into something higher” or a “stop-gap”. My contention is that reality is not right nor sustainable. It’s really sad this is so contentious; basically all I’m saying is that if we aren’t going to actually guarantee a true living wage that social security should be funded well enough such that lifetime minimum wage (or near-minimum wage) workers don’t retire into poverty. Jesus. You also took my $40/hr electrician anecdote out of context. My point in that was just illustrating that there are 2 types of people who lack retirement savings: those that make enough money, but aren’t financial literate enough to save, and those that simply don’t make enough. Fwiw, the only electrician I have ever spoken salary with makes $40/hr working in a small town (he’s in his mid 30s).

My posts about restaurant workers being skilled and deserving a living wage got negged consecutively by @PilotsError. I go looking at his recent posting history, and one of his most recent posts is him whining and posting pics about what a shitty job someone did putting together his Whataburger and taquito that he was about to use his chubby fucking fingers to stuff into his fat fucking face. Something about that made me lmfao. Maybe if those jobs paid better he might get a decent hamburger. Or maybe those skilled workers have a radar and know when to fuck up some piece of shits order. I shudder to think about how much spit some of you guys have eaten with the way you view/treat restaurant workers.

Wtf are you talking about. Rogers has 2.0 fwar, Julks has 0.5.

“Can’t hit”, somehow clubbed 25 HR last season. I bet you didn’t think shit of Jake Rogers. He’s been the 9th most valuable catcher in the league this season. He was not as highly thought-of when he was traded as Lee is now. I am a huge prospect dork but I don’t mind at all cashing them in for good big leaguers. But giving up good prospects for mediocre players is stupid, and that’s what this trade looks like to me.

“Who gives a fuck about some Cuban teenager with bad knees? We needed bullpen help to win it all and Fields has really good stuff.” -Dodgers fans in 2016

Keeping the window open is how you win a WS. Overpaying at the deadline in a historic seller’s market is how you end up having to tear it all down.

I totally disagree. Making the playoffs year after year after year is how you win rings. Pushing all your chips in on a single season is how you doom yourself to a rebuild. Also, if you think Kendall Graveman has any meaningful odds of being the difference in the World Series (over Seth Martinez or Montero or whoever’s roster spot he ends up taking), I have some bad news for ya.

Everybody is in go-for-it mode until somebody copies the Yordan-Fields trade.

That’s my point; Houston has not made very many trades like this. In fact I can’t think of a time they traded away one of their 5-10 best prospects for a replacement level player on a free agent level salary. If this is the only move they make like this it’s probably no big deal. I just don’t want to see 2-3 more moves where they give up significant prospect capital for players with almost no actual surplus value because the shit adds up.

Who knows, but I can say that Lee is the best prospect Houston has traded since the Greinke trade.

Honestly based on the prices I have seen, my move would be call up Gilbert or Loperfido to replace Julks/Meyers in the everyday lineup and call up Arrighetti to the rotation to replace Bielak and give a 6 man rotation to rest Framber/Brown/Javier for the playoffs. Fuck trading in this heavy of a seller’s market. Teams are mortgaging their futures.