I have really have enjoyed reading this thread. I have been introduced to some new thinking or ideas concerning ancient religious concepts applied to today’s church. From time to time It is nice to see that others, like me, have chosen to give up bigoted, self-indulgent teachings from a childhood church denomination. I love Surly because in our discussion you get everything from the high brow to the down and dirty. Just the way it should be!
After all I have read here concerning the current Methodist possible split, it just reinforces again one of my great disappointments of religion as we see it in real life...the hinderance or outright failure by the “Church” to establish congregations functioning according to the prayer of Jesus for his disciples. He prayed for them to practice and rejoice in unity as He and The Holy Father are unified.
I think we all realize the Methodists are experiencing just another example of the pattern for the church dealing with discord among its members. It started with discord over circumcision, later on to papal authority, Moroni, pacifism, slavery, on and on, and now primarily abortion and LGBTQ. Who knows what controversies are ahead but they will certainly appear.
I’ll just close this longest reply I certainly have written to a Surly thread by giving a quote I just kept thinking about while I was reading. It is by Richard Rohr a progressive (not political) Catholic priest in New Mexico. “The job of religion is to help people act effectively and compassionately from an inner centeredness and connection with God. The need to be right is not love.“