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Damn. I know lawyers are good at bullshiting and making dumb things sound logical, but this is WAY better than I could have imagined. The below is the only part I figured they go after along with trying to understand the enforcement logistics of non compliance: ”They believe that the severity of the penalty to withdraw from the league should be considered “unreasonable restraints of trade” or unenforceable.” But if there is any truth to the rest (and discovery here should be fun, if it’s ever publicly released) and the media rights really don’t go past 2027, that may be FSU’s exit timeline…along with Clemson, Miami, UNC, UVA and others which would fuck the ACC hard. Who would sign a GOR past their TV contract when you literally have no idea what value you would be getting in return? If true, and the ACC lied to pull a fast one on them then that’s huge. If it all starts breaking apart, and you’re Pitt or Louisville, why hang around and wait and see when you could just join the Big 12? For those that may have some fringe possibilities for getting into the SEC/B1G (VT, GT, NCSU, Duke) I could see waiting but you don’t want to be the last semi-serious fb school left in a zombie of a conference with Wake, Syracuse, BC, Cal, Stanford, and SMU where you’re best adds are UConn and the American Athletic Conference schools not good enough to get invited to the Big 12 (Temple, Tulane, Memphis, USF, East Carolina, Rice).

Wow, yes if anyone has a subscription please post that here. That would be huge and would likely be the end of the conference.

Here’s another fun one… So being extremely nice here, but if you average in unrated games on the SECN, LHN, Peacock, etc as 1 million viewers (when it’s likely less than half that) Alabama 6.17M (13 games) Ohio State 5.63M (12) Michigan 5.25M (13) Georgia 5.14M (13) Colorado 4.75M (12) Texas 4M (13) Florida State 3.9M (13) Oregon 3.63M (13) Notre Dame 3.62M (12) Tennessee 3.08M (12) So Texas was more realistically 6th, if you discount the Prime lovefest to start the season, they were only behind the 4 playoff candidates in the Big Ten and SEC and they did this while playing a Big 12 schedule many times in direct competition of those teams. It’s fair to say Texas in the viewership in the Big 12 is worth less than tOSU/UM/Bama/UGA, but it’s dumb to not recognize that those numbers are deflated due to who we play in conference. I full expect with a similar season next year that we’ll be up in that top group averaging 5M. As usual aggy is delusional to use these stats as any type of argument against Texas.

That’s complicated. They could. ESPN has a deal with the ACC for FSU’s right under the GOR. But if ESPN lowers the payout for the ACC because FSU is gone and then turns around and makes this deal then the ACC would argue that they are complicit and should not be able to decrease their payouts or that FSU’s checks from ESPN should be sent to the ACC since they own the rights… Not impossible, but not clean either. Something like this could be a bridge to a settlement where ESPN drops the ACC’s cut by only a small share and the ACC agrees that FSU has control of their rights. Still I don’t think ESPN wants to enable a scenario where they go through all of this just for FSU to end up on FOX.

It’s hard to enforce future action/compliance on a state entity. Very different than enforcing on a private entity like Miami. The NC enforcement agencies have no jurisdiction to do anything against FSU so it’ll have to go to the federal level which historically isn’t thrilled about getting involved in petty shit like this between states. They won’t be able to enforce on FSU, I’m very confident of that, however getting their future rights distributed on any major network is another story, which is why they are going through this whole charade. FOX won’t touch them without a court confirmation and ESPN won’t either as they’d be diluting their own product. Maybe they get an small direct to consumer PPV for their home schedule as an independent but even that is unlikely.

Look mother fuckers, I’m okay with people saying Florida State is a helmet school…but they 100% are NOT a blueblood.

Okay I’ll be that guy (and I get this was probably just written with generic PR speak) but…if these schools truly had “millions of fans” that watched and supported their teams they wouldn’t be in the situation they are in currently. They have the second and third SMALLEST football stadiums in the P5 (only beating out lowly Wake Forest). Its fashionable now to rally behind the P2 and blame mean old college football for their unjust plight, but in a decade when UW/WSU and UO/OSU nationally means the same as CU/CSU nobody will care because their “millions of fans” will have glommed onto their state’s flagship school playing in the Big Ten and these 2 will look at lowering their stadium capacity even more with only MWC teams coming to town.

I agree but competitive “on the field” doesn’t always win out. Plenty of weaker companies have acquired stronger competitors due public perception or back room wheeling and dealing. Ultimately, if the Big Ten has a conference of 24-30 teams (FSU, Clem, Mia, GT, UNC, UVA, Stan, Cal, ND, Kansas, Duke, etc) that is considered elite college football/athletics in general, whether rightly or wrongly, there will be pressure on the SEC to join them and not the other way around. Also while I know you went to the start of the BCS, back up that year to 97 and Nebraska and Michigan both add a title which gets them to 10 titles by 7 different teams. Still behind the SEC because of Alabama and all but most would be.

Right now the SEC and Big Ten are similar enough to each other. If the Big Ten gets FSU, Clemson, Miami, and ND then the balance of power will shift to the North…not by a ton, but they would have the edge. FSU/Clemson is THE protection play. Keep the eyeballs on your product and off your opponents. FSU/Clemson vs USC/Michigan/Oregon/Ohio St etc would be really bad for the SEC. These two teams, like Texas and OU have been a top watch nationally DESPITE playing a weak conference slate. Putting them in either of the power 2, would put their viewership numbers on steroids. The SEC without FSU would be their first step towards becoming the AFL to the Big Ten’s NFL. Dont get me wrong Texas, OU, Bama, LSU, Florida, Georgia will be fine either way, but if you’re Mississippi State or Vandy, you should be pushing the SEC to pull out all the stops and get FSU/Clemson into the SEC asap. If the Big Ten grabs the best remaining then they’ll simply outnumber the SEC 2 to 1 and will be able to direct the future of elite college football to their liking.

Arkansas is 28, MississippiState with a new coach is 35, and Vandy comes in at a semi respectable 40 (which for reference, would make them #4 in the Big12, #8 in the ACC, and #14 in the Big Ten) The Big Ten is who you would expect (tOSU, UO, USC, UM, Pedo) along with Nebraska and Wisconsin and NOT Washington (coming in at 36). ACC is who you’d expect (Mia, FSU, Clem) with UNC and NCSU coming in at 26/27. Big 12 is just Tech who is being propped up by their single legacy 5 star. ND also is in the top 25 as usual. To tie this back to realignment. I firmly believe FSU/Clemson will be at least offered a spot in the SEC when the time comes. You cannot have two teams in the middle of your recruiting hotbed, that have a history of attracting elite talent, going to your only true competitor. #3 Miami will be invited to join the Big Ten and I think #30 Stanford and #34 Georgia Tech will also eventually be pulled in along with #10 Notre Dame in a decade or so. Markets and recruiting areas. That would get them to 22, and they’d battle for UNC/UVA with the SEC for those last 2 spots. If they miss on those flagships, do they go after #27 NCSU and #42 VT or do they look at Arizona State and a school like Colorado as a bridge?

Back 2 Back!!! fucking Awesome ladies. So proud of this team. Enjoy the feeling…and then do it again Back 2 Back 2 Back!!!

You likely die of listeria before you got round enough to look like Elko.

2 new SEC schools and 4 new Big Ten schools make up 6 of the toughest 13 schedules along with… 3 weaker SEC schools, 2 weaker Big Ten schools, plus Florida and Georgia Tech.

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Fuck yes ladies! Back 2 fucking back!

ADP sucks so horribly bad…but Garza is worse.

Funny enough, I’ve thought the same thing, while it’s not perfect I think stadium size does a pretty good job separating the top 1/3 of the P5 (1/5 of the FBS). While not perfect, it does generally correlate to fan support. FBS stadiums of team with 70K+: Michigan, Penn St, Ohio St, aggy, LSU, Tennessee, Texas, Alabama, Georgia, UCLA***(not on campus and never full), Florida, Auburn, Oklahoma, Nebraska, Clemson, Florida St, Notre Dame, South Carolina, USC, Arkansas, Wisconsin, Michigan St, Washington, and Iowa* (technically at 69k but record attendance is 70k). Honorable mentions: Virginia Tech and Ole Miss at 66k Oregon at 60k A few towards the bottom that could be dropped down but despite the methodology the results are not horrible if they were to make a top tier football division.

New Orleans might just leave the homeless alone this year to make the universities from Austin and Seattle feel at home.

Back 2 Back mother fuckers! Let’s go!

The line is drawn either where they settle or where the court decides. The Titans own the old Oilers brand. They send a cease and desist to UH. UH can ask for clarification on where the Titans would be satisfied that they are no longer threatening their trademark/brand. If the Titans say remove the stripes and UH agrees then that is the line. If the Titans try and claim that ANY use of those colors is unacceptable to them then UH can ignore the cease and desist and make the Titans take them to court to legally determine where the line is. As I stated before, the color combinations is likely not something that would be enforceable but the colors and the stripes is likely a bridge too far.

I’m not too sure about that…it can always be worse

Finally, fucking great win ladies.

This shit is bananas